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Post #106  Postby nedhoey » June 23rd 2009, 12:54pm

Chris S p i k e s wrote: I've ordered some from them in the past and things have been hit and miss (a criticism by itself). Better luck with Italian wines and Champagne. Not good with obscure French wines. I would avoid "novelty" wines unless you just order 1 or 2 bottles out of curiosity and have money to burn.
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There is definitely a learning curve on when and what to buy. I'm probably satisfied with 2/3 to 3/4 of what I've gotten.
Pricing is often very competitive, wines have always arrived in excellent condition, slow billing can disrupt my budgeting,
service sometimes requires persistence, occasionally delivery times disappoint.

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Post #107  Postby Ryan Caughey » June 23rd 2009, 1:23pm

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Andrew Gold wrote:
nedhoey wrote:
I have ordered wines from Garagiste since 2002. In that time I have ordered 700 line items. I have never been informed that
an item is being refunded due to damage. To best of my memory, I've been refunded only twice, both times the source failed to deliver to Garagiste. That record is at the highest success level for pre-arrival sales.

I'm in Santa Cruz California and I see wines arriving from them sporadically from Oct. thru May. Occasionally a particular wine intended for immediate summer consumption will miss the May window. I hate it when that happens. For the most part wines arrive within six months and in fine condition.


I just wish that Garagiste made it clearer when signing up, or even in each offer that the wine's will realistically take 6 or more months to arrive. I signed up only last fall, and the very first offer was for a New Zealand pinot that I had vaguely heard of. Never having tried a down under pinot I bought a few to try out. It's now been nearly a year and the wine still isn't in the country. At this point I have very little interest in the wine, and am just annoyed that money has been tied up the entire time.

For me moving forward, I'm only going to buy wines I have heard, ideally tried, and am planning to want to cellar for a year or more prior to opening the first bottle. Everything else I've ordered from them has been only a moderate deal, if any at all.



Garagiste is like a sacred cow here. I doubt you will get any sympathy from these folks.


Garagiste is great but you have to buy very selectively, looking for things that you really can't find easily elsewhere, or appellations/grapes that are unfamiliar to you. I actually find Garagiste most useful not for cellar wines (with some exceptions, e.g., Galardi) but for interesting daily drinkers in the $8-20 range, where they've had killer Beaujolais, Muscadet, Touraine, Soave, Kabinett, Langhe Nebbiolo, etc etc. For $15, they often have interesting wine, which is more than can be said for most wine at that level. And they have the occasional blockbuster. Lots of losers too but for $10-15 it's not a huge loss. I rarely buy more than 2 bottles of any wine from them unless I know the wine.

I think of Garagiste as a way to explore, rather than a way to build a cellar.
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Post #108  Postby Mo K a n g » June 23rd 2009, 7:45pm

Ryan Caughey wrote:
John Liotta wrote:
Andrew Gold wrote:
nedhoey wrote:
I have ordered wines from Garagiste since 2002. In that time I have ordered 700 line items. I have never been informed that
an item is being refunded due to damage. To best of my memory, I've been refunded only twice, both times the source failed to deliver to Garagiste. That record is at the highest success level for pre-arrival sales.

I'm in Santa Cruz California and I see wines arriving from them sporadically from Oct. thru May. Occasionally a particular wine intended for immediate summer consumption will miss the May window. I hate it when that happens. For the most part wines arrive within six months and in fine condition.


I just wish that Garagiste made it clearer when signing up, or even in each offer that the wine's will realistically take 6 or more months to arrive. I signed up only last fall, and the very first offer was for a New Zealand pinot that I had vaguely heard of. Never having tried a down under pinot I bought a few to try out. It's now been nearly a year and the wine still isn't in the country. At this point I have very little interest in the wine, and am just annoyed that money has been tied up the entire time.

For me moving forward, I'm only going to buy wines I have heard, ideally tried, and am planning to want to cellar for a year or more prior to opening the first bottle. Everything else I've ordered from them has been only a moderate deal, if any at all.



Garagiste is like a sacred cow here. I doubt you will get any sympathy from these folks.


Garagiste is great but you have to buy very selectively, looking for things that you really can't find easily elsewhere, or appellations/grapes that are unfamiliar to you. I actually find Garagiste most useful not for cellar wines (with some exceptions, e.g., Galardi) but for interesting daily drinkers in the $8-20 range, where they've had killer Beaujolais, Muscadet, Touraine, Soave, Kabinett, Langhe Nebbiolo, etc etc. For $15, they often have interesting wine, which is more than can be said for most wine at that level. And they have the occasional blockbuster. Lots of losers too but for $10-15 it's not a huge loss. I rarely buy more than 2 bottles of any wine from them unless I know the wine.

I think of Garagiste as a way to explore, rather than a way to build a cellar.


What a great way to sum it up. I rarely stock up on anything from Garagiste. I don't have time to go to the local wine shop and shoot the breeze with a guy like Dan or Max, and get introduced to new wines or regions. With Garagiste, I can do this with the click of a button. The great majority of wines have been good, some have been great. Almost all have been a learning experience. The prices are usually the lowest around. Heck, I got to experience a perfectly cellared '91 riesling for around $15. I have had $15 bottles of Aussie shiraz that redefine the category for me (e.g. the Schist Rock). They know what they are doing, and ship during appropriate time windows. I do agree that the billing was kind of sporadic and confusing-- but completely accurate.

If you have unrealistically high expectations, anything can be disappointing. If you are filthy rich, you might be disappointed with the service in business class because you are used to First Class. I am definitely a coach kind of guy, so I really enjoy buying wines from Garagiste.
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Post #109  Postby Douglass Smith » June 24th 2009, 4:58am

I must say that I've really appreciated the wines I've gotten from them. Also agreed that their pricing is usually very good, occasionally excellent, and the wines are usually interesting and they are almost always at least decent for the price.

The problems are small but real: it often takes them a long time to actually charge my cc for an order. This has its good side, of course, but it also makes it confusing to figure out what I'm being charged for and when. And yes, it does take them awhile to deliver, particularly to NY. That said, it's not nearly as big an issue for them as for Premier Cru, to take another classic example of lengthy delivery times. The stuff does arrive within a year, and gets delivered in the next window. I can deal with that schedule.

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Post #110  Postby Jim Brennan » June 24th 2009, 1:11pm

Mo K a n g wrote: I have had $15 bottles of Aussie shiraz that redefine the category for me (e.g. the Schist Rock).


Coincidentally enough, today they offered Torzi Matthews 2008 "Schist"...
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Post #111  Postby Mo K a n g » June 30th 2009, 4:07pm

anyone bite on the Vadicava Rosso? I was hooked for three. Galloni's praise, Jon's hyperbole and my own weakness for Italian wines.... please stop me before I buy more!
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Post #112  Postby Mo K a n g » June 30th 2009, 4:30pm

Jim Brennan wrote:
Mo K a n g wrote: I have had $15 bottles of Aussie shiraz that redefine the category for me (e.g. the Schist Rock).


Coincidentally enough, today they offered Torzi Matthews 2008 "Schist"...


Darn, I missed out on this offer and now they are out! This is one of my favorite Aussie shirazes!
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Post #113  Postby John Liotta » June 30th 2009, 4:41pm

Mo K a n g wrote:
Jim Brennan wrote:
Mo K a n g wrote: I have had $15 bottles of Aussie shiraz that redefine the category for me (e.g. the Schist Rock).


Coincidentally enough, today they offered Torzi Matthews 2008 "Schist"...


Darn, I missed out on this offer and now they are out! This is one of my favorite Aussie shirazes!



It is widely available . . . you should have no trouble finding it from someone else if you tried.
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Post #114  Postby Poppy Davis » July 8th 2009, 1:52pm

Latest offer: Water. Tasmanian Water. 750ml of Tasmanian water for $6.99. Discuss.
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Post #115  Postby Roberto Rogness » July 8th 2009, 1:55pm

Well, in their defense, the girl who sells that stuff is VERY cute. But we still laughed her out of here on a rail...
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Post #116  Postby Tyler Rico » July 8th 2009, 1:56pm

they jumped a while ago with all their honey and olive oil crap

last good offer was 04 pegau which was months ago
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Post #117  Postby Richard Jennings » July 8th 2009, 2:21pm

P. Davis wrote:Latest offer: Water. Tasmanian Water. 750ml of Tasmanian water for $6.99. Discuss.


Pretty funny TV series analogy for it, Poppy. I agree, though: definitely the most peculiar offer I've ever seen from Garagiste.
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Post #118  Postby Linda Baehr » July 8th 2009, 3:08pm

Darn I missed that one. [beatoff.gif]
Tasmanian- did he try to market it as devilish?
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Post #119  Postby Poppy Davis » July 8th 2009, 3:14pm

Dear Friends,

Call me crazy, but this may be the best food product I’ve tasted
this year and it tastes like nothing.

Well, the very reason it tastes like nothing makes it taste like
everything – let me explain.

I’m going to have to ask you to stay with me on this one as it will
require a certain dose of faith on your part but I suppose that’s
what I ask of you every day (so this isn’t that unusual). If you are
into the purest products for body and soul, this is a revolutionary
stance on the most basic element of human existence but it will
require a broad bandwidth of support to make it prosper (it's too darn
expensive for them to produce so they need support). This is one of
the more important food or wine products we’ve offered in a while so
here goes...

In a world where we are confronted by a multitude of pollutants on a
24/7 basis, from the air we breath to the electromagnetic/microwave
onslaught that surrounds us to the scented detergent and dryer sheets
that slather our clothes with immune destroying artificial fragrance
(are room air fresheners like Glade the next tobacco or asbestos
lawsuit?) any chance we have to purify our body should be taken
seriously. I’m certainly no expert on world-wide toxins but I am
confronted on a daily basis with the agrarian/vinous aspect of
chemicals and their affect on the land and the families that farm it.
With that, let me present the purest (and one of the most expensive)
waters on earth:

Cape Grim.

This water is so pure, even the ice you place in your glass will
pollute it.

From a remote corner of Tasmania that lays claim to the cleanest air
and water on earth, the Cape Grim peninsula is untouched by human
interaction and the atmosphere we create for over 10,000 miles of open
sea (the largest sea influenced distance on earth). Due to weather
patterns and one of the rainiest/coldest climates in the world (the
Olympic Peninsula is nothing compared to Cape Grim – the name Grim
wasn’t stamped on this rocky, nearly uninhabitable outcropping for
nothing), the natural rainwater and resulting soil in this region are
supposedly the world’s purest. In one of the most unique weather
occurrences on earth, the clouds that dump a teeming mess on this site
travel undisturbed by land interaction all the way around the world
from South America.

If you thought foodies were serious about the next wasabi, the owners
of Cape Grim are fanatical - they are out to convince the world that
the city and bottled water you’ve been drinking is causing your body
to revolt in a slow and steady decline over decades of assault (more
or less). This may sound morbid but they may be on to something. Water
is one of the only essential components of human existence and it
makes up the vast majority of our body. If your base elemental make-up
is polluted from the core, everything else may be askew in a domino
affect that takes place over a lifetime. I’m not sure if they’ve
done studies on health and well-being from consuming Cape Grim on a
regular basis but I do know one thing – this water tastes fabulous.

You actually taste the purity and it’s almost as though you’ve
never actually tasted clean water. You can’t compare this to the
myriad of mineral waters on the market (regardless of price, still or
sparkling) as they are flavored by their mineral composition and place
of origin. Cape Grim has almost no composition except pure molecules
of hydrogen and oxygen. It is like drinking pure oxygen replacement
for the body.

Collected from the pure rain water that falls on the Cape and
collected without human interaction or interaction from air, it is
bottled in glass to retain the purity and to avoid plastic and the
leeching effect that is possible (locals may choose to have it bottled
in sterile plastic bottles but they will not export them). Each bottle
lists on the back the particulate content at the time of
“harvesting” between 0-600 (0 is impossible and even 100 is nearly
impossible). The bottle I tasted last week had a particulate reading
of 183 (they also list typical city water particulate readings, as an
example between 5,000-10,000 in Sydney and nearly 50,000 in Shanghai
– makes you a little distressed). The PH is almost always an ideal 6
and the nitrate readings are nearly imperceptible (I believe my bottle
was .002). I have a slight preference for the lightly sparkling
version as it is so refreshing that it makes you forget about beer,
wine or anything else for a while but both still and sparkling are a
revelation and a nicely chilled treat at anytime of the day (there are
Cape Grim groupies Down Under that claim the sparkling version is a
mystical cure for a hangover but I have no evidence of this).

From Cape Grim: “Rain is nature's main way of cleaning the air. The
air purity at Cape Grim (N.West Tasmania) is recognized by both
governments and scientists as being the cleanest /purest air on Earth.
Cape Grim is located North of Antarctica and receives air that has
travelled 16,000 kilometers across nothing but the freezing Arctic
Ocean only to reach the warmer land and turn into rain. On average it
rains 187 days per year and it’s cold. You wouldn't want to live
there, but the water is worth bottling. Cape Grim bottled water is the
only bottled rain water in the world, clean enough to be approved by
the Health Departments of the USA, EU, Australia and Japan. Cape Grim,
Tasmania, Australia is identified by the Australian Government's
Scientific & Research Organization (CSIRO), as having the cleanest air
on Earth. Cape Grim bottled water is cleaner/purer than any mineral
water or spring water. In fact it is so pure it cannot even be used
for the production of beer. To ensure the purest water quality, the
rainwater is only harvested on days of the absolute highest air
quality.”

My only reservation with offering this was the transport of the water
from Tasmania to Seattle but I attempted to offset the transport
emissions with a large carbon footprint donation that I did not
include in the price (I didn’t think it was fair for you to pay for
the offset). If the water is popular enough, maybe Cape Grim will help
pay for this offset in the future but, for now, I’m willing to foot
the bill for this initial shipment only. If you want to make a
donation to the carbon footprint offset fund, let Melisa know (but
it’s not required or expected of anyone - I’d rather have you just
try the water).

This water was recently rated among the best in the world by Fine
Waters with a retail price of $12/bottle. It retails for around
$7.50-8.50 in Australia so I’m confident our price is among the
lowest in the world for both still and sparkling. In my mind, if I'll
pay $10 for a good bottle of Touraine, I’d happily pay $6.99 for
this.

For more information, please see their web site:
http://capegrim.com.au/

VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED as a unique foodstuff that needs to be tasted
to be believed:

Cape Grim Natural Water (still) 750ml - $6.99

Cape Grim Natural Water (sparkling) 750ml - $6.99

Please limit initial orders to two cases/each water (24 bottles of
each).
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Post #120  Postby Roberto Rogness » July 8th 2009, 3:31pm

"In fact it is so pure it cannot even be used for the production of beer."

Translation: It's so tasteless and lacking in minerals you could only make Budweiser out of it.

"I’m not sure if they’ve done studies on health and well-being from consuming Cape Grim on a regular basis but I do know one thing – this water tastes fabulous."

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests




Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus this is a load of crap on so many levels I feel dirty just reading it....
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Post #121  Postby Craig B » July 8th 2009, 3:33pm

My personal favorite.....

"The PH is almost always an ideal 6 and the nitrate readings are nearly imperceptible (I believe my bottle was .002)."
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Post #122  Postby Linda Baehr » July 8th 2009, 3:37pm

Man, that guy could sell ice makers to Eskimos.
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Post #123  Postby Roberto Rogness » July 8th 2009, 3:47pm

"You can’t compare this to the myriad of mineral waters on the market (regardless of price, still or sparkling) as they are flavored by their mineral composition and place of origin."

Using Terroir as a BAD attribute, that's rich. Give me some gravel and iron laced Gerolsteiner anyday!
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Post #124  Postby Keith Levenberg » July 8th 2009, 3:52pm

This is like an April Fool's joke but even funnier.

I especially love the part about the carbon offsets.
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Post #125  Postby Chris S p i k e s » July 8th 2009, 4:09pm

I like the part where he tried to rationalize the shipping of it by paying for "carbon offsets". If there was ever something just set up for deceit and corruption, it has to be carbon offsets!

I'm not all that happy about us paying about $0.20 per bottle of Ozarka when tap is free and I'm certainly not paying $7 for this water.

Has the world gone mad???
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Post #126  Postby Kent Zimmerman » July 8th 2009, 4:21pm

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. This is the perfect thread for some Penn & Teller "Bullsh&t!" on bottled water:

(caution: some profanity here. duh.)

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Post #127  Postby Yoni O v a d i a » July 8th 2009, 5:09pm

So I'm the only one who went in for a couple cases? headbang

I love how he starts off by saying it tastes like nothing, then in a roundabout way he goes about describing the taste. Brilliant....
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Post #128  Postby Max Marinucci » July 8th 2009, 5:16pm

Amazing...some people may bitch and moan about the price of oil @ $4 per gallon but don't think twice about blowing $7 on a liter of glorified tap water.

I have to admit, it really takes some heavy-duty balls to put out an offer about water from Tasmania with some crazy spin. [rofl.gif]
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Post #129  Postby Todd F r e n c h » July 8th 2009, 5:23pm

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Post #130  Postby Roberto Rogness » July 8th 2009, 5:25pm

Did I mention that the rep was REALLY cute.....
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Post #131  Postby Tyler Rico » July 8th 2009, 5:39pm

why was this merged?

one is enabling gragiste, other is making fun of
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Tyler Rico wrote:why was this merged?

one is enabling gragiste, other is making fun of

Just keeping like subject matter together...

I understand one is enabling, one is making fun, but it's the same general subject matter - Garagiste.
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Post #133  Postby Kevin Klym » July 8th 2009, 6:00pm

I have really cut back on my water mailers in light of the economic downturn, but this is one that I never pass up. Back up the truck.
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Post #134  Postby Todd F r e n c h » July 8th 2009, 6:06pm

Kevin Klym wrote:I have really cut back on my water mailers in light of the economic downturn, but this is one that I never pass up. Back up the truck.

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Post #135  Postby John Liotta » July 8th 2009, 7:07pm

Linda Baehr wrote:Man, that guy could sell ice makers to Eskimos.



I disagree. If he pulled that shit on Eskimos he would used as bait for something and then his bones would be used to club seals.
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Post #136  Postby Roberto Rogness » July 8th 2009, 7:09pm

Umm....maybe it's an intelligence test?
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Post #137  Postby Josh Beck » July 8th 2009, 8:59pm

I'd need to know if this is more the Ausone of $7 water or the La Tache of $7 water or the Monfortino of $7 water before I limit my order to 2 cases.
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Post #138  Postby John Liotta » July 9th 2009, 6:36am

I think he was given too much credit before when he was called the vinous equivalent of J. Peterman. It seems he is merely a hipster version of Billy Mays- at least he is alive but it remains to be seen whether he has ever been hit in the head.
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Re: Has Garagiste jumped the shark?

Post #139  Postby Keith Levenberg » July 9th 2009, 7:51am

Chris S p i k e s wrote:I like the part where he tried to rationalize the shipping of it by paying for "carbon offsets". If there was ever something just set up for deceit and corruption, it has to be carbon offsets!
I am thinking of going into the business of selling carbon offset offsets. Basically, every time you patronize a product that trumpets its claim to have neutralized its so-called carbon footprint, you can pay me to spray aerosol cans until its carbon emissions are back to normal and thereby render the product "sanctimony-neutral."
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Re: The Garagiste Thread (The Great Enabler) Back to Life

Post #140  Postby Chris Tuttle » July 9th 2009, 10:12am

I unsubscribed because of this water offer and the corresponding carbon offset BS.

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