What's your approach to posting TNs here?

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Why do you post TNs or Not? Pick whatever options apply.

1. Don't feel I can convey what I tasted accurately or with interest.
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2. Don't have the time or motivation.
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3. I've got my own blog and don't want to share my intellectual property.
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4. I get all of the TNs I need from CT and only post there.
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5. There are already too many crappy TNs here.
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6. I'll leave the note writting to the more prolific & interesting writters like Jeremy Holms.
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7. I'm more interested in Asylm and Politics sections than wine.
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8. People don't comment on my TNs so a waste of my time.
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9. I don't post on anything, only lurk.
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10. None of the above, see my comments.
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11. I'd like to see more TNs here.
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12. All of the above.
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Post #51  Postby Ralph Earle » November 24th 2012, 5:43pm

I don't post because, at the tender age of 69, my palate has degraded to the point where I don't discern the elements that make up the total experience. (My wife's palate has not declined similarly, so if she points out a flavor or aroma I can usually notice it.)

So a note from me would essentially be, "I liked it -- tasted like a real Corton; 91 points," without any specifics, which I doubt is helpful.

One thing that might be helpful is to report a successful Audouzing of a 1966 Beaune Cent Vignes from Pierre Besancenot last night to celebrate a good report card from the doctor. The first small pour at 3pm looked like weak tea and smelled of acetic acid. But by 6:30, it had darkened to the color of a wine 30 years younger, with recognizably basic Beaune flavor and aroma. The acetic acid was still there, but quite diminished relative to the fruit. Based on its holding up through dinner, I wish I had opened it an hour earlier.

I should add, however, that, some months ago, Audouzing the other bottle (purchased at auction a year ago) was not successful. Weak and sour, it never bloomed. And I should also add that, given my good mood, I was probably bound and determined to enjoy last night's bottle.

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Post #52  Postby Roberto Rogness » November 24th 2012, 5:44pm

Ralph, to me THAT (the last two paragraphs) is a useful note: how did a wine do in the real world?
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Post #53  Postby Brian Tuite » November 24th 2012, 5:50pm

Mark Alcorn wrote:Craig;

Funny you should post this today as last night I actually tried to post a TN from CT to WB and couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I've done it before to WB, I know I did to ebob. I know you do it (or I think you do). I had a great 2007 Turley Dusi and 03 Le Cadeau the other day that I was going to post about whether people here like domestic or not [stirthepothal.gif] .


Once you post your tasting note check the box next to the note and click on "Publish Tasting Note" (see example below)

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Once you click that button you get this screen:

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Choose where you want the note to go (Wineberserkers) and the choose if you want to include a label shot from CT.

Then click on Publish Tasting Note. The next window will look like this:

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At this point either click on Preview or Submit.
the next window will be on Wineberserkers if your browser allows pop-ups.

It's real easy.
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Post #54  Postby paul hanna » November 24th 2012, 5:57pm

Alan Rath wrote:
Paul H Galli wrote:That's a reason I'm pissed that the Squires Board changed. I had a lot of notes on that Board.... (and I refuse to be blackmailed into subscribing)

Paul, you can subscribe for just a month, at something like $12. Worth it if you want to go back and grab your notes.


Yeah, that's what I did....

I often let Jeremy post on on dinners now he part of our group and is much funnier than I am, and as I don't always have the time and can be slow getting things up it is much easier. [cheers.gif]

Having said that 50% of my drinking still comes from other sources, and I currently have a big backlog of notes I have to get around to typing up. Hopefully soon I will get a chance....
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Post #55  Postby Mark A » November 24th 2012, 5:59pm

Brian;

Thanks much. I was missing it. I appreciate the help. Just did 2 TNs and that should make Craig happy :) even though they are not European.
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Post #56  Postby Brian Tuite » November 24th 2012, 6:02pm

Mark Alcorn wrote:Brian;

Thanks much. I was missing it. I appreciate the help. Just did 2 TNs and that should make Craig happy :) even though they are not European.


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Post #57  Postby Joe Hauck » November 24th 2012, 6:05pm

I used to post at least one note if not two a week, probably more in the Ebob days than here, but hardly even jot anything down anymore. The two main reasons are-
1. My kids demand a lot more of my time these days.
2. I've realized that I get more enjoyment from a bottle when I can just sit and drink without having to analyze every aspect of it.

I've gone through about 20 bottles the last six months and don't think I've I even wrote a single note in CT.

This has also been a just a sub-par year for wine enjoyment, wines that have blown me away in the past have really not done much for me lately. [cry.gif]

For those of you that have said they post but don't get any comments, rest assured I do read every note here and appreciate all of them.
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Post #58  Postby Craig G » November 24th 2012, 6:43pm

Brian, thanks for those detailed cross-posting instructions! I've been searching for this as well.
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Post #59  Postby Keith A k e r s » November 24th 2012, 7:12pm

Mike Maguire wrote:So your telling me that one varietal, Burgundy,is posted on more often than all American varietals together.I think you kind of made my point didn't you?I'm not trying to start a war,the question was asked and I answered honestly.



why don't you do something to change that then. wouldn't by you posting notes about the california wines you drink be doing something to change what you perceive is an imbalance in TNs here?

There's a lot of burgundy discussion here because people started threads discussing burgundy. I remember people posting threads wondering why more burgundy discussion didn't happen and then people made sure to reach out to those that were on eBob that didn't immediately come over.



as to the OP, I generally post notes on wines that I am quick enough to write down. I have a massive backlog of notes that I still need to post to CT and I don't post ones that were from two+ years ago.
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Post #60  Postby Robert Alfert, Jr. » November 24th 2012, 7:28pm

Matt Latuchie wrote:i do enjoy posting Loire/Jura/Burgundy notes on ebob though...


Tooch -

Post your Loire notes here, especially Chinon and Saumur! I do not recall ebob having that much action on Loire reds when I played over there, pre-wall.
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Post #61  Postby Joe Hauck » November 24th 2012, 7:42pm

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:
Matt Latuchie wrote:i do enjoy posting Loire/Jura/Burgundy notes on ebob though...


Tooch -

Post your Loire notes here, especially Chinon and Saumur! I do not recall ebob having that much action on Loire reds when I played over there, pre-wall.


Robert, are you on FB?. If so join the Loire Valley Wine Enthusiasts page. [cheers.gif]
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Post #62  Postby Peter Petersen » November 24th 2012, 8:31pm

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Paul H Galli wrote:
M Champney wrote: Paul, couldn’t you get a buddy who’s still on eBob to login and download all your TNs to a spreadsheet, then you could upload them to your CT (which has a download to WB function). Kind of going around your ass to scratch your elbow but in the end you’d (we’d!) have non-squirrely access to all your notes!
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I was assuming that there was an automated way to get the notes out, if there’s not, wouldn’t work. Sad all that is wasted!


There is (or was) a very easy way to compile all your notes on ebob. I experimented as I was trying to prove to someone else that it would be no effort to do it. Alas, I no longer belong so I can't help at this point.
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Post #63  Postby Peter Petersen » November 24th 2012, 8:39pm

Btw, I'd also admit that I post very very rarely on wines, but I honestly feel that my notes say very little. Wine is wine, neither words nor points can adequately describe the experience. Nor do I belong to CT as I persist in the illusion that I can remember all my wines and everything I drink without notes. [snort.gif]
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Post #64  Postby GregT » November 24th 2012, 9:01pm

I've realized that I get more enjoyment from a bottle when I can just sit and drink without having to analyze every aspect of it.

Joe - perfect.

If there's one thing that makes me crazy, it's the idea that you can't sit down with a bottle of wine w/out people pulling out pens, tablets, whatever. I taste chocolate carefully, also tea, coffee, oranges, cheese, meat, pretty much everything, and wine is one more thing to taste, savor, and enjoy w/out recording for posting and posterity.

At my house, people are decreasingly inclined to write TNs because it's frowned on! Just sit back and enjoy it for heaven's sake.

That said - Ralph - I agree w Roberto. That's actually a pretty good note!
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Post #65  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 24th 2012, 9:32pm

Brian Tuite wrote:...
TNs are subjective as we all have different palates anyhow so the value is based solely on whether your palate agrees with mine or not....

I disagree with this. If you and I have different palate preferences, but I am aware of where those differences lie *and* you have a consistent palate, then your notes would be helpful to me, even though our palates wouldn't necessarily "agree."
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Post #66  Postby AndrewH » November 24th 2012, 9:32pm

Mark Alcorn wrote:Craig;

Funny you should post this today as last night I actually tried to post a TN from CT to WB and couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I've done it before to WB, I know I did to ebob. I know you do it (or I think you do). I had a great 2007 Turley Dusi and 03 Le Cadeau the other day that I was going to post about whether people here like domestic or not [stirthepothal.gif] .


On the beta site there's a drop-down arrow next to your tasting note that allows you to publish it to another site. WB is first in the list.
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Post #67  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 24th 2012, 9:38pm

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:
Matt Latuchie wrote:i do enjoy posting Loire/Jura/Burgundy notes on ebob though...


Tooch -

Post your Loire notes here, especially Chinon and Saumur! I do not recall ebob having that much action on Loire reds when I played over there, pre-wall.

and Vouvray and Sancerre, please!
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Post #68  Postby mike pobega » November 24th 2012, 9:38pm

I wish more notes were posted here. I know a handful that do their bit, but it always seems lacking when compared to the squires board of old.
I post as much as I can for a few reasons: 1) to have a record of where I have been and what I have drank, not to mention the minor point of what I thought of it. 2) I think adding my notes (as well as others adding theirs) to this communities pages strengthens the forum in wealth of information to others who actually may be interested to read them. I am always reminded (and shocked) how interested people always are to read my notes here, so it sort of feeds itself. Sound weird when I read that back to myself, but I can't think of a better way to say it.

Notes are an important part of this place.

Greg, I usually find some people taking notes when I have wine dinners at my house and in all honesty, I certainly do not frown on it. We are wine people, and it is what we do. I wish I had the time myself, but with all the cooking and serving/clearing going on, it becomes quite difficult. Now, if I were at a formal dinner with great wines,I will be very low key about any note taking I do, especially if non wine spouses are present, I mean I wouldn't want them to think I was a dick or anything......... :)

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Post #69  Postby alan weinberg » November 24th 2012, 9:48pm

posted much more on eBob and upset to lose them--some really nice Burg visit stories and notes. Hard now to mount the energy to post--and haven't been drinking as much interesting stuff.
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Post #70  Postby mike pobega » November 24th 2012, 9:58pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:You forgot an option for:

I'm ITB and every time I mention a wine I really like (and thus bought some to sell) people accuse me of a conflict of interest.


Between that and the rumor I just heard that the ability to link other sites in posts here will be eliminated, I feel for you brother. newhere [cheers.gif]

In all honesty, I know that this is a valid reason many do not post notes here. Take it another direction and once people know that added to the regular itb disclaimer, any note you DO post will automatically have value, no? Just looking at it another way.
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Post #71  Postby John Morris » November 24th 2012, 11:37pm

Mike Maguire wrote:So your telling me that one varietal, Burgundy,is posted on more often than all American varietals together.I think you kind of made my point didn't you?I'm not trying to start a war,the question was asked and I answered honestly.


In addition to the TNs on Californian wines, there are a LOT of threads on mailing list offerings, shipping dates, and so on, for which there are no corresponding European threads.

As for non-US wines, there's very little here on Bordeaux, or Spain, or Germany beyond Donnhoff, or even Tuscany. So, yes, there are a lot of Burgundy lovers here, but it's not like this is an anti-California forum. It's just spotty, reflecting the community's preferences.
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Post #72  Postby Matt Latuchie » November 25th 2012, 5:38am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:
Matt Latuchie wrote:i do enjoy posting Loire/Jura/Burgundy notes on ebob though...


Tooch -

Post your Loire notes here, especially Chinon and Saumur! I do not recall ebob having that much action on Loire reds when I played over there, pre-wall.

and Vouvray and Sancerre, please!


i certainly try posting all my Loire/jura/burgundy notes here too...but over on ebob talking about anything other than CdP/BDX/Cali Syrah/Cali Cab gets weird looks, so it's fun to stir the pot a bit.
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Post #73  Postby Sherri Shapiro » November 25th 2012, 5:46am

I would love to read more tasting notes. Admittedly, I don't post them but that's because of a bad experience back on the WS board years ago when I got flamed for posting that I enjoyed a wine despite it being too tannic.
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Post #74  Postby Brian Tuite » November 25th 2012, 8:55am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:...
TNs are subjective as we all have different palates anyhow so the value is based solely on whether your palate agrees with mine or not....

I disagree with this. If you and I have different palate preferences, but I am aware of where those differences lie *and* you have a consistent palate, then your notes would be helpful to me, even though our palates wouldn't necessarily "agree."


You know, I didn't look at it that way. Well put!
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Post #75  Postby A.Gillette » November 25th 2012, 8:59am

alan weinberg wrote:posted much more on eBob and upset to lose them--some really nice Burg visit stories and notes. Hard now to mount the energy to post--and haven't been drinking as much interesting stuff.
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I hope you will post more. The burgundy lovers on the board really want to hear what you have to say.
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Post #76  Postby A.Gillette » November 25th 2012, 9:07am

I tend to post notes on every wine I drink provided that I can put my recollections down within a period of time that I believe they are still fresh. I have no illusions about my tasting notes being particularly good or useful to others, but I hope that they sometimes provide a useful frame of reference or a viewpoint that can start an interesting debate or bring out a viewpoint that is different than mine. Writing notes is, for me, incredibly difficult. But I think that if I continue to try, I will be rewarded many years from now when I look back at this board. I think of the postings by Alan Weinberg, Jeremy Holmes, Robert Thornton and Stuart Niemtzow and how valuable they have been to my exploration of burgundy and I hope that over time I can achieve a similar level of expertise. There is a lot of work that goes into having that level of expertise and I feel posting notes and trying to respond to comments on them will help me get there.
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Post #77  Postby Glenn L e v i n e » November 25th 2012, 9:14am

I could give a shit whether folks post in follow-up to a tasting note I write or flame me while disagreeing. Loads of my notes have but one post, in others loads of folks disagree with my observations and impressions but who cares? I have considerable real life problems that take my attentions, as I'm sure others do as well.

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Post #78  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 25th 2012, 10:37am

Sherri Shapiro wrote:I would love to read more tasting notes. Admittedly, I don't post them but that's because of a bad experience back on the WS board years ago when I got flamed for posting that I enjoyed a wine despite it being too tannic.

Please post your notes, Sherri! Don't mind the fools. [berserker.gif]
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Post #79  Postby craig v » November 25th 2012, 10:44am

Mark, I wouldn't be on CT without your help. Surely you can figure out how to post a TN from CT to here? :)

Mark Alcorn wrote:Craig;

Funny you should post this today as last night I actually tried to post a TN from CT to WB and couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I've done it before to WB, I know I did to ebob. I know you do it (or I think you do). I had a great 2007 Turley Dusi and 03 Le Cadeau the other day that I was going to post about whether people here like domestic or not [stirthepothal.gif] .
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Post #80  Postby craig v » November 25th 2012, 10:47am

Regardless of posting style, its really helpful if the poster tells us how long he/she opened the wine for and the decant if done.
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Post #81  Postby Mark A » November 25th 2012, 11:54am

craig vanderah wrote:Mark, I wouldn't be on CT without your help. Surely you can figure out how to post a TN from CT to here? :)

Mark Alcorn wrote:Craig;

Funny you should post this today as last night I actually tried to post a TN from CT to WB and couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I've done it before to WB, I know I did to ebob. I know you do it (or I think you do). I had a great 2007 Turley Dusi and 03 Le Cadeau the other day that I was going to post about whether people here like domestic or not [stirthepothal.gif] .


Yes, I couldn't figure it out. It was as simple as I remember once Brian Tuite (sp?) reminded me. Both Alex and you have good points about the value of the vast majority of the member's notes. We can all contribute something be it decanting time, not ready to drink, etc.... We can't all be Brian Tockman and Steve Sigmond :).
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Post #82  Postby Brian Tuite » November 25th 2012, 11:58am

Mark Alcorn wrote: We can't all be Brian Tockman and Steve Sigmond :).


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Post #83  Postby GregT » November 25th 2012, 12:06pm

Sherri - what Brian said. Post away.

As far as posting on every wine - it's just not possible. If I were to drink a few hundred wines a year, maybe, but if it's for business, I'm not posting and if it's out at a dinner, it ruins the experience and if it's at home, maybe that's OK.

Now, if I were at a formal dinner with great wines,I will be very low key about any note taking I do, especially if non wine spouses are present, I mean I wouldn't want them to think I was a dick or anything......... :)

They seem to think that about me no matter what I do!

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Post #84  Postby Mark A » November 25th 2012, 12:11pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
Mark Alcorn wrote: We can't all be Brian Tockman and Steve Sigmond :).


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Craig and I are in the same general tasting group in the Twin Cities. We have two unusually prolific and talented TN writers in the general group -- Steve and Brian (although Dave Dalluge is great also).
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Post #85  Postby Anthony Lombardi » November 25th 2012, 3:53pm

It seems we have an onslaught of TN's since this thread came around. Keep them coming!
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Post #86  Postby craig v » November 25th 2012, 5:16pm

Sadly Steve Sigmond and Dave Dalluge don't seem to post here or even on CT much anymore. Both of those guys are extremely reliable scribes with excellent palates.

Mark Alcorn wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:
Mark Alcorn wrote: We can't all be Brian Tockman and Steve Sigmond :).


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Craig and I are in the same general tasting group in the Twin Cities. We have two unusually prolific and talented TN writers in the general group -- Steve and Brian (although Dave Dalluge is great also).
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Post #87  Postby Neal.Mollen » November 25th 2012, 6:09pm

I have a different view (shocking I know).

I can glean almost nothing of use from the majority of tasting notes posted here or elsewhere. In many (but not all) instances, I can learn if the poster liked the wine and how much. This might be of some value to me if I know the poster and can predict with reasonable accuracy how our preferences will align. Since I don't know most of you, that doesn't happen often (and almost never happens on crowd-sourced non-real-names sites). The fact that you liked a wine a lot in most instances won't tell me very much about whether I will.

This is especially true if the note falls into one of two categories: (a) the comparator note or (b) thesaurus note. The author of the comprator note says "this is just like the 1973 XYZ wine I had at Moe's house." Fine and useful for him, I suppose, but using a reference to a second wine as a means of evaluating the first just doubles down on the problems identified above.

The thesaurus note is the one that describes the scent of a wine as "redolent of wild Andalusian bilberries, from a south-facing branch, picked at high noon on a cloudy day." I have no f*ck idea what this means. And even if you read professional notes on the same wine, tasted at the same event or time, you will get preposterously varied -- even mutually exclusive -- notes, even where it is apparent that the reviewer both liked (or hated) the wine.

The most I can wring from most notes is (a) that the writer thought the wine was good or bad (as noted above) and (b) whether the wine is closed down tight and completely unyielding (a state that most of us can describe in ways that transcend individual palates) or is over the hill -- the "how's it drinking now" question. This is useful, and I do search through notes here occasionally, but not fool proof by any means

Why don't I post notes of my own? Because I am quite certain my notes would be no more helpful (and maybe much less so) to others than the notes described above are to me. I will sometimes post a note because the wine is unusual for some reason (age of the wine e.g.), because I have had a recently-released wine on which others might be making purchase decisions, or because I was just blown away by something.

I also drink wine exclusively for pleasure, and taking notes while I do is mutually exclusive with enjoyment

This post is longer than all the "notes" I have posted here in the last year!
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Re: What's your approach to posting TNs here?

Post #88  Postby Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 25th 2012, 7:49pm

Neal,
Are you operating under the assumption that the only valid or worthwhile reason to post TN's to a wine discussion forum is to "help" others?
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Post #89  Postby D@v!d P@rt@!n » November 25th 2012, 11:14pm

"What's your approach to posting TNs here?"

I should do it more often and I really appreciate the efforts of those who do.

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Post #90  Postby Bill Klapp (deactivated) » November 26th 2012, 4:01am

Exhibit A in the case against tasting notes:

"The 2001 Vina Tondonia Reserva is bridled with a lovely nose of decayed red fruit, fireside hearth, a touch of mulberry and small red cherry. The palate is medium-bodied with fine tannins, crisp red fruits (wild strawberry and cranberry) with a sharp, vibrant, tense, tannic finish that has immense precision. There is a slight saline note lingering in the mouth after the wine has (regretfully) departed. Drink now-2030+"

This was written by a moderately effete, self-important Brit who shall remain nameless (along with his employer), but it demonstrates in a very few words a quite remarkable ignorance of the English language and its usage. We begin with a wine that is "bridled" by its "lovely nose". A bridle is essentially a control and guidance mechanism for a horse or similar beast. We all understand the concept of "restrained" in a wine's nose, but this note suggests that the wine is being restrained by its nose. Hardly seems possible, eh? "Decayed red fruit" is another nice touch. "Decayed" is a euphemism for "rotten". Is a wine that reeks of rotten red fruit likely to merit 95 points? Apparently so, in this case. Since "hearth" means either a fireplace or the floor of a fireplace, WTF is "fireside hearth" supposed to mean? And "small red cherry" conveys WHAT, exactly? Does this fool expect us to believe that he can discern a difference between a small red cherry and a MEDIUM red cherry? And doesn't it seem that maybe the designation of SWEET red cherry or SOUR red cherry is required to communicate anything, and, if the cherry is sour and the urge to be effete and obtuse is unbridled in the author, perhaps even adding the specification of a distinctively flavored type of small red cherry like, say, the French griotte or the Italian visciole might convey something to at least a few people, even if only in rural Europe? Likewise, the notion that anything tastes of wild strawberries and cranberries is mindless bullshitting for its own sake. I have wild strawberries growing in my yard, and I can assure you that eating ONE cranberry will instantly destroy your ability to detect the aroma or flavor of anything as delicate as a wild strawberry, so the two cannot possibly coexist in a taste of wine. And lastly, I struggle to understand the distinction to be made between "precision" and "immense precision". It seems to me that a finish already described as "sharp", "vibrant", "tense" and "tannic" (the last one of the few descriptors in the above tasting note that actually conveys any meaning) could almost be assumed to possess "precision", but are we to understand that, rather than "precision" simply being the opposite of "imprecise", "murky" or "muddled", that there are many DEGREES of precision to wine finishes? And if so, does "immense" convey anything at all? (To be fair, I concede that "slight saline note" actually communicates something generally understandable. Just too little, too late.)

My point is this: Neal Martin (not his real name) and the other tasting-note regurgitators do not carefully consider beforehand, much less re-read and edit, the garbage that they crank out endlessly. That being the case, why would anyone want to read such drivel, substitute uncredentialed palates that are dulled and ultimately burnt out by tasting 10,000+ wines a year for their own, and then base buying decisions on it? Don't bother to answer...that was a rhetorical question!
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Post #91  Postby D@vid Bu3ker » November 26th 2012, 5:30am

John Morris wrote:As for non-US wines, there's very little here on Bordeaux, or Spain, or Germany beyond Donnhoff, or even Tuscany. So, yes, there are a lot of Burgundy lovers here, but it's not like this is an anti-California forum. It's just spotty, reflecting the community's preferences.


I wrote a note on a Boxler and a Christoffel Riesling (two very delicious wines) and it sank like a stone.
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Post #92  Postby Robert Alfert, Jr. » November 26th 2012, 5:44am

David M. Bueker wrote:
John Morris wrote:As for non-US wines, there's very little here on Bordeaux, or Spain, or Germany beyond Donnhoff, or even Tuscany. So, yes, there are a lot of Burgundy lovers here, but it's not like this is an anti-California forum. It's just spotty, reflecting the community's preferences.


I wrote a note on a Boxler and a Christoffel Riesling (two very delicious wines) and it sank like a stone.


By comparison, though, it seems as if the Bordeaux threads have increased. After seeing John's post, I counted 6 Bordeaux threads on the first page. I rarely if ever open a riesling or burgundy thread (outside my wheelhouse and experience), but find much on this forum to enjoy.

To Bill's point, I cannot argue with your dissection of that note, but respectfully, seeing that sort of laceration is likely what causes many not to post notes out of self-consciousness. I'm sure my tasting notes suck rotten eggs, but in my humble opinion, notes are the core of a wine forum. So I try. Good, bad or ugly, I have gotten a lot of information from notes, especially from those whose notes and palates seem to align more with mine.
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Re: What's your approach to posting TNs here?

Post #93  Postby Neal.Mollen » November 26th 2012, 5:51am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Neal,
Are you operating under the assumption that the only valid or worthwhile reason to post TN's to a wine discussion forum is to "help" others?


Um, yeah. If you are not posting it for others, why put it on a public resource? I know the wines in my cellar pretty well.
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Post #94  Postby Peter Chiu » November 26th 2012, 7:07am

Alex Gillette wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:posted much more on eBob and upset to lose them--some really nice Burg visit stories and notes. Hard now to mount the energy to post--and haven't been drinking as much interesting stuff.
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I hope you will post more. The burgundy lovers on the board really want to hear what you have to say.
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Alex.....I could help but : [rofl.gif] .

Alan nearly got [smileyvault-ban.gif] on the OtherB because his TNs were too short.

For example, one wow or two wows... [drinkers.gif]
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Post #95  Postby Peter Chiu » November 26th 2012, 7:10am

I voted in the survey. I seldom write TNs because

(1) I am not good at it and but

(2) Wines themselves vary with time and conditions of tasting, and that wine tasting is an intrinsically subjective process in any case.

That being said....I love to read other TNs regarding Burgundy wines. newhere
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Post #96  Postby J a y H a c k » November 26th 2012, 7:22am

I try to write notes on most of what I drink, but I fail, and thus write notes on maybe one out of every three or four wines. I do that on Cellartracker and then post here with two or three extra clicks. If people want to read them, they can. If not, they can skip them. I once got a PM criticizing me for posting notes on every wine I wrote about instead of just the good ones. I suggested to the writer that if he did not want to read my notes, he could choose not to open them. He responded in a manner that could opnly be described as very insulting and then said I was arrogant. I told him that I was definitely arrogant, but that he was an a$$hole, and I preferred to be arrogant. I think he soon disappeared from the Board, but that's how I feel about people who do not like other people to post notes. I am not, however, bothered by people who necver post notes and only steal the brilliance of my own creations. To each his or her own.

By the way - I have not read any of the posts in this thread, but noticed Mr. Stewart's popcorn gif, so there must be a war going on. No one should take this message as a personal attack because I haven't even read what you wrote.
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Post #97  Postby AndrewH » November 26th 2012, 7:28am

Peter Chiu wrote:
(2) Wines themselves vary with time and conditions of tasting, and that wine tasting is an intrinsically subjective process in any case.



Variation over time is an important reason for TNs, though. If a wine is drinking well at a given moment, that's a useful piece of knowledge (although perhaps less useful without knowledge of cellaring conditions, etc.)
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Post #98  Postby J a y H a c k » November 26th 2012, 7:31am

Brian Tuite wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:...
TNs are subjective as we all have different palates anyhow so the value is based solely on whether your palate agrees with mine or not....

I disagree with this. If you and I have different palate preferences, but I am aware of where those differences lie *and* you have a consistent palate, then your notes would be helpful to me, even though our palates wouldn't necessarily "agree."


You know, I didn't look at it that way. Well put!

I learn a lot from Levenberg's notes. We've shared wines together and he hates a lot of things I like, so if he gives a wine 76 points, I may have to look at it carerfully as something I may enjoy. Then again, there's this note that I wrote early this year:

  • 2010 Gaia Estate Assyrtiko Thalassitis - Greece, Aegean, Santorini (1/20/2012)
    It's always comforting to check the wine list at a new restaurant with a massive collection of Greek wine, do a searh for high rated Greek wines on Cellartracker, and find a detailed review giving one of the bottles on the list 94 points and a very nice description. Even when it was written by Keith Levenberg. :) Although Keith's tastes and mine are not exactly the same - he has this thing about aging wines in new oak barrels, which he defines as barrels produced after the Civil War - I've got to agree with him on this one. Without a doubt the best Greek wine I have tasted. Absolutely bone dry with "bracing" acidity, minerals, and a very nice fruit melange. Mainly citrus fruits with a tiny bit of tropical fruit (papaya crossed with pineapple), and maybe a touch of Granny Smith. The ABV was 13% and I did not find the alcohol at all intrusive and barely noticed it. My wife and son both loved it. My son, who normally describes white wine as fruit juice with only half the flavor, said this was one of the best white wines he had ever had and commented that the note on the label, "dry" white wine, was certainly accurate.

    The restaurant, by the way, is Kefi on the upper west side in Manhattan, Columbus Avenue between 85th and 84th. Food was great. The manager came over and commented about the excellent wine we had chosen - so I told him about the Levenberg review. The wine list was all Greek and very extensive. You can look at the list on their web site if you are interested. (92 pts.)
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Post #99  Postby mike pobega » November 26th 2012, 7:33am

J a y H a c k wrote:.....I once got a PM criticizing me for posting notes on every wine I wrote about instead of just the good ones. I suggested to the writer that if he did not want to read my notes, he could choose not to open them. He responded in a manner that could opnly be described as very insulting and then said I was arrogant. I told him that I was definitely arrogant, but that he was an a$$hole, and I preferred to be arrogant. I think he soon disappeared from the Board, .......

10-12 more exchanges like that and this board will show some improvement.
I will forward you a list........ [snort.gif]
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Post #100  Postby A.Gillette » November 26th 2012, 7:37am

Peter Chiu wrote:
Alex Gillette wrote:
alan weinberg wrote:posted much more on eBob and upset to lose them--some really nice Burg visit stories and notes. Hard now to mount the energy to post--and haven't been drinking as much interesting stuff.
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Alan -
I hope you will post more. The burgundy lovers on the board really want to hear what you have to say.
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Alex.....I could help but : [rofl.gif] .

Alan nearly got [smileyvault-ban.gif] on the OtherB because his TNs were too short.

For example, one wow or two wows... [drinkers.gif]


Peter -
I was on the parker board as well. Alan may have occasionally posted a note like that. But those posts were few and far between compared to the numerous incredibly and insightful things that Alan posted.
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