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Post #1  Postby Chris Freemott » January 29th 2012, 5:01pm

Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?

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Post #2  Postby Charles Kersten » January 29th 2012, 5:41pm

Many, many years ago as a Boy Scout we held a sloppy joe dinner. It was pretty good.
From the mothers that were in charge:

3 lb ground beef
1 cup chopped onion
1 cup chopped celery
1/2 cup ketchup
15oz can tomato sauce
salt/pepper tp taste
1 tsp chili powder
1 Tbsp vinegar
1/4 cup brown sugar
2 Tbsp prepared mustard

Brown ground beef and onion. Add celery and remaining ingredients and simmer 1/2 hour or longer.

The Mom's made huge volumes of this and there was a really big turnout.
And wow the homemade baked beans that went with were really good too!
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Post #3  Postby Victor Hong » January 29th 2012, 6:00pm

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?


Manwich is such a racket.
That dinner just inducted you into the Gweilo Club of Bolingbrook.
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Post #4  Postby Rick Gregory » January 29th 2012, 6:01pm

Chris,

I grabbed some jarred red sauce a few weeks ago because I was in a hurry and wanted it with pasta that night. It was SWEET. I don't think a lot of the stuff that's on the market now is formulated the same way as it was when we were kids.
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Post #5  Postby KyleCWilkinson » January 29th 2012, 6:17pm

Most of that grocery store/prepared food crap has insane amounts of HFCS in it and tastes ridiculously sweet.
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Post #6  Postby Rick Gregory » January 29th 2012, 6:24pm

KyleCWilkinson wrote:Most of that grocery store/prepared food crap has insane amounts of HFCS in it and tastes ridiculously sweet.

The tomato sauce I bought listed tomatoes as the first ingredient. The second? Sugar. (remember, ingredients are listed in descending order of prevalance.)
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Post #7  Postby Victor Hong » January 29th 2012, 6:26pm

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father...........

I would be worse than you.
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Post #8  Postby Linda Baehr » January 29th 2012, 7:05pm

Just about any of the canned tomato based stuff I have tasted in the last few years is overwhelmingly sweet. I call it tomato candy. [bleh.gif]
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Post #9  Postby KyleCWilkinson » January 29th 2012, 7:07pm

Rick Gregory wrote:
KyleCWilkinson wrote:Most of that grocery store/prepared food crap has insane amounts of HFCS in it and tastes ridiculously sweet.

The tomato sauce I bought listed tomatoes as the first ingredient. The second? Sugar. (remember, ingredients are listed in descending order of prevalance.)



One wishes it was just tomato based stuff. It seems like more often than not, any canned item you grab off a shelf in a grocery store has sugar or corn syrup in the top 3-5 ingredients.
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Post #10  Postby Victor Hong » January 29th 2012, 7:13pm

I always buy just crushed tomatoes and tomato paste.
Ready-made "sauces" are just doctored up with sugar and salt, for an extra 150% in price.
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Post #11  Postby David K o l i n » January 29th 2012, 7:24pm

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?


Hamburger Helper next week, Chris?

Sorry, I don't have a recipe for Sloppy Joe's, but I might be able to help with Tuna Noodle Casserole (it's the crumbled potato chips on top that make the dish). Do not be embarrassed about taking the easy way out. At least you cooked
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Post #12  Postby Victor Hong » January 29th 2012, 7:28pm

David K o l i n wrote:
Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?


Hamburger Helper next week, Chris?

Sorry, I don't have a recipe for Sloppy Joe's, but I might be able to help with Tuna Noodle Casserole (it's the crumbled potato chips on top that make the dish). Do not be embarrassed about taking the easy way out. At least you cooked

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Post #13  Postby Bob Wood » January 29th 2012, 7:52pm

Perhaps next week you should try some of this instead.

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Post #14  Postby Randy Bowman » January 29th 2012, 7:56pm

This is the only recipe I have, though sometimes I buy different types of buns to change it up a little.

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Post #15  Postby Bill Tex Landreth » January 29th 2012, 8:27pm

You lazy f*ck.

I fed my kids Heartbrand Akaushi Top Sirloin, pan fried taters and haricot vert tonight.

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Post #16  Postby Patrick Friel » January 29th 2012, 8:41pm

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?


I've contacted Child Protective Services. If your kids are eating Flannery burgers on whole wheat buns with sprouts and sweet potato fries when they get there, they may let this slide.
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Post #17  Postby Randy Bowman » January 29th 2012, 8:44pm

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?


And by the way, did anybody else complain?? I'm thinking you're the only one who didn't like it. [stirthepothal.gif]
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Post #18  Postby Chris Freemott » January 29th 2012, 9:06pm

Two of the three kids did not care for it.

Sickeningly sweet. HFCS, sugar and brown sugar on the list.


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Post #19  Postby Randy Bowman » January 29th 2012, 9:34pm

Chris,

The Princess has informed me she will pick-up a can of our usual the next time she gets to the grocery store, (within 45 days), so we can try it again and see if it has changed or is to sugary.
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Post #20  Postby Frank Deis » January 30th 2012, 6:45am

We visited my brother-in-law's family for a couple of days at Christmas.

They have formed the habit of volunteering to feed an entire homeless shelter. They had planned to do that on Christmas morning but our visit with them was short and the shelter had another offer for Christmas day. So they got the day after Christmas.

What they did was to cook entire stockpots of a sloppy joe mixture -- which looked and smelled rather like a bean rich chili. They bought bags and bags of soft buns and served about 40 or 50 people. I didn't taste it but it looked and smelled delicious. I could ask him for his recipe. I would bet there is no sugar involved. And perhaps it would be smart to go ahead and make a few gallons of the stuff like my b.i.l. did and freeze it in plastic containers so that you can thaw out portions at a time, enough to feed the kids. ??
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Post #21  Postby Milton Hudson » January 30th 2012, 7:24am

Here you go:

We called this BBQ beef, but it is really sloppy joe's. It is my Gradfather's recipe and date's to the 30's or 40's.

One chuck roast
Teaspoon of liquid smoke
Tablespoon of Chile Powder (you can substitute with good effect an envelope of Taco Bell Chipotle taco seasoning)
Tablespoon of Garlic Powder
One diced onion
Juice of one Lemon
Teaspoon of Yellow Mustard
Bottle of Ketchup (about 12 oz.)
Barely enough water to cover (rinse out the ketchup bottle)

In a stainless steel pot or enamel coated dutch oven, Brown the chuck roast on all sides, toss in all the other ingredients. Cover, but put a toothpick between the lid so some of the steam can escape. Place on the back of the stove covered on low or in a low oven until the meat shreds easily with a fork. If you're looking to be health conscious, refrigerate and skim any fat. Otherwise shred with a fork, removing any large pieces of fat you find. If you put this in a 225 oven, you can do everything in the morning and it will be ready in the evening. You can do a big batch and throw in a vacuum bag and throw in the freezer.

DO NOT PREPARE IN A CROCK POT.

Serve on toasted buns. I like a piece of cheese on mine. YMMV.
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Post #22  Postby Jorge Henriquez » January 30th 2012, 7:42am

For a second there I thought I would have had to move this thread to NSFW. [shock.gif]
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Post #23  Postby Victor Hong » January 30th 2012, 8:46am

Jorge Henriquez wrote:For a second there I thought I would have had to move this thread to NSFW. [shock.gif]

Nah. We can later re-title as a "My Kid is Sick" thread.
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Post #24  Postby Robert.Fleming » January 30th 2012, 9:35am

Chris Freemott wrote:Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?

Bob Wood loves this one: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/rach ... index.html
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Post #25  Postby brianmcbrearty » January 30th 2012, 10:01am

I'm sooo getting a can of this stuff next chance I get. Nothing is what it used to be. HFCS and I suppose just margin increasing innovation in general has made all the terrible food of my childhood into hideous food.
But how hard can it be to adlib a sloppy joe? Onions, garlic, peppers, powders, flour, tomatoes, maybe a little vinegar... are we done? That's gotta be roughly it.
Follow up question: upon adult (-ish) reflection, who would eat a sloppy joe by choice, not forgetting that OP what's his face didn't say this exactly.
But I'm halfway done making chili here! I'm having chili instead!

Chris, my kids an hour ago ate their first Eggo waffles. I explained to them that I didn't eat my first homemade waffle till I was their age living instead on cereal, pop tarts and Eggo's and their lives are the reverse. I can't remember the last time they cleaned their plates like this. I didn't even taste it. It's all gone. Brats.
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Post #26  Postby Scott G r u n e r » January 30th 2012, 10:08am

I used to do the sloppy joe's with the seasoning packet (plus possibly canned tomato sauce- can't recall) that you add to your own ground beef.. I don't remember that being that sweet...

Never had the canned stuff- Have always hated any canned stuff other than Nalley Chile. Chef Boyardee, Spaghettios, manwich, etc- those have always been the devil's food.
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Post #27  Postby Victor Hong » January 30th 2012, 10:34am

Chris Freemott wrote:Im a terrible father. Served this tonight because I don't feel like cooking. How bad can it be right? Sloppy joes all around.

f*ck me. This stuff is awful. Was it this bad when I was a kid? More sugar than I can handle.

Anyone have a sloppy joe recipie they like?

I would prefer to eat pigeons raised on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence.
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Post #28  Postby Patrick Friel » January 30th 2012, 10:54am

Victor Hong wrote:I would prefer to eat pigeons raised on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence.


Please, Victor. "Local, free-range squab" is the preferred terminology.
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Patrick Friel wrote:
Victor Hong wrote:I would prefer to eat pigeons raised on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence.


Please, Victor. "Local, free-range squab" is the preferred terminology.
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Patrick Friel wrote:
Victor Hong wrote:I would prefer to eat pigeons raised on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence.


Please, Victor. "Local, free-range squab" is the preferred terminology.



Almost - "Free Range Uptown Squab" [cheers.gif]
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Post #31  Postby Patrick Friel » January 30th 2012, 11:07am

Victor Hong wrote:
Patrick Friel wrote:
Victor Hong wrote:I would prefer to eat pigeons raised on the corner of Broadway and Lawrence.


Please, Victor. "Local, free-range squab" is the preferred terminology.


... "sustainably harvested". Excellent. Apropos of David's observation, I assume they sell at a premium.
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Post #32  Postby Chris Freemott » January 30th 2012, 12:02pm

2#'s of costco hamburger. 2 cans of red sugar crap. This thread.

McB is correct - it really cannot be that hard to emulate and in looking I see that many have used Penzy's Chili 3000 as the base seasoning.

I happen to like them and consider them a bit of a comfort food. I was NOT expecting the flavors I received in the can. My son's comment was - these are are NOT what I like. The school makes what I like.

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Post #33  Postby Victor Hong » January 30th 2012, 12:11pm

Chris Freemott wrote:2#'s of costco hamburger. 2 cans of red sugar crap. This thread.

McB is correct - it really cannot be that hard to emulate and in looking I see that many have used Penzy's Chili 3000 as the base seasoning.

I happen to like them and consider them a bit of a comfort food. I was NOT expecting the flavors I received in the can. My son's comment was - these are are NOT what I like. The school makes what I like.

When I'm defeated by a school cafeteria it is time to regroup.

My childhood was perhaps idyllic.
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Post #34  Postby Chris Freemott » January 30th 2012, 12:21pm

Not really idyllic Victor. The result is, at times, questioned.
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Post #35  Postby Brian Tuite » January 30th 2012, 1:17pm

1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.
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Post #36  Postby Bob Wood » January 30th 2012, 1:43pm

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When I'm defeated by a school cafeteria it is time to regroup.

Can I get a big "AMEN" from the congregation? It's kinda like racing your car against a 1959 VW bug and losing.
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Can I get a big "AMEN" from the congregation? It's kinda like racing your car against a 1959 VW bug and losing.

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Post #38  Postby Linda Baehr » January 30th 2012, 7:07pm

Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.
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Post #39  Postby KyleCWilkinson » January 30th 2012, 7:14pm

Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

It does look good, but tomato soup seems like it's too wet to only heat for five minutes and serve.
Then again, they are sloppy joes, and I know you boys like em REALLLL SLOPPY!
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Post #40  Postby Brian Tuite » January 30th 2012, 7:17pm

KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

It does look good, but tomato soup seems like it's too wet to only heat for five minutes and serve.
Then again, they are sloppy joes, and I know you boys like em REALLLL SLOPPY!


Just try it. Sometimes I use 1-1/2lbs of beef but then it's not as sloppy.
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Post #41  Postby Frank Deis » January 30th 2012, 8:25pm

KyleCWilkinson wrote:It does look good, but tomato soup seems like it's too wet to only heat for five minutes and serve.
Then again, they are sloppy joes, and I know you boys like em REALLLL SLOPPY!


Yum! Seconds, anyone?
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Post #42  Postby Rick Gregory » January 30th 2012, 9:09pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

It does look good, but tomato soup seems like it's too wet to only heat for five minutes and serve.
Then again, they are sloppy joes, and I know you boys like em REALLLL SLOPPY!


Just try it. Sometimes I use 1-1/2lbs of beef but then it's not as sloppy.


Have some tomato paste on hand. If you feel it's too sloppy...
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Post #43  Postby Paul Bacino » January 31st 2012, 9:14am

I remember my mom making her sloppy joes with Gumbo soup mix and burger. Not sure my wife would let me make them, now-a -days
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Post #44  Postby David Wright » January 31st 2012, 9:40am

Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

Well, a can of Campbell's (e.g.) tomato soup has something like 30g of sugar (mostly HFCS). Compare that to 18g of sugar (all from the tomatoes) in a 6 oz can of Muir Glen tomato paste -- which has at least two or three times the amount of actual tomato as the can of soup.

If I wanted to make Sloppy Joes, I'd start with onions and garlic, add tomato paste, maybe a dash of Worchestershire, add a little water (or Guinness) to achieve desired consistency, and then add browned meat.
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Post #45  Postby Linda Baehr » January 31st 2012, 9:52am

David Wright wrote:
Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

Well, a can of Campbell's (e.g.) tomato soup has something like 30g of sugar (mostly HFCS). Compare that to 18g of sugar (all from the tomatoes) in a 6 oz can of Muir Glen tomato paste -- which has at least two or three times the amount of actual tomato as the can of soup.

If I wanted to make Sloppy Joes, I'd start with onions and garlic, add tomato paste, maybe a dash of Worchestershire, add a little water (or Guinness) to achieve desired consistency, and then add browned meat.


Yes, I wasn't too crazy about the soup idea. I would definitely use canned tomato instead.
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Post #46  Postby Jorge Henriquez » January 31st 2012, 9:54am

David Wright wrote:
Linda Baehr wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:1 lb Gr Beef
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Tsp Ground Mustard
1 Tsp Poultry Seasoning
1/2 Tsp Thyme
1-1/2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar

Brown beef, add seasonings and then soup. Heat 5 minutes and serve on toasted buns. Can't get any easier.
Ketchup? Ugh...

Sometimes I'll saute some chopped onion with the meat but it makes it too sweet for me.


This sounds pretty reasonable. No offense to the posters who put up a couple of the other recipes, but the ketchup and additional sugar still sounds way too sweet for me.

Well, a can of Campbell's (e.g.) tomato soup has something like 30g of sugar (mostly HFCS). Compare that to 18g of sugar (all from the tomatoes) in a 6 oz can of Muir Glen tomato paste -- which has at least two or three times the amount of actual tomato as the can of soup.

If I wanted to make Sloppy Joes, I'd start with onions and garlic, add tomato paste, maybe a dash of Worchestershire, add a little water (or Guinness) to achieve desired consistency, and then add browned meat.


I like this recipe much more.
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Post #47  Postby Bill Tex Landreth » January 31st 2012, 9:57am

When do we start arguing about the type of bun to use and how much to toast it?
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Post #48  Postby Victor Hong » January 31st 2012, 1:09pm

Solution for Chris Freemott:
Put the rugrats to work, especially in the kitchen. [cheers.gif]
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Post #49  Postby brianmcbrearty » January 31st 2012, 1:13pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:When do we start arguing about the type of bun to use and how much to toast it?


What's to argue about? Hamburger bun from bread aisle of chain grocery store, sesame seeds, oversized, toasted not in the least.
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Post #50  Postby Brian Tuite » January 31st 2012, 1:27pm

brianmcbrearty wrote:
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:When do we start arguing about the type of bun to use and how much to toast it?


What's to argue about? Hamburger bun from bread aisle of chain grocery store, sesame seeds, oversized, toasted not in the least.


Nah, you're missing out. Oversized buns don't work for sloppy's. Pedestrian white bun, butter and broil, a little mayo, a slice of Kraft all american cheese and the sloppy mix. The butter and broil gives the bun a nice crusaty ring around the edges that keeps the meat inside the buns and off your hands. (made with the soup because tomato paste or tomato sauce makes it too acidic and too tomatoey. Is that a word? The soup has far less sugar than the previous recipes and with the tomato you need sugar to balance the acid. Just not too much. Besides, the herbs balance out all the flavors nicely. YMMV.

We're talking sloppy joe's, what next Flannery ground beef and brioche?
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