A New California Grand Cru Pinot Vineyard: Sea Smoke Southing

[Ed_Murray]

@Adam Lee

Let’s say CA Pinot claims to be 14.5% alcohol but is actually 14.1%.

…good one!

[Rick_Gregory]

Oh please yes, let’s revisit for the FIVE THOUSANDTH TIME the debate about alcohol in wine. Because I’m sure this time it will be different…

[Roberto_Rogness]

The rest of that Grand Cru harvest goes in here:

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Adam Lee

@Paul H Galli

@Adam Lee

Paul,

Brilliant…you make an unsubstantiated claim and then say that it doesn’t matter anyway. Running for office anytime soon?

Adam Lee
Siduri Wines

You misunderstood me…
For instance:
CA Pinot claims to be 14.5% alc. Let’s say it’s 1% higher in reality. That’s 15.5%.
Burg claims it’s 13.5% alc. Let’s say it’s 1% higher in reality. That’s 14.5%.

I’m saying it doesn’t matter as much for a Burg because it typically starts from a lower baseline as compared to a CA Pinot.

TTT

Let’s say CA Pinot claims to be 14.5% alcohol but is actually 14.1%. Let’s say Burgundy claims to be 13.5% but is actually 14.0%. Not even making anyone illegal here…what’s the difference?

Adam Lee
Siduri Wines

Come on Unca Sid. Get real.
You know that Red Burg is typically lower in octane than CA Pinot!

TTT

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Rick Gregory

Oh please yes, let’s revisit for the FIVE THOUSANDTH TIME the debate about alcohol in wine. Because I’m sure this time it will be different…

Exactly. Had this been a California Vintner that all of a sudden applied “Champagne” to their respective sparkling wine label, would we argue about ETOH in those wines? I suspect not.

[Roberto_Rogness]

No, bill, we would argue about the lack of acidity and minerality in those sparklers…

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Roberto Rogness

No, bill, we would argue about the lack of acidity and minerality in those sparklers…

Which would be something new and refreshing to discuss.

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jeezus. I certainly did not want this thread to devolve into the “bang head against wall” argument of high ETOH California Pinot Noir. Paul, I imagine that blinded you could not tell the difference in 13 to 16% ETOH ABV Pinot from either CA, Burgundy or NZ.

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Brian G r a f s t r o m

@Paul H Galli

@Adam Lee

Paul,

I wasn’t aware you had tested many yourself…did you use your ebulliometer or desnitometer? And since you specifically mentioned California, you found the non-CA wines to be more accurate?

http://www.wineandspiritsmagazine.com/pages/features/0910_TaxingTrends.html

Adam Lee
Siduri Wines

I’ve tested them with my highness level for a given volume of wine.

While Burgs (for instance) may (Or may not) be accurate, they start at a lower claimed Alc % on the bottle.
So, if it’s higher (or lower) it doesn’t matter as much.

TTT

Your “highness level”?!? Are you smoking it?

Repeat after me: I will only drink - not smoke - my wine. I will only drink - not smoke - my wine. I will only …

Huh?
You never got high, stoned, bombed or drunk on alcohol?

TTT

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Paul H Galli

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jeezus. I certainly did not want this thread to devolve into the “bang head against wall” argument of high ETOH California Pinot Noir. Paul, I imagine that blinded you could not tell the difference in 13 to 16% ETOH ABV Pinot from either CA, Burgundy or NZ.

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological standpoint.

[Randy_Sloan]

I like Sea Smoke and buy each year but this seems rather silly labeling.

But if it works, keep an eye out for my First Growths next year. Lol

[Jim_Anderson]

While I think the concept has a tone-deaf quality to it they’re far from the first to do something like, say, name their winery Grand Cru or repeatedly claim superiority to the wines of one of the most respected and top wineries in the world. I think, for at least some folks, Burgundy is just another entity that is there to be co-opted, utilized and bested. It’s just a different perspective than most folks here have or relate to.

[Benjamin_Sullivan_DNA]

This thread is funny!

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Benjamin Sullivan

This thread is funny!

All we need now is for Francis to post some inappropriate picture of a nice lady, state that he would boink her and let everyone know what an awesome chef he is.

[Benjamin_Sullivan_DNA]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Benjamin Sullivan

This thread is funny!

All we need now is for Francis to post some inappropriate picture of a nice lady, state that he would boink her and let everyone know what an awesome chef he is.

Franny you have to now…

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Paul H Galli

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jeezus. I certainly did not want this thread to devolve into the “bang head against wall” argument of high ETOH California Pinot Noir. Paul, I imagine that blinded you could not tell the difference in 13 to 16% ETOH ABV Pinot from either CA, Burgundy or NZ.

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological standpoint.

I couldn’t disagree with you more.
There’s more to the mix than 1 point higher alcohol. (eg larger percentage of higher alcs and headache causing substances)
From 35 years of serious wine drinking, I know what effects me.
You don’t…

TTT

[CFu]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Paul H Galli

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jeezus. I certainly did not want this thread to devolve into the “bang head against wall” argument of high ETOH California Pinot Noir. Paul, I imagine that blinded you could not tell the difference in 13 to 16% ETOH ABV Pinot from either CA, Burgundy or NZ.

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological standpoint.

\my palate is so sensitive i can taste it with a single sip the alcohol level! How dare you try and trick me!!

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Paul H Galli

@Bill Tex Landreth

Jeezus. I certainly did not want this thread to devolve into the “bang head against wall” argument of high ETOH California Pinot Noir. Paul, I imagine that blinded you could not tell the difference in 13 to 16% ETOH ABV Pinot from either CA, Burgundy or NZ.

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological standpoint.

Not one percentage point, Bill — one tenth of a percentage point. Get it right.

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Charlie Fu

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Paul H Galli

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological
standpoint.

\my palate is so sensitive i can taste it with a single sip the alcohol level! How dare you try and trick me!!

Fu,
Please don’t misquote me. I said certain wines, not all.
One sip of a Martinelli Zin (for instance)is enough for any living human to discern an outrageous level of alcohol.

TTT

[Paul_H_Galli]

@Brian G r a f s t r o m

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Paul H Galli

If I drank 1/2 a bottle I could.
For sure.
Without a doubt.

In some cases one sip could tell me.

I’m really not that much against High Octane PN from anywhere if it’s balanced.
It’s just that it tends to give me a headache when compared to equal volume of a lower octane wine.

TTT

Again, BS. One percentage point in ETOH in 375 mL of wine for the average adult male that drinks regularly would never notice from a physiological standpoint.

Not one percentage point, Bill — one tenth of a percentage point. Get it right.

Once again, you make no sense…

TTT