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Rauno E (NZ)

Do tell please William! I do think Girardin was on an upswing for quality whites (really good '10s) but that sort of seemed to stall and I found several wines just a bit boring. Are you suggesting viticulture at Vougeraie has been a bit of a challenge since they expanded their parcels and range?

Rauno E (NZ)

Interesting Herwig. I actually found the '08 Carillon BBM relatively weaker in the line up (cf Referts and Perrieres that year) than surrounding vintages. There are certainly a lot of great white burgs in 2008, with a number of producers making better wines for my tastes than their '07s and '09s (et...

Rauno E (NZ)

Has anyone tried the recent Vougeraie versions?

Rauno E (NZ)

Carillon is my favourite, but as the OP has pointed out, pretty much all of the producers are great, and therefore so are the wines. I would tend to rate BBM above BM in part for that consistency (and I love the flavour profile).

Rauno E (NZ)

Lost me at no Montrachet on offer

Rauno E (NZ)

Dreadful - you have my sympathies :(. I do feel Ramonet has been a bit insulated from the opprobrium thrown at some of the other disappointing producers. Leflaive has been hauled over the coals here many times, but I feel Ramonet is at least as bad - and WORSE as they haven't really done anything to...

Rauno E (NZ)

Many of the best preserved 12+ year-old white burgundies I'm drinking at the moment have a green hue. I assumed it had to do with Sulfur compounds.

Rauno E (NZ)

But 2019 is the vintage of the century, so why wouldn’t you expect prices to go up to reflect that? /s

Rauno E (NZ)

I’ve had a couple of vintages of this wine. It is not (not even nearly) worth $1500.

Rauno E (NZ)

If it were me and some windfall I wanted to celebrate with a bottle, I would probably try to get something outside my usual drinking sphere. I drink a lot of burg and rhone, so would be thinking soldera or biondi santi; unico; haut brion Blanc or something like that.

Rauno E (NZ)

Thanks for the notes, and glad the Sauzets showed so well for you. 2000s are a treat when “on”.

Rauno E (NZ)

And chalk up another "win" for those to whom it's more important to be "right" than (almost) anything else. Three weeks! LOL the horror.

Rauno E (NZ)

Neal, what do you think of ‘85 Lynch Bages? To me, that wine has an almost perfect streak of green, needs a good decant. Similarly (though lesser) the ‘90 PFLFL is now a beautiful wine after spending most of its life “too green”.

Rauno E (NZ)

Isn’t Webster the one that has allowed irregardless? Shudder.

Rauno E (NZ)

Wait, is it pronounced "Pee Ell Ell"?!? I've always gone "PLLLLLLLLL", extra ululation for a bigger pour.

Rauno E (NZ)

For my tastes, nearly all of his wines improve with age - say 5-7 years after release (and perhaps beyond). The exceptions for me have been the much hyped Boloree and Creux d'Enfer, which I have preferred "fresh" over ~6-year old bottles.

Rauno E (NZ)

That reminds me to better try some of my Blain Gagnards

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Rauno E (NZ)

And my note for some extra $$$ too, hopefully not too late. Wendouree Cabernet Sauvignon 1995: Nice developing colour, far from young and far from old. Really interesting on the nose, with a lot more tar, iron and sauvage characters than I would usually associate with Cabernet. Almost put me in mind...

Rauno E (NZ)

I think I have one of those Clarendon Hills Turbo Syrahs somewhere. Time to dig it out?

Rauno E (NZ)

For a minute there I thought this would be a funny thread about fake Prum "Reisling" (which I cannot recommend buying)

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Rauno E (NZ)

Lol Alan, I was thinking that - wouldn’t have happened with a nice fresh one

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Rauno E (NZ)

Hudelot Malconsorts instead of Vosne village

! This reminds me I need to have an ‘04 Beaucastel soon. Really liked the elegance cf surrounding vintages when I tried it very young.

Rauno E (NZ)

Their puligny caillerets has been thrilling on and off, but not consistently good with their whites, sadly

Rauno E (NZ)

So... if there were more than 22 100 pointers, how did he select the top 22?

Rauno E (NZ)

Wa ha ha ha ha :)! Now that’s doing it properly! Great photos again Dave. As if the list of wines were not enough to cause envy. Hope you have many more great nights like that, I suppose especially once we have that trans Tasman bubble thing going. Couple of questions: was the 08 Rayas Blanc “worth ...

Rauno E (NZ)

Ha! These great notes have made me pull the 2002. Oxidised.

Rauno E (NZ)

Riedel - the shape for "oaked chardonnay" etc (which I also use for Chablis). There are various incarnations of that shape by Riedel, but also other manufacturers. My favourite at the moment is the Riedel Veritas which is fine, balanced, light and (so far) durable.

Rauno E (NZ)

Domaine Dujac Morey St Denis 2017 Prompted by Sean's question in another thread about whether the Dujac is drinking well, I succumbed and opened another. This is still gorgeous, but based on being much more reserved on day 2 I would wonder whether it will shut down for a little while quite soon. Bri...

Rauno E (NZ)

If you take the view that ANY bottle can be worth ~US$6000 then an exceptional wine from an exceptional vineyard made in tiny quantities is probably a great candidate. Leroy, DRC, Liger Belair and Roumier shouldn't have a monopoly on ridiculous red burgundy pricing when this Faiveley is of equal or ...

Rauno E (NZ)

Scarcity. And yes, from a pricing perspective Vogue has a 'disadvantage' through being high production and easy to get. When only 150 bottles a year get made (as was the case with Faiveley) it doesn't require a lot of rich people to drive the price up over $6000.

Rauno E (NZ)

Whenever i have a great Riesling I chide myself a little for not buying more. Whenever I have a great CdB white I chide myself for not being able to buy more.

Rauno E (NZ)

I'm also in the "age them" camp. I prefer development. Typically 10 year minimum.

Rauno E (NZ)

Rick - please post a note of the 1990 Dom! I have a bottle left and wondering how it's faring.

Rauno E (NZ)

Thanks for the note. Best I go open some soon, based on that colour!

Rauno E (NZ)

Sean - I had a couple of Dujac MSD Villages '17s early (being 10-12 months ago now) and they were delicious at that point. I would expect they're less open by now,

Rauno E (NZ)

It's probably also about anchoring. Having a set of 4-figure bottles in the burg section makes it easier and more likely for a punter to go "$350 for the Leroy Bourgogne Rouge isn't so bad".

Rauno E (NZ)

The “top” wines from reignots up are pretty special, so you might keep a bottle or two of those to try. The others you can sell with zero fomo.

Rauno E (NZ)

Hi, one of the things you may get used to here is people providing advice regardless of your actual question;). In that vein, I would recommend you get some of the whites from autres regions, specifically: 1 case each of Moreau nodet Chablis, Lamy chanteniere and Lamy en remilly. You could mix it up...

Rauno E (NZ)

Ouch. I feel your pain. Seems like this is happening with more and more white grand crus.

Rauno E (NZ)

Lol! A “trend” since 2 releases ago

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Rauno E (NZ)

It's not like Lafite 2018 is some super scarce product. What wine enthusiast would rather shall out for that one magnum and book than EIGHT BOTTLES (which I think you can buy for the same sort of $)?

Rauno E (NZ)

I would hold off buying until a notable book critic has scored The Almanac...

Rauno E (NZ)

From the pricing I've seen, the Grand Crus have really shot up in price from Fontaine Gagnard as well in the last couple of vintages. Generally, if back vintages are cheaper, there will tend to be a reason for that - i.e. a higher than average chance the wine is shot. Of course, Ramonet doesn't appe...

Rauno E (NZ)

"Lower Production" is unlikely to be meaningful / true across the board - especially with Montrachet and Chevalier being negoc wines rather than domaine. I stopped buying the GCs, particularly given Combettes is often just as good IMHO. I haven't tried any of the 2018s and probably won't f...

Rauno E (NZ)

Great sentiments Sean, I'm delighted you had a great time with the wine. The only downside is you're going to want to scratch that itch again... and then with the Combettes... and then the Pucelles...

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Rauno E (NZ)

Yes, it pencils out. Because you come back as a tapeworm in your next life. Karma.

Rauno E (NZ)

Thanks for the notes. Good to hear the Carillon Perrieres is "to style" even in 2015!

Rauno E (NZ)

What happened to the other eight?!?

Rauno E (NZ)

Howard, with whites I agree with you on 1993s, but then I’ve really only had grand crus and virtually no village wines. I would argue 2000s were always highly regarded (cf the faint praise at the time for red siblings) but I have found many 2001s turned out brilliant

Rauno E (NZ)

FWIW in relation to whites I reckon 2013s might be a real bolster. Very early days of course.

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