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by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 4:54 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 1983 François Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru Clos
Replies: 8
Views: 437

Re: TN: 1983 François Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru Clos

Enviable!

A mutual friend of ours had a 1978 Montée de Tonnerre reserved for me for later this year, just need to pick a red to bring to lunch that will be worthy of the white...
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 3:21 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

If you go back far enough with some domaines there is no telling what you might find. DRC made cold duck and white Zin. Most people don’t know that. As I recall Fred Mugnier has a poster of some weird concoction made by his ancestors. My guesses would be Philippe Engel, long May he live in our hear...
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 3:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Christian Moreau Moreau-Naudet Antoine Jobard Duroché Domaine Leflaive Humbert Frères Trapet Ghislaine Barthod Louis Boillot Harmand-Geoffrey The now defunct Domaine David Clark? Up until 2005 at least Antoine Jobard made a Blagny red. Label was still François & Antoine Jobard at that point but I t...
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 11:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Max K wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 11:37 am
Fair enough...but does that mean the others stand?
Yes! Or at least, as far as I know...

We really ought to exclude Chablis and Mâconnais producers, or perhaps invert the question for those regions, asking which producers make reds as well as whites.
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 10:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2019 Lafleur, opinion please.
Replies: 31
Views: 1286

Re: 2019 Lafleur, opinion please.

MitchTallan wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 9:10 am
I think of Certain de May with it's history of two old ladies owning the tiny winery and it's historic underperformance.
Which two old ladies were those?
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 10:42 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Christian Moreau Moreau-Naudet Antoine Jobard Duroché Domaine Leflaive Humbert Frères Trapet Ghislaine Barthod Louis Boillot Harmand-Geoffrey The now defunct Domaine David Clark? Up until 2005 at least Antoine Jobard made a Blagny red. Label was still François & Antoine Jobard at that point but I t...
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 6:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 5:58 am
Coquard Loison Fleurot
Vincent Ledy
Vincent Ledy makes Hautes-Côtes de Nuits whites.

For CLF you may be onto something.
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 6:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

I move to ban William from this thread. [rofl.gif] I think it will be genuinely difficult to find very many producers than never made a white in Burgundy, partly because it was historically quite common for producers to make a barrel of white for day to day consumption. If you go back in time, befo...
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 5:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Matthew King wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 7:55 pm
Cathiard
Cathiard makes Aligoté and now IIRC Hautes-Côtes de Nuits Blanc
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 5:35 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

B. Buzzini wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 5:54 pm
Off hand I know Bertheau has only made a red
François produces a bit of Aligoté for personal consumption in his kir.
by William Kelley
July 3rd, 2020, 5:34 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?
Replies: 58
Views: 1077

Re: What Domaine producers have only made one variety color EVER?

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 6:21 pm
Mugneret gibourg
I own two bottles of their 1964 Aligoté - a parcel since replanted to Pinot Noir.
by William Kelley
July 2nd, 2020, 2:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: It's critic bingo! (striding confidently when not prancing)
Replies: 1129
Views: 52498

Re: It's critic bingo! ('19 Haut Brion threatens to "go atomic")

Here's a note I love, from our own David Bueker here on WB . It's entirely metaphoric, but sums up a classic Chablis 1er cru vividly: 2010 François Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru Blanchot - France, Burgundy, Chablis, Chablis Grand Cru (6/29/2020) Take a very sharp knife. Slide a lemon with one quick cu...
by William Kelley
July 2nd, 2020, 2:30 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Have you received your DRC Allocation?
Replies: 151
Views: 10955

Re: Have you received your DRC Allocation?

2016 Montrachet is the one of the rarest bottles of Chardonnay ever. I have a good friend in Hong Kong who owns a bottle. He told me just 500 total bottles sold worldwide (that’s 1/10th typical production for each of the standing Domaines, let alone all of them combined) to VIP clients with their n...
by William Kelley
July 2nd, 2020, 9:00 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?
Replies: 13638
Views: 665136

Re: What is YOUR most recent wine purchase?

3x 1986 Beychevelle
1x 1934 Clos Vougeot from Château Couronné Malvoisin, a Mâconnais négociant label that doesn't exist anymore. Some of those old southern Burgundy négoce did a great job back in the day (Piat, for example), so this might be interesting.
by William Kelley
July 1st, 2020, 3:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 5452

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

Question for the experts: of the pomerol super seconds (VCC, Trotanoy, Eglise Clinet) which is the value pick of the last decade? ‘12 or ‘14? (‘09, ‘10 and ‘16 sitting clearly in a higher piece&quality bracket) 2011 VCC would win my nomination for value pick of the decade, and if you like more Cabe...
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 5:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: NV vs Vintage Champagne
Replies: 14
Views: 900

Re: NV vs Vintage Champagne

I think you can find fantastic value in vintage Champagne, especially in good recent vintages (08, 12, 14, now 18). In the US, we even see good quality vintage stuff in the $40-50 USD range. Don't forget 2013 here! Honestly, I like 2013 more than 2014 overall. And the incisive, racy style of 2013 h...
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 5:04 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 06` R. Lopez de Heredia Vina Bosconia Reserva Rioja
Replies: 16
Views: 580

Re: 06` R. Lopez de Heredia Vina Bosconia Reserva Rioja

why do you prefer Bosconia over Tondonia Not Blake, but in conception Viña Bosconia was intended to be a more Burgundian-styled wine, whereas Viña Tondonia was modeled on the Bordeaux crus classé (and Viña Gravonia on the white blends of the Graves). This all came about during the phylloxera crisis...
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 5452

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

Vinod S. wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 2:08 pm
Anyone tried the 2012 or 2011 VCC recently? Have some sitting in offsite storage and thought they might be reaching approachability though young.
Wait a bit longer! They are still pretty primary.
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 2:52 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy
Replies: 56
Views: 3269

Re: Domaine Guillemot-Michel, Burgundy

Just checked the release. Always a pleasure to see that a year of work in the vineyard transformed into happiness in the glass [dance-clap.gif] I also see that William's palate and mine align on Denogent Les Cras 2017, great bottle in my opinion, my box of 6 is already down to 4... Thanks, Gautier....
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 8:55 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2723

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Does anyone include the guy from the Wine Advocate chiming in on this thread? He seemed to like it. Yes, I really did like it! For me, one of the very best 2008 Champagnes from the big houses, and it's built for the very long haul. I tasted / drank it again in France this Spring from the commercial...
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 6:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2723

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Does anyone include the guy from the Wine Advocate chiming in on this thread? He seemed to like it. Yes, I really did like it! For me, one of the very best 2008 Champagnes from the big houses, and it's built for the very long haul. I tasted / drank it again in France this Spring from the commercial...
by William Kelley
June 30th, 2020, 5:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 5452

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

It's gotten better, but I would agree with her on the 3rd Class status for now. Remember that there are quite a few that she didn't give a classification to, so that's not the lowest status. Depends on the period also, before the sale of vineyards to Pétrus in the 1960s it was terrific. That's inte...
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 5:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2723

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Sure, who knows. I bet Salon's production is well south of CdC. Unless the pricing is ridiculous, count me as a buyer! Right, hard to know what the true numbers are, but CdC, while a multiple of Salon's production, is well below 1 million bottles, whereas even conservative estimates of DP would hav...
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 4:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 5452

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

wow no love for Gazin on that ranking. It's gotten better, but I would agree with her on the 3rd Class status for now. Remember that there are quite a few that she didn't give a classification to, so that's not the lowest status. Depends on the period also, before the sale of vineyards to Pétrus in...
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 3:47 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: 2006 Taittinger CdC Blanc
Replies: 3
Views: 263

Re: 2006 Taittinger CdC Blanc

Agreed, now is a great time to be opening this!
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 3:46 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2723

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 3:06 pm
Have they ever priced north of Dom? That would be bold...
Why? It's smaller production and often better.
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 3:45 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: If Pomerol did have a classification....?
Replies: 83
Views: 5452

Re: If Pomerol did have a classification....?

One decent starting place on a classification is Wikipedia's post on Pomerol, which includes Master of Wine Mary Ewing-Mulligan's 2001 rankings that divided Pomerol into three categories. One flaw was that she ignored a couple of top ones which made fewer than 1,000 cases, most notably La Violette....
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 8:04 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines
Replies: 37
Views: 2502

Re: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines

Without intending to pick a fight, I don’t think too many wineries are as worried about negative reviews as they used to be either. I can’t speak to other wineries, but no critic has ever inclined in any way that my reviews could be affected by anything other than how the wines show when tasted. It...
by William Kelley
June 29th, 2020, 7:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux
Replies: 52
Views: 1594

Re: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux

I thought Château Bel Air-Marquis d'Aligre would be an interesting experiment to parse the CT tasting notes. By the vast majority, I saw tons of tobacco and cigar mentions in a wine with all concrete aging. There were some mentions of cigar box still--with one example given: 5/30/2016 - WILLIAM KEL...
by William Kelley
June 28th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux
Replies: 52
Views: 1594

Re: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux

I did a Google search on this, and several sources mention the sweet tobacco leaf note may be just pyrazine character and more from just Cabernet Sauvignon not achieving full ripeness. If that's the case, why do I not pick it up with CA cabernet in which the winemaker isn't picking to make super ri...
by William Kelley
June 28th, 2020, 5:07 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines
Replies: 37
Views: 2502

Re: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines

Care to provide some detail on the Jancis “outing” for those of us who don’t want to listen to the podcast? I skimmed it and couldn't find it, so would be curious, too. As someone who works in the field, I'm as acutely aware of the shortcomings of contemporary wine writing as anyone, but, for all t...
by William Kelley
June 28th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines
Replies: 37
Views: 2502

Re: Jancis Robinson on the next cult wines

That's right. I've just found out that one major publication does pay for all flights and meals, which I did not know. Which one? The Wine Advocate . It's the same for Vinous , too. And I'm sure a few others. I believe that Brad Baker, for example, makes a point of purchasing all the wines he revie...
by William Kelley
June 28th, 2020, 10:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?
Replies: 58
Views: 2723

Re: Where's The 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne BdB?

Yeah, Taittinger was pretty much shut down entirely for a couple of months this Spring.
by William Kelley
June 27th, 2020, 11:26 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux
Replies: 52
Views: 1594

Re: Question about sweet tobacco/cigar box notes in Bordeaux

While this has something to do with varietal character, I second Mel in attributing this to élevage practices. He might be able to expand on the kind of cooperage choices historically prevalent in Bordeaux.
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 5:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Drinking Much 2003 Red Burgundy?
Replies: 42
Views: 1557

Re: Drinking Much 2003 Red Burgundy?

I find it much easier and more useful to discuss specific producers than to discuss a vintage in its entirety. This! I have enjoyed some 2003s recently. Best bottles of the last 18 months were Leroy Richebourg and Kalin Bourgogne Côte de Beaune Les Pierres Blanches. As others have noted, the wines ...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 10:21 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay

Nick Christie wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 9:55 am

I appreciate your interest and enthusiasm for these little intricacies of agriculture, William. They help my/our understanding of very much. Thank you for sharing and continuing the dialogue from the terroir thread :).
My pleasure! More to come...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 10:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 9:45 am
Thanks William
Are the Lamy vines Hautes Densitee?
Yes!
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 7:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)

Yeah, exactly that! Plus the work in rolling the canopy by hand, instead of just driving through a tractor with spinning blades a few times during the season to trim the vines. Very cool. One of the things that has stuck with me recently was something Armand Heitz of Heitz-Lochardet said on a recen...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 7:12 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)

One more question, sorry; what extra work is involved in maintaining these vines? You mentioned tractors being unable to enter the vineyard/do work when they're this tall, so is it just a matter of individual workers having to go in with backpacks full of spray as opposed to being able to do so fro...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 6:54 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)

And here are some pictures of one of Domaine Leroy's plots of Musigny, taken yesterday. They give a better impression of how high the vines are growing. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50047343482_129195dcc3_c.jpg Leroy Musigny (1) by WilliamGFKelley , on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/655...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 6:52 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay

Here is a map by Feng Tao, so you can see that Lamy and d'Auvenay's parcels touch in Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet, at the very bottom of the grand cru.

ImageCriots-Bâtard-Montrachet ownership / Feng Tao by WilliamGFKelley, on Flickr
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 6:49 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay

And one more thing that would be interesting, William, is to take some pictures with a measuring stick next to them. I have seen it myself, and the pictures don't do justice to how high it is compared to neighbouring parcels and there is no perspective in them. That will have to wait until I'm taki...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 6:47 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay

Again, thank goodness for actual wine writing! This should be interesting for all the wine geeks here. Don't know if this will actually make for better grapes, but the experiment is worth doing. I presume the treatment the D'Auvenay vines got before canopy management mentioned was copper sulfate, o...
by William Kelley
June 26th, 2020, 6:16 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)
Replies: 18
Views: 833

Re: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)

I want Beaujolais to feel like a Rhône Grenache as much as I want a Burgundy to feel like Rhône Grenache. Gamay might pull that trick more effortlessly than Pinot Noir, which is bound to feel just blowzy and pruney, but it still really isn't my cup of tea. I hear you. And I think many of the better...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 3:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)
Replies: 18
Views: 833

Re: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)

Thanks, William! I did find some information online saying that it comes from the same vines as the 3.14, but assumed there may be differences in the winemaking other than the ripe year. I still don't understand how I found that one bottle of 2015 3.14 (at K&L). Maybe it was labeled as 3.14 first a...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 3:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay

Thank you again for the fantastic pictures, William. As far as the conversion to this kind of canopy management - does it require a wholesale replacement of the trellising wire or post system? Is it a multi-year process or is it all accomplished in one growing season? Is this solely for higher temp...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 2:49 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet: Lamy & d'Auvenay (plus Leroy Musigny)

Continuing my informal series of vineyard photographs, here are some in Criots-Bâtard-Montrachet, taken by a friend of mine a week or so ago. I'll try to post a map giving the location of the two parcels. But in the meantime, here are the vines: You will see that both Lamy and d'Auvenay are followin...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 2:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)
Replies: 18
Views: 833

Re: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)

Hi, thanks for this nice report. I had Jules Desjourneys Fleurie (Chapelle de Bois) before (2009 and 2010) and loved it; is it related to this project? Yes, this is the label of Fabien Duperray, a longtime wine merchant (distributing producers such as Arnaud Ente, Coche-Dury, Jacky Truchot and Jean...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 2:20 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)
Replies: 18
Views: 833

Re: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)

I had some similar comments on 2018 Bouland. Quite ripe. I can believe that. I had a Bouland Chiroubles 2015 awhile back and while it wasn't overkill at 13,5%, the style was nevertheless a bit too ripe, sweet and modest in acidity for what I like in Chiroubles. I have one Bouland Morgon 2016 waitin...
by William Kelley
June 25th, 2020, 2:17 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)
Replies: 18
Views: 833

Re: French naturalistas and other curiosities (Foillard, Dauvissat, Desjourneys, Vini Viti Vinci, etc.)

Thanks for the notes, Otto. Do you know if Athanor is just 3.14 relabeled? Strangely, I got a single bottle of the 2015 Cuvee 3.14 (1 out of 4 on CT, so it seems that this wine hasn't really been sold anywhere) and can't find any information on it. Info on Athanor seems sparse too. I bought the Ath...

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