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True story. In the early nineties, a friend drove to Toronto to buy Petrus from the LCBO which at the time was less than half of what it was fetching in NY. He ended up with around ten cases of it from various outlets. As he was going back he stopped at customs. The officer looked at the cases, aske...

Robert M yers wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 12:30 pm
Comte is the French, Catalan and Occitan form of the word 'count'

Name does not check out.

Plural of Comte is Comtes. Even if there are only five of them

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BTW, had another splendid 06` yesterday on the 4th.
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So did I. Made it worse.

Agreed, and just changed protocols with the warehouse where I store wine. They are going to open every case of Taittinger, and I am having all the cases I bought in London opened before they leave the U.K.

To be honest, I am really pissed at this.

Opened the case this evening, and found there is a bottle missing. Never happened before, and as it was a UK import, not sure which vendor, so don’t think I have any redress.

Peter Hirsch wrote: ↑
July 4th, 2020, 2:39 am
I'd rather buy 1998. Trades around $500 or $600 all in at auction. 21 years along in development vs the 2019.

Good point, except that this may be the most monolithic concentrated Lafleur I have encountered. The tannins are powerful, and hope the fruit outlasts it.

Thanks, Jonathan.
Also thank Todd. Auction items are not usually permitted on the boards, but he kindly agreed to let it go forward.

J.Durham wrote: ↑
July 4th, 2020, 7:15 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 6:19 pm
Total Wine sold out of 2019 Pichon Lalande in all sizes.
I’m shocked they are still taking orders for Canon. That was the one that I jumped on given the excellent pricing

The three deals for me were
LMHB
Pichon Lalande
Palmer

Honorable mention
Mouton Rothschild
Pontet Canet

Just had some Waygu burgers from my man Blake the Butcher. The best burgers I have ever had at home, and by a good margin. If you live in Westchester NY, you need to know about this guy.

Well it looks like my local hospital has stopped feeding the front line workers. Proceeds to be donated to Jose Andres World Food Kitchen. A brilliant cause, combining getting restaurant workers back to work, and feeding the hungry https://wck.org/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6-qk1t2z6gIVkYvICh3OyQHFEAAYASAAE...

Bertagna VR Beaumonts 1972
Bertagna Petits Vougeot 1972

I had a few items left over from my Heritage auction in September, and this seemed to be a good way of disposing of them. There are some pretty desirable wines here which have been divided into five lots. Apart from the Margaux, the California lot is fun, and the Montrose 1970 is a bit of a sleeper....

ChrisStags wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 11:13 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 8:19 pm

CraigT wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 7:35 pm

Thanks Mark! What do you think about the price?
The price is excellent.
Wouldn’t say the price is excellent based off of two different offers I got for $100 cheaper per bottle.

Where are you finding it for less than $700 a bottle?

Jasper Morris writing about the 2008s scored it 98, the same as Dom, and just behind Cristal at 99.

Actually a really well written report, and for those Champagnes I have tasted, the scores were almost identical to mine. He obviously has a magnificent palate.

As others have pointed out, not a good choice when there are better wines available for less.

CraigT wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 7:35 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑
July 2nd, 2020, 7:30 pm
Definite buy. Without tasting.
Thanks Mark! What do you think about the price?

The price is excellent.

Definite buy. Without tasting.

Foolish child

Pending

3 bottles at $550 each.

https://www.winespectator.com/articles/ ... AmmlbyV0B4

100% agree and I'm including the vintage rose as well. Blake, Absolutely. And, the upcharge from the BdB to Rose is lower both $-wise and %-wise than most other prestige cuvees. Yep. I've got an 07` rose ready for the 4th. Every bottle has bottle stupendous. I may have to add an 06` BdB for some mo...

You don’t need to be an expert for that one. 2014 is clearly the better vintage generally, and very close to the three vintages you mention. I have not tasted the 2012 L’Eglise Clinet Or Trotanoy in bottle, but 2014 is quite good for both. I am a broken record on how good the 2014 VCC is, certainly ...

Dom Perignon 2010 is coming out at $185. Makes it easier for Kobrand to milk the US Taittinger market.

Chalk and cheese. VCC is quite traditional, has a brightness and energy to it, and makes for wonderful mature wines. Clinet is more modern and opulent, and doesn’t have the bright structure that VCC does. Or I think the aging capability that VCC has. I recently had a 1989 and it was perfectly pleasa...

Of the two, I prefer the 2011, which in a fairly mediocre vintage, really shows well.

Mike Hawkins wrote: ↑
June 29th, 2020, 6:41 pm

Howard Cooper wrote: ↑
June 29th, 2020, 6:21 pm
We are all eagerly anticipating the 2008 CdC. Just one little question - has anyone tasted it. Does it live up to this hype? Is it better than other vintages this decade?
Yes and yes. It’s superb. At least as good as the 95 and 96 at the same age

That is a pretty high bar.

Bordeaux is the only region where you can (99% of the time) buy as much of a wine on release as you want at exactly the same price (net of tariffs, taxes, etc) as everyone else in the world. In that sense it is by FAR the most transparent and liquid. I cannot agree with this. Prices vary much more ...

Pricing certainly feels attractive, and I did buy a very small amount. But I also perceive (rightly or wrongly, the data isn’t really available) that the market is being manipulated in tried and true Bordeaux fashion. Yes stuff is selling out, but on what kind of quantity? It seems that a few dozen...

Oh, here’s an example of lack of transparency in pricing regime: where are price adjustments coming from? We have five layers (producer, negociant, importer, distributor, retailer) in most cases if I understand this right. So the pricing optimization/market management could potentially come from an...

How is the market manipulated? If you want to buy the wine, you buy it. If it's too much money, you pass. The market sets the price. You mentioned Clinet. Clinet is a hot brand. Their production is small and every taster loved the wine. It's a serious Pomerol that is stil selling for under $100! If...

There was a general excitement when many ‘08s were released. The late release here may mean they have lost some momentum. I expect a UK price of $125-130.

I expect it to be higher here.

Pricing certainly feels attractive, and I did buy a very small amount. But I also perceive (rightly or wrongly, the data isn’t really available) that the market is being manipulated in tried and true Bordeaux fashion. Yes stuff is selling out, but on what kind of quantity? It seems that a few dozen...

The only wines I was unable to buy at the opening price were Mouton and Lafleur. I did buy end up buying one magnum of Mouton at 10% more than the opening, but the Lafleur was tied in with buying a ton of other products which I had no interest in, so passed.

How about some magnums of Forman?

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I cannot remember an en primeur campaign with this much excitement and buying, at least in this century. I looked at the number of wines sold out n the Flickinger site, and realize that for once, the Bordelais have got it right. Chateau Appellation 3x 750ml 6x 750ml 12x 750ml WA VM JS JD Pichon-Long...

Eric Ifune wrote: ↑
June 27th, 2020, 3:26 pm
I still have some of the 1978, but haven't heard of their wine for a long time.

Excellent wine. Had it last year.

In the early 2000s I went to Belair, home of overpriced wines, and traded Bobby 12 bottles of Maya for a beautiful magnum of 62 La Tâche. Wine was selling for about $6000 at that time, about the value of the 12 bottles of Maya. Invited several friends to a dinner built around the bottle. I had hear...

The only one I know about was not in 2019 but in 2018, and had nothing to do with Airbus dispute. So no, it does not count in the current conversation which is whether Europeans will retaliate if the administration adds new or increases current tariffs.

Trying to keep this apolitical but it looks like we have all the makings of a major trade war. It may be a distraction, but if it happens, it will do untold damage both in the near and long term. Umm...it's already a trade war, and has been that way for over a year. I beg to differ. It is not a war...

Lately I have been on a quest to find VCC 2014; it is now at four cases, the largest single holding in the cellar. Yours? I asked offhandedly if one of my sources had any more. I am now up to 67 bottles and three magnums. He has no more thank God. Just picked up some from storage, and will start tr...

Trying to keep this apolitical but it looks like we have all the makings of a major trade war. It may be a distraction, but if it happens, it will do untold damage both in the near and long term.

Calling all civ pro experts! Although it’s a court order, I’d guess that only Koch has standing to enforce it. The alternative would lead to a crazy state of affairs where anyone could claim a settlement agreement had been violated by the breach of a stipulated injunction, even if the original plai...

LMHB
Mouton
Palmer
Pichon Lalande
VCC
Langoa Barton (halves)
Figeac
Ducru
La Conseillante
Pontet Canet

OK-I'm done-I swear. More 375's than 750's: Pichon Baron Haut Brion LMHB Lynch Bages Lafite Cheval Blanc Branaire Ducru Leoville Poyferre Domaine de Chavalier Mouton d'Armailhac Duhart Milon Pichon Lalande Ducru Montrose Leoville Barton Talbot Brane Cantenac GPL Gloria Lagrange I have an issue... :...

ATaylor wrote: ↑
June 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm
Amex was the card company that got hit the hardest on charge backs from Premier Cru. They may well have simply put a global ban on accepting futures orders for wine shops????

I don’t think so. I have bought from three different stores in addition to Wallys and they have all accepted Amex

I recently bought some La Mission 2019 on line from Wallys, who then were not able to process he order. Apparently as far as futures are concerned (not wines already at the store) they were not taking Amex. Something to do with charge backs, although I didn’t understand what the problem was. I doub...

I recently bought some La Mission 2019 on line from Wallys, who then were not able to process he order. Apparently as far as futures are concerned (not wines already at the store) they were not taking Amex. Something to do with charge backs, although I didn’t understand what the problem was. I doubt...

YLee wrote: ↑
June 23rd, 2020, 4:13 am
Vcc is a pass for me.

You may regret this; VCC is repricing itself as its reputation rises. Even at $236, it is still a buy.

Two down. Hopefully that is it; but continuing our trap regime.

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