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PYCM were very well priced for their quality a few years ago. Now, at least in the US, they have gotten a lot more expensive. I recently bought Ramonet CM premier crus for substantially less than I would pay for PYCM premier crus (although the Ramonets were 2015s) and I like the wines of Ramonet mor...

I'm looking for some decent champagne glasses. We have some old Waterford crystal ones that are pretty but don't look like they are really made to drink champagne from. Any recommendations? I just looked at the Connoisseur Crystal ones from World Market bu they seemed too narrow. And the ones that ...

The reason these producers don’t submit there wines to AG anymore isn’t about the scores, and has everything to do about their interactions with him. I’ve done his overpriced and overhyped festa de deez nuts before and left genuinely disappointed in AG. I felt he was pompous (as do many earnest Pie...

From 2015 I’d consider: Angerville Champans Clerget Versueil or Caillerets Rossignol Caillerets or Chevrets Lafarge Chenes (might be a bit more than 150) Ramonet Chassagne Montrachet 1er Clos de la Boudriotte Barthod Chatelots or maybe Grunchiers Mugnier Clos de la Marechale The OP was looking for ...

I would say Musar is the most obvious. Didier Dagueneau when Didier was making the wines (Pouilly Fume specifically; I think all Loire SB, but I know others disagree). What about Tempier (for reds)? D'Esclans Garrus for Provence Rose, for sure, but the style is different from any other. Emidio Pepe...

I don't know how that works but being invited to a place like Schrader, sitting at a table with the winemaker or owner and saying something like, "yeah, I'm gonna give this one 88 points." for a cult $250 bottle of wine takes some cajones. At the same time, if that's how it works, the expectation o...

Congratulations to Eric.

The wines from Reinhold Haart look like great prices.
Schloss Lieser made absolutely great GKA in 2010.

The best producers of Volnay are Lafarge, D'Angerville and Comte Lafon IMHO. None of these are cheap and the wines need time to drink like the 13 year old wine you tasted. To me, the best value producer in Volnay was Dublere. His wines are a bit lighter than the wines above and not as long, but they...

Interesting that Schrader, Eisele and Maybach will no longer let him visit. Tom Realm as well Sorry if I missed it. Why? If a wine critic isn't banned from some wineries, the critic is not doing his job. If there is criticism to be had, I would criticize the wineries, not the critics. The critics a...

I can think of no other region where one producer (Rougeard) stands so far above all the others. Damn Yankees? Damn Rougeard. D'Yquem Egon Muller(sweet) / Keller (dry) Petrus ? Interesting supposition It is. As much as I love Keller, I really don't think their wines are that much better than those ...

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January 21st, 2020, 8:35 am
I can think of no other region where one producer (Rougeard) stands so far above all the others. Damn Yankees? Damn Rougeard.

Yquem?

Markus - Re Guiberteau - yes, this is just a chat about reds. We could start one about whites? Howard - you're absolutely right that Pinot Noir wines are not included, like other reds. Frankly, I know nothing about any top-notch PNs from the Loire. Which ones would be worth putting in? I don’t drin...

We will be in Lisbon for a couple of days in May. A hotel that has been suggested to us is the Hotel Santa Justa. Has anyone stayed there or is anyone familiar with this hotel? Thanks.

Expensive and has yet to wow me enough to justify continue buying. Tried 5x different vintages and gave up. Better than some on the posts above, but the price is a turn-off. While price and QPR should and obviously do impact buying decisions, should they impact classification? Would you leave off L...

Fosse-Sèche, Guion - they sound very interesting indeed and well worthy of putting in somewhere. Tasted their 14 and 15 reds and whites at Weygandt Wines a couple of years ago (Weygandt-Metzler is the importer into the US for these wines) and was very impressed. Looking forward to when the reds mat...

What about Domaine Guiberteau? Expensive and has yet to wow me enough to justify continue buying. Tried 5x different vintages and gave up. Better than some on the posts above, but the price is a turn-off. While price and QPR should and obviously do impact buying decisions, should they impact classi...

Clau de Nell - that's another interesting idea. Never tried it yet and perhaps one would need to see how the wines will be post-Anne Leflaive. I bought a bottle of this to try. I was going to drink it young to see if I wanted to buy more. But, when Anne Leflaive died, I decided to hold the wine to ...

These lists seem to be about red wines. Whites would have a different order with some of the same names. Also, the Loire is a huge and heterogeneous wine growing region. It is about 200 miles from Nantes to Sancerre. It actually is much narrower than red Loire wines. It really is wines from Caberne...

For me it is Ramonet Bernard Moreau Bouchard Pere My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore. If I had continued, 4. Dublere and Heitz Lochardet (tied) 6. PYCM 7. Moreau-Nau...

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Producers like Baudry, Breton and Joguet (and probably have a number of others) have a number of vineyard sites where the wines can vary a great deal. Does the idea of one rating for these estates (more a Bordeaux-like model) make sense for these wines or are they more like Burgundy where one site m...

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Bouchard

I am not sure that there is a better value in white Burgundy today than Bouchard's Meursault Perrieres.
That bottling is my #1 white Burgundy holding.
You’re the one that put me on to it, Howard. Thank you.
Love the wine and pricing remains reasonable.

Glad I could help.

David Glasser wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2020, 6:24 am

Bouchard

I am not sure that there is a better value in white Burgundy today than Bouchard's Meursault Perrieres.

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January 19th, 2020, 2:27 am

Buisson Charles

I have loved virtually every wine I have had from Buisson Charles but have very little of it in my cellar. Guess it just is not that available in these parts. Too bad.

Funny, you equate milkshakes with delicious and then go on to accuse the OP of possibley drinking too many “milkshakes”. I don’t think you got the point; milkshakes are a drink that is delicious but don’t offer a deeper experience We have a different experience of milkshakes. I love milkshakes, but...

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January 19th, 2020, 10:14 am
A valid case can be made that there are many more disappointments to be had with aged Burgundy than with young Napa Valley Cabernets.

Congratulations on passing the Bar.

I have had the Ampeau a few times. It is still quite good but I am not sure it is as good as it was a few years ago, although it could just be bottle variation. I would drink up.

[scratch.gif] [scratch.gif] Unobtainable???? I look at wine-searcher and the wines are widely available but it does seem like the prices are vastly different from place to place. We seem to be on the lucky side in DC. I was offered only 1 bottle of the Ruchottes and passed on the Chevalier Montrach...

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...

I can’t say that this red burg neophyte came away with an ability to identify a Gevrey-Chambertin Identifying wines as coming from a particular Burgundy village is really difficult. Our Burg group (with a number of longtime Burgundy lovers) once years ago did a blind tasting of Chambolle vs. Pommar...

Sounds great Mike.

That was certainly an omission, given that Moreau is arguably that site's best exponent today! I have 2014s from Moreau, Ramonet and Drouhin so I hope to test that issue someday side-by-side, at least from that vintage. However, I had a 2014 Ramonet last week that is going to be really tough for an...

For me it is Ramonet Bernard Moreau Bouchard Pere My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore. Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten arou...

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January 17th, 2020, 12:05 pm
This whole thread has cemented one thing in my mind. I own much less white Burgundy than I thought because I actually drink a ton of it...

Great reason.

- Cardeuse: monopole in red since 1952, from the southern end of Moregot, a contender for the title of best red Chassagne being made I have enjoyed his red villages CM a number of times but only tasted the Cardeuse for the first time a couple of years ago at the winery. Very excited that in the las...

Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten around to trying any of the wines. Are there any bottlings in particular that you think are a good introduction to the house style? The style is incisive, concentrated and elegantly textural. There's an I'll Drink To That po...

For me it is Ramonet Bernard Moreau Bouchard Pere My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore. Have been hearing a lot about Bernard Moreau as of late but haven't gotten arou...

Let me first state that I haven't had enough natural wine to firmly state whether or not I'm in or out. I've had some pretty funky ones that, quite frankly, I didn't like. I've never had a natural red that I liked, but whites have been closer. To me, so many of what I've tried had an oxidative sens...

For me it is

Ramonet
Bernard Moreau
Bouchard Pere

My numbers for each of these are much lower than for my top red Burgundy producers, which makes sense as I do not want to hold white Burgundies for long periods anymore.

Nice note, thanks Don I love Marc Colin's White Burgs......He no longer gets the accolades like in the past, which have now mostly gone to his son PYCM, but his wines to me are always superb, and they age well too......... This wine is better than PYCMs to me. Just a data point however. I like the ...

That said, I taste from Diam bottles all the time, and pour them for people all the time. I have had 3 bottles in 8 years that I thought were odd/weird/inhibited in a way that felt like the closure might be responsible. That seems like a terrific endorsement for DIAM. I assume that with wines close...

Last night, I had a 2018 grand cru Burgundy from a well known producer in Gevrey whose name I will omit to avoid giving him a bad rep. Raw, disjointed with no meaningful varietal characteristics noted because the harshness of the wine overpowered anything interesting that might have been hiding in ...

Turley Zins do age. Not sure they gain a lot, but they don't lose anything - at least when it comes to single vineyard releases. I just had an 08 Mead Ranch and it was great. Big and brambly blackberry fruit. No heat to speak of even though it's right around 16% ABV. I've heard that Carlisle and Be...

As I said above, I have had Bernard Moreau Bourgogne Blanc closed with DIAM.

Another data point. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=166562

Brady Daniels wrote: ↑
January 14th, 2020, 11:56 am

I highly recommend attending London EP. Between the tastings and meeting up with generous friends it’s like a MUCH cheaper La Paulee.

For better or worse, certainly one major difference is that the London tastings seems to be 2018s while the Paulee in NY in March will be showing 2017s.

Bernard Moreau apparently uses DIAM on his Bourgogne Blanc (at least that is what I have pulled out of the bottle). Not sure about his other wines - have not paid enough attention.

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