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Thanks so much for these reference points, Julian. I have a lot of the d’Aligre, but for the life of me, I don’t know how Ferriere fell off my radar. You really don’t see them much, so I need to actively seek them. If I recall correctly, it’s the smallest of the Classified Growths. I had a 3L of th...

Agreed

Popped another 2013 Torre on Thursday, finished the remainder last night. Sticking to my guns on this one, way over-oaked. And a damn shame as the underlying fruit is gorgeous. A very pungent vanilla coconut perfume on day one, which toned down in day two a little bit, but then out comes the heavy ...

My first auction purchase was Chateau Canon 1982. I was at an auction in Geneva, where we were living at the time, my French was pretty spotty, and I thought I had bought a case of Latour 1985. Instead I became the proud owner of two cases of the Canon. We drank a case and a half while we lived in ...

Jerry Hey wrote: ↑
May 22nd, 2020, 8:58 pm
I think I have 5 from an original release purchase at $110 a case. I should open one soon.

Boy, I overpaid for mine - $114 a case.

Mark Golodetz wrote: ↑
May 23rd, 2020, 3:24 am
Thanks Howard. Perhaps when this is over, but would prefer to drink Rossignol Trapet with you.

We can do that. I have a lot more than three bottles of that.

When I first heard the word super second in the 1980s, I thought of them being LLC, Palmer, Ducru and Pichon Lalande. At that time I would have thought that Cos was close and even closer than Montrose. A lot of that was because of how good the 1982 Cos was. Over the first 20 years or so after releas...

I still have 3 bottles of the 1982 Canon. Come to DC.

Interesting inquiry. So much goes in to making great wine. I'm also wondering what the difference would be if that Volnay Santenots plot dropped about half of the fruit when it was still green and only kept the nicest bunches and if the vine age changes the cluster development. I know yield goes do...

Do growers plant Pinot Droit anymore. I think of that as being planted by the parents and grandparents of current growers and not as much planted today (at least in better appellations) but could be very much wrong. If I am correct, does it make sense to rip out 30-50 year old vines that are Pinot D...

I love really good Champagne. But, there is an ocean of really thin, acidic, mediocre Champagne out there that I would never want to drink. In so much of France, these types of wines used to get by on name, but that has not been true for many, many years. Between more foreign competition and less dr...

I have had Ramonet's 2014 Morgeot several times now and have loved it each time I have had it.

Bouchard for me too but I haven’t had Jadot in the last few vintages and the recent reviews are great. I just put in for a few btls of Jadot Perrieres from Envoyer this afternoon. [wink.gif] I’m kind of wondering post DIAM here. Understand and it could make a difference. But, IMHO Bouchard is less ...

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Yes, throw them out of the Grand Cru classification. Some of you guys do not understand the rules of the Classification. First off, Grand Cru is not a classification. Saint Emilion is made up of 2 appellations, Saint Emilion and Saint Emilion Grand Cru. All vineyards in the Grand Cru appellation, i...

I am not on par with Mark, Keith and Howard with their expertise, but I do love Figeac and do not like Angelus and Pavie at all. Robert, I disagree with the first part. If we were talking Burgundy, I probably would agree with you. But, you probably drink 10-20 bottles of Bordeaux for every bottle I...

I don't think the poll is very useful. The values in California wines are not in grape varieties but in specific individual wineries or even wines. Wineries with wines that are relative values would include a lot of the old time classics including Stony Hill, Mount Eden, Heitz, Kalin, etc. I have a ...

This is what I posted in the other resurrected thread. My latest red burg vintage rankings based on recent drinking, with approximate stratification within tiers: I didn’t include 18 because I haven’t really had any yet. Note that the last 3 releases have all been within the top 7 vintages, it’s be...

The market doesn't agree either, but Meadows tastes a much greater range of wines than anyone of us here so who knows? Just as much as his 2011 rating the fact that he rated 2012 and 2014 as sort of ho-hum average vintages surprised me a bit. The 12 is an excellent vintage especially at the top. Th...

I would be happy to drink Bouchard’s Montrachet, Cabotte or Chevalier anytime. All are fabulous wines.

Yesterday was on a Zoom call with my wine group and opened a 2014 Ramonet CM Clos Saint Jean. Still young, but a really beautiful wine. Nose was almost Truchot-like. Love these wines. Yesterday had an Arlaud 2015 Bourgogne Roncevie. It was a nice bourgogne. Good richness. Started out a bit rough bu...

I have not had the 1998 Pavie or Angelus but these generally are very modern styled wines. I have had the 1998 Figeac and it is a beautiful wine that is more classical in style. Since more Bordeaux drinkers like modern fruit bombs more than classic wines, my guess is that the Pavie and Angelus woul...

Thanks for posting this William. Great content. Clos Vougeot would be my vote if that were feasible. Clos Vougeot would be fun... even if it would be a very long video! But why not. Will certainly do Clos Saint-Jacques, as that's easy. Perhaps also a more general one on Pinot Noir vine genetics: lo...

How about Character???! It is a far more interesting wine than the two new promotees. It has better terroir, and even though it is slightly glossier before, it is still n my opinion, a much better wine. As for scores, the last classification was pretty well correlated to Parker’s tired palate. I ha...

Yeah I feel like I underbought 17 reds after a strong 16 vintage; wish I’d gotten more 17 Marc Roy, Hudelot, Rossignol and Clerget and wish I’d bought less whites. At this point I’m not going to buy any whites that aren’t champagne. I way overbought 16 whites which I guess isn’t an awful thing but ...

Any similar pictures of the Bouchard section. Interested because it is the one I buy. Not to hand, but it's nicely farmed. This was really just an off-the-cuff exercise, but I'm encouraged to repeat it more seriously. Any other plots folks would be curious to virtually check out? There could be so ...

Thanks for the tip, Vince, glad you liked it - sounds excellent. Durfort is an interesting case which has mostly attracted the ire of critics over the years, especially RMP, because Gonzague Lurton appeared surprisingly unwilling to follow the herd into the dark side. He and his wife, Claire Villar...

Great post , William . Fwiw , Darviot does sell Meursault Perrieres . ( With my wine-club , we are collecting a lot of Perrieres to do a blind tasting of Meursault Perrieres 2014 , later this year ; that is how I discovered it ) . Papa Jean-Francois may be retired but he still works in the vineyard...

the wines of Bouchard to be rich and plump, and the wines of Drouhin to be the most elegant. Interesting, I find it exactly the other way. The 17 whites from Drouhin are quite fat and round, and a 13 Criots opened a few months ago for a pre-Paulee dinner was a massive dense wine that might not be r...

William, thank you for starting this thread. Threads like this are when this board is at its best.

We always talk about winemaking and winemakers as if the secrets are in the winery, while in many (most?) cases the secret is hard work in the vineyards. In fact, I think it's both. The differences between a producer such as Coche-Dury and a less conscientious domaine are just as massive in the cel...

Of the other big houses, I find the reds of Jadot to be the most muscular, the wines of Bouchard to be rich and plump, and the wines of Drouhin to be the most elegant. They all can make excellent wines. Some of the best values than be in Beaune premier crus and in Faiveley's Mercury. Envoyer has rec...

There are multiple eras of Faiveley wines - not just old and new. They have changed a good bit each time a new generation takes has taken over running the winery (although the changes cannot in my experience be dated from the exact times when a new generation has taken over). Some of my earlier Burg...

The interesting question that remains for me in all of this is how the wines age under Diam (or screw cap, for that matter). Being free of TCA or Premox is huge, but the experience we're all seeking is the 15 year old white burg that has aged into the astounding thing that didn't exist at 2-3 years...

We always talk about winemaking and winemakers as if the secrets are in the winery, while in many (most?) cases the secret is hard work in the vineyards.

German rieslings make up a significant part of my wine drinking and buying, as does Burgundy (white and red). The Padawan has grown into a full Jedi knight. champagne.gif [cheers.gif] [winner.gif] grouphug [snort.gif] Now we can get together, drink German wines and Burgundy (red and white) and talk...

So what are the pros/cons for 2005 and 2010? A pro for 2010 is that it will be drinkable in my lifetime. I think right now 2016 is underrated and often ignored. I agree re 16. There’s just not much of it out there. For my money, ‘12-14 are all underrated. All three vintages are very good—just overs...

The market doesn't agree either, but Meadows tastes a much greater range of wines than anyone of us here so who knows? Just as much as his 2011 rating the fact that he rated 2012 and 2014 as sort of ho-hum average vintages surprised me a bit. In the 10 years of 2008-17, the vintages 2009, 2010, 201...

The only 2011s I bought were for purposes of keeping allocations, etc.

like TCA, everyone has different levels of tolerance/sensitivity, so if one finds the wines enjoyable, that's great as the wines are relatively well-priced compared to other recent vintages. This is why I try to avoid the topic. BTW, the 11s are a lot better than the 04s. The 04 like note was prett...

Still think of Rossignol-Trapet. Also, Pierre Amiot. And, for reds, Ramonet (whites are great, but not underrated).

Would have Dublere up there but he has sold his winery.

Glad to read you are doing well. Did you lose your sense of taste and smell while sick? If so, try a St. Emilion for now. Save the burgs until you can taste well again!!!!

Great piece Hardy. Congratulations.

I clearly remember your prediction about me becoming a Burgundy wine lover within 5 years. I am grateful for my friends in Burgundy and elsewhere who have ignited and nurtured my passion for Burgundy in particular. It is just nice to know that once in a great while I can be correct. My prediction w...

Personally I think 2010 is underrated. Of course, everyone loves it, but it may well be the greatest vintage of my lifetime, and I am not sure it is being recognized as such. So what are the pros/cons for 2005 and 2010? A pro for 2010 is that it will be drinkable in my lifetime. I think right now 2...

Nice note. I actually have a bottle of their 2001 Trittenheimer Apotheke Auslese *** in the cellar. I think I will open it soon. I could never find much info on this winery. I am in a similar situation (but I actually tasted a couple of their 2001s early on at a store wine tasting). I have a bottle...

Nice note. I actually have a bottle of their 2001 Trittenheimer Apotheke Auslese *** in the cellar. I think I will open it soon. I could never find much info on this winery. I am in a similar situation (but I actually tasted a couple of their 2001s early on at a store wine tasting). I have a bottle...

I cannot believe they are masochistic enough to try this again. A lot of lawyers will be very happy to hear this. Anybody demoted will sue, and probably win. No methodology that has so much subjective input can be seen as objectively fair. If Angelus and Pavie can be promoted, so too can Figeac. Be...

Robert.A.Jr. wrote: ↑
May 15th, 2020, 5:41 pm
Sorta the point I was making but evidently not very well!

The 2009 Joguet Clos de la Dioterie is in a great starting point right now. Still has a long life before it with the structure and sweet chalky tannins, but it’s opening up quite nicely. I’d take this over most 2009 St Emilions. That does not say that much good about the Joguet. I have had very few...

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