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A lot of good answers. I really only have one thing to add. If you ever see a wine from the Nahe from the Staatsdomaine (this would be 1989 and before) grab it.

Is it possible that he did not leave voluntarily? Hard to see why one would leave Ridge voluntarily unless he gets an equity stake in his new venture. If he really wanted to make Napa Cab, why not get get Ridge to buy Napa grapes. Well, Howard..... I would guess the parting was a decision on Eric's...

That's my guess. Maybe he wanted out of Silicon Valley, not have to deal with driving up and down Monte Bello road every day, move to a more leisurely living area, and probably a big raise from some wealthy client. Iirc he lives/d out Santa Cruz way. Anyway, this has been in the works for years for...

Brady Daniels wrote: ↑January 25th, 2021, 9:33 am Never thought I’d see a $100 St Aubin.

Not being snobbish, it just wasn't a label-chaser's target.

Ramonet also

Brady Daniels wrote: ↑January 25th, 2021, 9:19 am
Robert Sand wrote: ↑January 25th, 2021, 7:21 am I still wonder who were the 4 that voted for 2004
Non-burg drinking board members with long memories and NO sense of humor?

fixed it

For me, it is easiest to rank vintages in groups:

top - 2010 and 2005

2nd - 2001, 2009, 2015, 2016, 2017

3rd - 2002, 2014

4th - 2000, 2007, 2012

5th - 2008, 2013, 2018

6th - 2006

7th - 2011

Last 2004

too heterogeneous to meaningfully rate 2003

Wholesale here jumped with 2017 vintage, up 20% on 16s then 18s have increased around 5%. Add to the increases our tariffs and you have a very substantial increase in shelf prices. What was once (not that long ago) a $50-60 bottle of wine is now over $100. https://www.calvertwoodley.com/wines/Huber...

RyanC wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 9:07 pm
Kent Comley wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 8:28 pm

Had a coupl eof 02s recently and there was a sweetness to the wines. Not my cuppa tea!
I find the same 02 sweetness—but I kinda like it!

And, this is Burgundy. Both people are correct, for their own tastes.

Zilliken is one of my favorite German wine producers. Lovely wines.

Kent Comley wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 6:45 pm Howard, reckon they were simmering 5 or 6 yrs ago.

Seems like prices have really gone up lately, at least in these parts.

Heads up. These wines are absolutely stunning. Riper and bigger palates than 2017 but expressing the sites well. I don't have the Grand Crus but many of the 1er crus. These are WOW wines. Different than the 2017s. They are more forward but extremely well made. They should age on their balance. The ...

Seems like Lamy is the newest hot producer with prices increasing a good bit recently.

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: ↑January 24th, 2021, 5:34 pm
I don’t need everyone to acknowledge that it’s a great vintage. I think it probably won’t be as good as 15 and I may prefer 17. That said, saying it isn’t a good vintage is IMO wrong.

Michael, have you tasted any Ramonet reds from 2018?

I am kind of fascinated with the five people who have voted for 2019. Obviously, these wines are still in barrel and very few wines have even been released yet. What have you tasted from barrel that has had you convinced that this is the best vintage. For me, Burgundies change so much the first coup...

I've been getting really into Champagne over the last few months (wine in general, but especially Champagne/sparkling). The other night I had a bottle of Charles Heidseick Brut NV, which is pretty highly regarded. The yeast/dough flavor was overwhelming to me and I didn't enjoy the bottle much. Gen...

I had some 1979 Canon but drank it long ago. It was very good. Glad to see it is still going strong. Was able to get a couple of bottles of 1979 Ausone for $25 in the early to mid 1980s when a store was going out of business. [In those days, $25 was a fortune for me to spend on a bottle of wine. And...

I don’t know about best, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the more northern 2001 reds. But I haven’t had many of the more recent vintages Welcome back Robert. It is great to see you posting here again. And, yes, I agree with you about 2001s. This may be one of the most underrated vintages I can ...

I was thinking the same thing as I have read through the comments on 2005 during this thread. coming from an admittedly early experience level with burgundy, I am not sure why a vintage that is still pretty much pleasureless 15 years after vintage would ever rate over a vintage that provides some a...

I was torn among 1984, 1987, and 1991 so I picked 2003. They are IMHO such ponderous wines that I just don't get any enjoyment from them. Also, I don't really know if I have had any 1991s, have had few 1987 and have not had a 1984 in a long time. Thus, 2003s and how much I dislike them are more fres...

Robert M yers wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2021, 5:57 pm Isn’t 01 which which is missing generally thought inferior to 02?

No. 2001 is actually a very good vintage.

2005s will last forever I won't. The issue to me is not which one lasts the longest but rather which one tastes best. I think there is some uncertainty for me and others as to when and if the 2005s will reach the potential we all originally thought. Do note, the vintage where I have the most reds i...

Tried these two new German Rieslings on Wed: 1. Schloss Lieser Thomas Haag Riesling Kabinett (Pradikatswein; A.P.Nr. 2589314 419; 8.5%; www.Weingut-Schloss-Lieser.De; SkurnikWines) Lieser/Mosel 2018 : Med.light gold color; lovely very fragrant R/mango/pineapple/floral rather pungent/Mosel valve oil...

My sense is buying wine for the birth year of a child is more for the parent and less for the child, who may or may not really care. You will get a lot more out of buying wine from the year you were married. I always assumed that that might work out to be the case. But, as my daughter approaches 21...

The problem with 12, at least for me was/is the price. It was much more expensive (secondary market) than 13 and 14 so I loaded up on the latter two. That's b/c it's a much better vintage than 13 and 14. However, I don't really know that it's priced that much more than 13/14. I've found 12 priced a...

Ian S wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2021, 12:54 pm

The near lack of bickering has me flabbergasted! I thought this would be a bare knuckles round robin event with everyone taking pot shots in turn.

Not with other Burgundy lovers. Just with the great unwashed.

I think the best '05s will reach greater heights. I think '10s will provide more enjoyment over their lifespan. Both are magnificent (in my admittedly limited and humble experience compared w/ many on this board). Count me in the camp that's bullish about '05s' trajectory. Most are still closed. Bu...

2005s will last forever I won't. The issue to me is not which one lasts the longest but rather which one tastes best. I think there is some uncertainty for me and others as to when and if the 2005s will reach the potential we all originally thought. Do note, the vintage where I have the most reds i...

2005s will last forever I won't. The issue to me is not which one lasts the longest but rather which one tastes best. I think there is some uncertainty for me and others as to when and if the 2005s will reach the potential we all originally thought. Do note, the vintage where I have the most reds i...

In many cases I may prefer the 09 now but it may not age as well. Above, I took the opposite position, believing that '09 will long outlive '10. I suspect the wines will find a way to prove us both wrong. Thats the funny thing about Burgundy. The more you know, the less you know. You say that as it...

Just a general Ceritas pinot question. Does anyone think that given their old-school style of winemaking, that any of the Ceritas wines will age (ex: 20-30+ years) like producers such as Hanzell, etc? I've been buying Ceritas wines since 2011 with the hope that they will. Obviously, they source fro...

Both my husband and I have difficult, though not impossible, birth years, mine being the harder of the two. Finding a bottle is nice novelty, but not an active pursuit. ha. My year is legitimately the worst of the 20th century. 1956. Only some Tokay decent. My kids did well and have cases of birth ...

Thanks for all the great suggestions everyone! Some posters asked why I am interested in liking Chenin at all, since I have had examples and been underwhelmed. The reason is that everything I read about it seems like it is a grape that should be up my alley. I have made my peace with not being craz...

Could someone please help me appreciate Chenin Blanc? There is so much love for this varietal among Somms and wine geeks, but I have to say that I just don't get it. The descriptions are of wines that are right up my alley. I should love it...I mean, it's versatility is interesting, but to me it se...

I picked 2010 because I visited Burgundy in 2011 and the barrel samples I tasted were the best young Burgundies I had ever had. Then, I went to a Paulee Grand Tasting and thought that the wines there were the best of any Paulee Grand Tasting I have attended (actually, this includes tastings I have a...

I know it is a very small sample size, but I am a tad surprised that 2015 is higher than 2016 in terms of votes. 2016 is such a small vintage that did not get a ton of buzz because of the frost, etc., at the beginning of the year. I wonder if a lot of people ignored the vintage because it was hard ...

What parts of Corton should be grand cru and what parts premier cru? https://yourwineiq.com/kindsofwine/winebyregion/europe/france/burgundy/cotedebeaune/cortonareas/corton.html I am thinking Le Corton, Clos du Roi and Bressandes would be Grand Crus and probably Pougets, Renardes and Clos des Corton...

Now this is getting fun.

What parts of Corton should be grand cru and what parts premier cru? https://yourwineiq.com/kindsofwine/winebyregion/europe/france/burgundy/cotedebeaune/cortonareas/corton.html I am thinking Le Corton, Clos du Roi and Bressandes would be Grand Crus and probably Pougets, Renardes and Clos des Cortons...

I am starting to have trouble with this thread. This is Burgundy guys and there is way too much agreement. I thought we were supposed to disagree about everything. grouphug Actually, I am really enjoying this discussion. grouphug A question though is how much of the admiration for vintages like 2002...

Is that the (retired) lawyer talking or the Wine Board Guru? I’d say the standard here is the pleading standard. Plausibility. But maybe we don’t even get there. Motion to dismiss territory? And the funny thing is, Neal is one of the Bordeaux 1%’ers on this Board to make the subjective call! He’s j...

There are 61 classified growths x 20 years = 1220 bottles. How many of those, and at what stage of development, would one have to drink -- full bottles, not 1 oz pours at a a UGC event` -- would one have to drink to answer the question posed? I drink more bordeaux than any other red wine, by far, a...

'82 probably in an apples-to-apples comparison but for current drinking I am finding many of the '82s tired and would easily select the '89 if offered. I do not disagree with what you are saying, but to me this raises a fascinating question. The 1982s provided really wonderful drinking for 30-35 ye...

The high votes for 1990 here speak well of 2009, which I think of as a modern day 1990. It is certainly the most 1990-ish vintage of the 21st century. To me, 2009 is 1990 on steroids, and not in a good way. That said, I would put 1982 first, 1989 second and 1996 third (at least for the left bank). ...

Ha, funny you should mention Poyferre as I also thought the 2009 Poyferre was pretty bad. But I think that is more about Poyferre than 2009 -- they always overdo their wines and try to make a right bank wine on the left bank. I usually find them overrated. I agree with them being overrated and that...

Tomás Costa wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 5:54 am Would Madeira be considered dessert?

There should have been a separate category for fortified - Port, Madeira, Sherry, etc. [Isn't most Sherry done using a solera system. Is it possible to drink a sherry with < 10 years of age?]

I think with time 2009 will be seen as great and better than 2010. Yes it's a warm rich "Napa" vintage but it's still very Bordeaux and that will become more and more evident with age. It reminds me of 1990. I am not a huge fan of either 2009 or 2010 but I think 2009 will always be hit or...

In my limited experience 2015 shut down in a way that 2009 didn't -- 2015 is "tougher" than 09. It does seem to me people are underrating both 2002 and 2009 a bit. But maybe it's just how good 2010 is that is sucking away votes from every other vintage. We have really been blessed with Bu...

James Billy wrote: ↑January 18th, 2021, 5:31 am

I got roasted by Howard last year for suggesting 2010 is an earlier maturing vintage. He's still on ignore since then, but I always click 'read post' anyway.

I highly recommend that you stop reading my posts.

If it wasn't for premox, I might have picked white Burgundy. So, I picked German wines with RS. It is an easy pick, actually. These wines are so great and are the best values in the world of wine.

I favor the earlier vintages. I think the jury is still out on the more recent. I actually loved 2004, more classic to my tastes, underrated, can find it for a fair price, and it ages well. 2005 was over-ripe and the more recent have been more hit and miss inconsistent for being over-done. 2000 is ...

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