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David_K wrote: ↑
July 13th, 2020, 10:48 am
Can someone tell me what is so special about the Julian Haart wines?

New kid on the block, therefore the "thing."

Don't get me wrong, the wines are excellent, but they are not some dramatically different/more interesting version of Mosel Riesling.

2011 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco Riserva Montestefano - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco (7/13/2020) Two years since my first bottle, and this is much more approachable. It’s still structured, but at least the entry and mid-palate has opened up, and it only clamps down on the finish. It...

I sense a Huet issue, that while the wines are still very good, the bloom will fall off the rose.

Ian Dorin wrote: ↑
July 13th, 2020, 8:21 am
So I'm really perplexed by this discussion, and the lack of mention about the new ownership?? Do we really believe that the Bouygues Family (who own Montrose) bought Clos Rougeard to turn it in to something NOT special?

Cynical view here: they want to turn it into a trophy.

Charlie Gierling wrote: ↑
July 13th, 2020, 5:50 am
And a vineyard that rarely appears on a label. https://weinlagen-info.de/#lage_id=1324

Thanks.

Yeah, it makes such lovely wine. I wonder why it so rarely shows up on its own.

Boxler has gotten much sweeter since the turn of the millennium.

Exactly Ian. 2003 is not the only vintage that has been largely left for dead.

2011 is another, and at the low end (estate Rieslings, Kabinett) it is just starting to round into form. The higher pradikats will need more time. Of course it was always a fine dry wine vintage.

Austria is the better bet for really dry, but again with the extract and alcohol you might interpret them as sweeter than you prefer.

Adam - have you read Riesling Rediscovered? If not, you should. It’s about dry Riesling in the northern hemisphere.

Quantity is about the same as before. I have stopped caring what I open. Everything is fair game.

With the lack of communication from Skurnik this year I have directed my advance purchases to producers from other portfolios.

Just ordered Vollenweider Kabinett and Spatlese this past week.

Though Barton is hardly a budget bottle.

Nobody really talks about Leoville Barton anymore. That’s too bad. I flagged it upstream as a “classic stalwart”. I’m with you, David, this is one of the greats. Not flashy, just a perfectly classic Bordeaux. More thinking about general tasting notes, and any buzz at all. I need to open a bottle - ...

Nobody really talks about Leoville Barton anymore.

That’s too bad.

2012 J & HA Strub Niersteiner Brückchen Riesling Kabinett - Germany, Rheinhessen (7/11/2020) Back in 1999 Terry Theise gave me a bottle of 1990 Strub Niersteiner Bruckchen Riesling Spatlese. That wine introduced me to one of the greatest value producers in Germany, but also to a really interesting ...

Thanks Tegan. Looking forward to following this wine across vintages.

I have been drinking late 1990s and early 2000s Pontet Canet, and there is nothing spoofy/modern about it. It’s classic Bordeaux. Can’t speak to what might have happened after 2004, as the price escalated beyond my willingness to pay, but until then it’s solid.

I figured out where I stashed my 2017s. I will need a backhoe and a team of stevedores to get to them.

Well thanks for taking one for the team.

I only have the single bottle.

Well at least now I know why I cannot find my 2017. I bought it, but never put it in inventory.

Baudry. I’d actually say they are the best overall producer given the quality and the breadth of their stable of wines. And that’s where I fall as well. How many bottles of Grezeaux can I get for one Rougeard? Granted my negative view of Rougeard is lately influenced by the decidedly mediocre showi...

Damn. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

As Robert said, to each their own. It doesn't upset me that there are a number of wines people used to buy cheaply (Allemand, Gonon, Rougeard, etc.) that aren't so cheap anymore. Have fun drinking what you like. Have fun wasting your money. $100 for rougeard is a waste of money? Man there are a lot...

I don’t know where I stashed my 2017s. So they are safe for now.

Excellent!

Nope. I have my regular sources. I tell them what I want, and then it shows up.

Not at all. Just pointing out reality.

BlaineRyanHunt wrote: ↑
July 10th, 2020, 4:24 pm
As Robert said, to each their own. It doesn't upset me that there are a number of wines people used to buy cheaply (Allemand, Gonon, Rougeard, etc.) that aren't so cheap anymore. Have fun drinking what you like.

Have fun wasting your money.

2018 Sandlands Red Table Wine - USA, California, Central Valley, Lodi (7/10/2020) Fascinating wine that transformed from a relatively simple, fruity quaff to a spicy, fruity, earthy combination over the course of two hours. Drink it too fast, and it could be easily dismissed. Only one bottle left t...

BlaineRyanHunt wrote: ↑
July 10th, 2020, 4:00 pm
David, you can buy the wines on release for $1-300, depending on bottling. I don't see how that's out-of-line for what most considered world class wine, and the best in it's region.

I bought it when it was $30-$70. Sorry. No.

Wines already cost more than they are worth, so why does it matter?

I also love this wine. In a zoom session I asked Jean Trimbach whether we'd need to wait until 2076 for the next Anniversaire, and after a slight pause he said that the 2016 vintage was so good that they made and planned to release a 390th, probably next year. cool news. I think it comes from a spe...

2011 Dönnhoff Riesling - Germany, Nahe (7/9/2020) Nine years post-vintage, and this is the best showing yet. Most of he baby fat of a ripe, lower acid vintage has faded, but the wine still shows a youthful core of peach fruit and cherry-studded pineapple. It’s starting to go through a petrol phase ...

Mike C. wrote: ↑
July 8th, 2020, 7:27 pm
How about the 2019 Austrian vintage? What have people been hearing?

https://www.skurnik.com/the-2019-austri ... ge-report/

My 2019 Hyde is waiting to be unveiled.

2006 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco (7/7/2020) Lot 9.120 Just starting to unfurl. For the first 30 minutes it was bottle sick, and a bit angry. The next 30 minutes it started to show more. Fast forward to 90 minutes and dinner is ready. So is the wine. Th...

Tonight: 2006 Produttori del Barbaresco 'Normale'

Getting there...we'll see in an hour or two.

Jay Miller wrote: ↑
July 7th, 2020, 12:14 pm
2012 M. Ollivier 'Clisson' Muscadet.
I was a little disconcerted to discover that it wasn't anywhere near as good as a spectacular 2012 Briords tasted 2 weeks ago.

Hmph.

I opened one in January, and it was glorious. Converted an entire room of Chardonnay drinkers.

Troy Stark wrote: ↑
July 6th, 2020, 2:43 pm
So which of the Grassl glass is best for all around use, the Liberte?

That's the one that I now use as my "all-purpose" glass at home. I do use the Mineralite as a critical evaluation glass, as the size and shape allow me to take a small pour and get very detailed information.

Interesting that I actually had this conversation with a respected California Cabernet winemaker today. He thinks there’s only one “cult” cab left, Screagle. There are lots of expensive wines, but none left that are cult status.

That’s what I call patience.

p.s. had a great FaceTime call with Dan Petroski this afternoon, where we discussed all manner of topics related and unrelated to Massican.

2018 Massican Chardonnay Hyde Vineyards - USA, California, Napa Valley (7/6/2020) About a year since my last bottle, and this has unfurled in a gorgeous way. It’s all orange zest and lemon cream, with an expansive, almost oily finish that carries a salty intensity and a bit of spice from the new oa...

Excellent wine and love the pork seasonings.

Been using Grassl almost exclusively for several months. The Mineralité and Liberté are working really well for me. The tasting glass is quite functional, and more likely going to be something I tote around. I've been wondering what the main difference is between the Tasting and the other glasses, ...

Skurnik hosted a Zoom with Rodolphe Péters. Anyone who is interested in the wines, and some additional discussion regarding special bottlings needs to find and watch the replay. Rodolphe has some firm opinions on a few things. I’m interested in his comments but can’t find the video. Care to summari...

Skurnik hosted a Zoom with Rodolphe Péters. Anyone who is interested in the wines, and some additional discussion regarding special bottlings needs to find and watch the replay. Rodolphe has some firm opinions on a few things.

Bereche Brut Réserve - yummy and a great value

Robert Dentice wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 2:33 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 1:49 pm
Thanks.
My pleasure, do you drink much of the top Breuer dry wines? Still trying to get my head around these wines.

No. Pricing is such that my local guys will only bring it in if I buy the full 6 packs. Too rich.

Kris Patten wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 2:11 pm

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Kris Patten wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Bordeaux Reds, Sauternes, and German Riesling Spatlese +.
Not sure I like the balance on a lot of 2018 Germans for long term cellaring.
I would trust Prum, Grunhauser, and Donnhoff and their history.

Well yeah, but just saying Spätlese+ is a bit broader.

Kris Patten wrote: ↑
July 5th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Bordeaux Reds, Sauternes, and German Riesling Spatlese +.

Not sure I like the balance on a lot of 2018 Germans for long term cellaring.

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