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by Cris Whetstone
January 19th, 2021, 12:09 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The Halcon style.
Replies: 24
Views: 984

Re: The Halcon style.

Don't see the muscles for Cornas. Have several times called it as Gonon Saint-Joseph. Interesting. I find it pretty powerful, but then again, I drink very little new world Syrah. I guess it depends on the vintage.... I think this is partially it for certain. I opened a '16 and '17 Alturas over the ...
by Cris Whetstone
January 18th, 2021, 12:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Have wine auction lots become much more scarce....?
Replies: 53
Views: 2116

Re: Have wine auction lots become much more scarce....?

I don't know about the overall market. It might be down. I don't play in top end Burgundy auctions. In terms what Victor was talking about at the top I definitely have seen a trend over the last couple years and very sharply this passed year of formerly looked-passed, bargain older school labels goi...
by Cris Whetstone
January 16th, 2021, 8:18 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pet annoyance with all the waiting list wineries.
Replies: 32
Views: 2759

Re: Pet annoyance with all the waiting list wineries.

We forget a lot that not everyone is selling to wine geeks. We like to know all the details and particulars about the actual wine. Lots of people just want to buy something that is exclusive and popular at the same time. Maybe. If you know enough to buy exclusive and popular, which is actually an o...
by Cris Whetstone
January 16th, 2021, 8:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged
Replies: 65
Views: 4196

Re: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged

Except to empty the bottle to put into recycling. I’ve never seen dregs quite like this. Sediment is one thing, 2” (or roughly 100 -150 ml) of gelatinous sludge is remarkable. In a bottle opened two and a half weeks ago in wine that seem pretty far gone? Hardly remarkable at all. Nature don't stop.
by Cris Whetstone
January 16th, 2021, 5:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The World's Biggest Wine Lovers
Replies: 34
Views: 1569

Re: The World's Biggest Wine Lovers

Not surprised the US is out of the top 20 at all. We've never had a wine culture here the way Europe does. It's even been looked down upon in some respects. I know very few people outside of my wine friends that drink much wine on a regular basis.
by Cris Whetstone
January 16th, 2021, 3:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Pet annoyance with all the waiting list wineries.
Replies: 32
Views: 2759

Re: Pet annoyance with all the waiting list wineries.

We forget a lot that not everyone is selling to wine geeks. We like to know all the details and particulars about the actual wine. Lots of people just want to buy something that is exclusive and popular at the same time.
by Cris Whetstone
January 15th, 2021, 8:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged
Replies: 65
Views: 4196

Re: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged

I can think of no use to looking at the remains of an overly aged wine some weeks after said wine was opened. It doesn't tell you anything other than the dregs have broken down into sludge. Which would be expected of course.
by Cris Whetstone
January 14th, 2021, 5:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2018 Ridge Evangelho (USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County)
Replies: 23
Views: 990

Re: TN: 2018 Ridge Evangelho (USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County)

Anyone on ATP go for the Wild Cattle Ranch offer? The vineyard is owned by Ridge's COO and the vines are 20 years old or so. Despite the 14.7 which for me is rocket-fuel territory I went for a case. I think it is the first time Ridge offered a vineyard designate from this vineyard which leaves for ...
by Cris Whetstone
January 14th, 2021, 11:43 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2018 Ridge Evangelho (USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County)
Replies: 23
Views: 990

Re: TN: 2018 Ridge Evangelho (USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County)

Just as a data point in the talking about the new oak level on this wine, I noticed it the first night but it faded overnight. I also really liked where it ended up overnight. One of the better recent bottlings outside the standard lineup from Ridge. 2018 Ridge Evangelho - USA, California, San Franc...
by Cris Whetstone
January 12th, 2021, 5:41 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rivers-Marie ‘19 Pinot Release
Replies: 134
Views: 11803

Re: Rivers-Marie ‘19 Pinot Release

No allocation, but I just signed up in 2020. Any idea if this is like a year+ wait thing, or they just give access to older members a few days early? Summa and Occidental are both great. I thought the 2018 Summa was a real standout. If you don’t get an offering I’d just email Will. I don’t think th...
by Cris Whetstone
January 12th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Rivers-Marie ‘19 Pinot Release
Replies: 134
Views: 11803

Re: Rivers-Marie ‘19 Pinot Release

Will Segui has a real gift, and his wines are just magic in how he can get the best out of the vineyards and the fruit. I look forward to these Pinots and feel fortunate to be on the list. Thanks for the TNs above. Will Segui is no TRB. At least not yet. neener Will handles logistics for Rivers Mar...
by Cris Whetstone
January 10th, 2021, 10:17 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP
Replies: 145
Views: 9097

Re: Horrible news about a Berserker - Frank Drew, RIP

That's awful. A very familiar name around here. Be at peace.
by Cris Whetstone
January 10th, 2021, 9:45 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Grand Crus Blanc de Blancs
Replies: 26
Views: 1753

Re: TN: 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Grand Crus Blanc de Blancs

Thanks for the note. I'm not a big champagne guy but I bought a couple of these to sock away. As I am innocent in the ways of champagne, I had imagined that it goes flattish if you leave it open for hours. Not so? How long can excellent champagne stay open before tragedy like that strikes? In gener...
by Cris Whetstone
January 6th, 2021, 10:23 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
Replies: 80
Views: 2045

Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6

OK. One more. 2012 José Michel & Fils Champagne Grand Vintage Brut - France, Champagne (1/4/2021) Enjoyed over three nights. Apple cider nose initially. Somewhat sweet tart on the palate. Soda like. But also sometimes nicely balanced. then the dosage would peek out somewhat. I think they could h...
by Cris Whetstone
January 5th, 2021, 5:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: "a crisis unlike anything the Champagne region has ever seen"
Replies: 46
Views: 3677

Re: "a crisis unlike anything the Champagne region has ever seen"

So if the producers do that, what do they do with all the grapes that they've grown that hasn't gone into making champagne? I guess sell them off for some revenue. Or here's an idea. Start making still wines. A fun fact is that prior to the latter part of the 19th century, most of the wine made in ...
by Cris Whetstone
January 3rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
Replies: 80
Views: 2045

Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6

I was piss poor at following directions so I'll include my best Champagne story. I've been lucky enough to have some really good wines. Including a well aged Krug Special Cuvee with the old red and gold label fairly recently. The one that sticks out to me though is the '76 Dom Perignon. It was at an...
by Cris Whetstone
January 2nd, 2021, 6:00 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: NV Graham Porto 20 Year Old Tawny (Portugal, Douro, Porto)
Replies: 23
Views: 977

Re: TN: NV Graham Porto 20 Year Old Tawny (Portugal, Douro, Porto)

I can't speak for Eric but I've had the Ferreira 20 yr Tawny in the company of him and Andy V. That's usually pretty good in this category. I've bought it for myself on occasion even thought I don't drink a lot of Port.

Also interested in the hearing about the Portuguese vs English styles.
by Cris Whetstone
January 1st, 2021, 7:19 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
Replies: 80
Views: 2045

Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6

My favorite find from last year. A good wine but really really strong in terms of value. Hard to find $40 Champagne better than this. 2008 Remy Massin Champagne Brut Millésimé - France, Champagne (12/31/2020) Tasty again. I noticed ripeness a bit more on the first night this time. Still bright and e...
by Cris Whetstone
January 1st, 2021, 12:20 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.
Replies: 252
Views: 10389

Re: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.

I suspect at least part of that is bottle shock. Also, if you store a wine for 10 years, that it moved once in its infancy is unlikely to make a huge difference. I expect it’ll make a much bigger difference for younger wines when any difference is magnified. Hopefully once you start drinking more o...
by Cris Whetstone
December 31st, 2020, 9:01 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.
Replies: 252
Views: 10389

Re: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.

I was hoping to expand on this. Maybe the "overrated" factor is due to the fact many of the bottles shipped out of France just don't wind up as good. In addition to the experience I described above,I also remember that when we buy the village Burgs in Burgundy restaurants, they are usuall...
by Cris Whetstone
December 31st, 2020, 8:15 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
Replies: 80
Views: 2045

Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6

Another Trader Joe's challenge. Buy this wine for $8 and I'll donate $10 to this charity. Basically, you're getting paid to drink a nerello mascalese rosè from the slopes of My Etna in Sicily that kicks butt. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. NV Zonin Rosato Sparkling Brut - Italy (12/31/2020...
by Cris Whetstone
December 31st, 2020, 8:14 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6
Replies: 80
Views: 2045

Re: Week 6 Virtual Tasting Series for Charity - Sparklers - Nate M for International Justice Mission - DEC30 - JAN6

My birthday treat with some spicy fried chicken yesterday. Save a glass for tonight. NV Krug Champagne Brut Grande Cuvée Edition 168eme - France, Champagne (12/30/2020) Opened 6 hours before consumption. This is tight out of the gate. But also fridge cold. It's mostly tight citrus with pastry notes....
by Cris Whetstone
December 31st, 2020, 10:58 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.
Replies: 252
Views: 10389

Re: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.

But then the question is, why do west coast wines have a harder time getting those other elements into the structure and flavor profile? Soil. Question is why can't the New World produce Riesling like the Germans, with few exceptions of course. All the sweetness gets in the way. [stirthepothal.gif]
by Cris Whetstone
December 31st, 2020, 9:23 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.
Replies: 252
Views: 10389

Re: Let's end 2020 with some fun! Controversial opinions- Burgundy is overrated.

I don’t think sweetness is exactly the right word although I get where it comes from. Gloss, or polish, may be a better descriptor. Perhaps. I think of it as more obvious/forward fruit. The other issue is that (to my palate) many of the US wines tend to have much lower tannin, which makes the fruit...
by Cris Whetstone
December 30th, 2020, 8:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: mini Champagne tasting: 2014 Courtin "Efflorescence"; 2012 Remy Massin Brut; NV Hebrart Rose
Replies: 15
Views: 529

Re: TN: mini Champagne tasting: 2014 Courtin "Efflorescence"; 2012 Remy Massin Brut; NV Hebrart Rose

Weird ... so Remy Massin changes-up the composition of their Special Club from year to year? Presumably based on what did best in any given vintage? Interesting, albeit frustrating/challenging for the consumer-buyer. Special Club is 'special'. It's not really a particular bottling in the way tete d...
by Cris Whetstone
December 29th, 2020, 9:51 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: mini Champagne tasting: 2014 Courtin "Efflorescence"; 2012 Remy Massin Brut; NV Hebrart Rose
Replies: 15
Views: 529

Re: TN: mini Champagne tasting: 2014 Courtin "Efflorescence"; 2012 Remy Massin Brut; NV Hebrart Rose

Thanks for the note on the Massin. I loved the '08. Best value of l2019 for me. So the '12 was a quick buy as soon as the Envoyer email dropped. Planned on waiting on them though. I bought their Special Clubs also which are funny because in '12 it's Pinot Noir but in '14 it's Pinot Blanc. I've tried...
by Cris Whetstone
December 29th, 2020, 9:33 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: TN: 2016 Baudry - Chinon "Le Clos Guillot" (France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon)
Replies: 13
Views: 736

Re: TN: 2016 Baudry - Chinon "Le Clos Guillot" (France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon)

Pyrazine and band-aid are nothing alike. I think there is a reduction element that Cab Franc can have that smells similar to brett. The thing is is that always fades. Brett doesn't. Some bottlings of Baudry definitely have a component that is brett-like and doesn't fade. That equals brett to me. I h...
by Cris Whetstone
December 28th, 2020, 3:31 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is wine cellar diversity all it is cracked up to be
Replies: 147
Views: 5793

Re: Is wine cellar diversity all it is cracked up to be

No wine diversity police here, Howard, but we do have diversity of opinion on all things wine . . . and that's a good thing. [cheers.gif] I respect diversity of opinion and respect very much the opinions of quite a number of people here. They are making excellent points for themselves and we can ha...
by Cris Whetstone
December 28th, 2020, 10:57 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged
Replies: 65
Views: 4196

Re: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged

Just to reiterate again - I'm not blaming the auction house, nor am I seeking a refund! I have bought at auction many times, even bottles noted with slight seepage. But I've never had a (red) wine with this color. The photos I posted is the same wine, two different bottles from the same auction. I ...
by Cris Whetstone
December 28th, 2020, 10:48 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Corison vineyard sources
Replies: 10
Views: 1312

Re: Corison vineyard sources

Welcome Cathy! [cheers.gif]
by Cris Whetstone
December 28th, 2020, 10:46 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Is wine cellar diversity all it is cracked up to be
Replies: 147
Views: 5793

Re: Is wine cellar diversity all it is cracked up to be

Much straw man. I think it's important to have tasting diversity in order to understand what you like. Cellar diversity isn't a goal for most people. Some people like to explore constantly so cellar diversity might a goal for them. For most of us we probably had much more diversity when we started o...
by Cris Whetstone
December 28th, 2020, 10:39 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged
Replies: 65
Views: 4196

Re: Auction purchase - wine beyond damaged

If you drink enough 'old' wine you run into bottles that have matured more than their peers. It's to be expected. That bottle certainly looks much more advanced that you should normally expect. That does not necessarily mean it was treated badly. Editing as you've given more info. If there was some ...
by Cris Whetstone
December 27th, 2020, 9:36 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: The zenith of score inflation?
Replies: 64
Views: 5323

Re: The zenith of score inflation?

It's difficult for me to consider Suckling a "critic" anymore and it's been that way for a long time. I think he's an 'influencer' without the trappings of being a trust fund, jobless college grad on Instagram. He promotes not only wineries making wines that will sell to wide audiences but...
by Cris Whetstone
December 27th, 2020, 12:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Embrace your cellar diversity
Replies: 114
Views: 4782

Re: Embrace your cellar diversity

Does anyone have clean data for the % of their wines that have each varietal or anything of that nature? Cellartracker also offers that report under the same menu as the regions. Some of which always throws me off because there is 'Champagne Blend' listed as a variety but of course a good portion o...
by Cris Whetstone
December 25th, 2020, 7:02 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Cellar Tracker wine scores
Replies: 75
Views: 4085

Re: Cellar Tracker wine scores

I view CT like I do Yelp— Yelp makes it super-easy to ID the users who can't be trusted. Not sure there is a CT equivalent of "My boyfriend took me here for our anniversary..." but I suppose complaining that your 9-year-old Mouton is too tannic comes close. CT does have a 'block user' fea...
by Cris Whetstone
December 25th, 2020, 11:31 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Embrace your cellar diversity
Replies: 114
Views: 4782

Re: Embrace your cellar diversity

42.7% France 37% USA 10% Italy 5.9% Spain 1.8% Portugal 1.7% Germany 0.6% Lebanon 0.3% Austria Wow, you mean you guys keep track of that! Just guessing but I’m probably something like this : France 60% Germany 20% Portugal (Port & Madeira) 8% USA 6% Italy 4% Spain 2% It's an easy, quick report i...
by Cris Whetstone
December 24th, 2020, 12:12 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Cellar Tracker wine scores
Replies: 75
Views: 4085

Re: Cellar Tracker wine scores

The scores are just one data point among many. If you use them as your number one source of info you're likely to have bad surprises come your way. As others mentioned for the average score you need some number of total scores before that is meaningful. The individual scores are just snapshot, dart ...
by Cris Whetstone
December 23rd, 2020, 6:50 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31
Replies: 63
Views: 2060

Re: Week 5 Virtual Tasting Series - Bordeaux - Jud Reis - Kijabe Children’s Education Fund - DEC 23-DEC31

Got a three pack of these for a song from an online auction. Just picked them up last week. Charity week looks like a great excuse to check them out. Pretty happy with these for $34 per. 1994 Château Cos Labory - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe (12/22/2020) Lots of depth of color still. Barely ...
by Cris Whetstone
December 23rd, 2020, 6:43 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Champagne Pouring/Serving Temperature
Replies: 16
Views: 1105

Re: Champagne Pouring/Serving Temperature

Yeah. The White Burg mention is probably good. There is some variability for quality and age. Just remember that you might have some top end Pinot and Chard in that bottle. Serve those too cold and you restrict the expression. For cheap sparkling that's good. For the good stuff you might miss someth...
by Cris Whetstone
December 22nd, 2020, 7:13 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
Replies: 166
Views: 5749

Re: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23

Funny that you added the other type of wine I had opened. I've been sipping on this Auslese over the last three nights. Maybe a touch faded tonight. Saving another glass for tomorrow. The Mazzoni is also doing great over three nights. Maybe a bit rougher in terms of heat and showing some cracks on t...
by Cris Whetstone
December 22nd, 2020, 6:59 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Jura style chardonnay
Replies: 14
Views: 968

Re: Jura style chardonnay

I think it's less about non-oxidative and more about trying to characterize the overall image of the wines. To say something is "Burgundian" in style has come to mean, whether completely truthfully or not, showing restraint in winemaking and 'letting the vineyard speak'. People have been u...
by Cris Whetstone
December 22nd, 2020, 4:28 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Goodbye, my friend... RIP
Replies: 24
Views: 3118

Re: Goodbye, my friend... RIP

A fantastic tribute for a giant in the wine world. Thanks for sharing and warmest of condolences. ...the one downside to an evening with Wilhelm Haag, is that not only was there no spitting allowed, but the bottle had to be empty there were five of them, and even with their very modest alcohol level...
by Cris Whetstone
December 20th, 2020, 2:10 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Flitering vs Decanting for older wines?
Replies: 23
Views: 1157

Re: Flitering vs Decanting for older wines?

I use a metal strainer if there are big chunks of sediment in the neck or the cork crumbled. I can't imagine using a paper filter. Then I 'decant' into the glass by pouring more carefully that I would with young wines. Stand up bottles ahead of time if that is an option. Doesn't happen often for spu...
by Cris Whetstone
December 20th, 2020, 10:56 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
Replies: 166
Views: 5749

Re: Week 4 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Get your Zinfandel On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23

Prompted by Brig I grabbed one of these to try on my last trip to Trader Joe's. Nice call. It won't change my habits but I would recommend this without hesitation to any non-wine geeks looking for a decent wine from the grocer. 2018 Cline Cellars Zinfandel Old Vines - USA, California, Central Valley...
by Cris Whetstone
December 20th, 2020, 9:18 am
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: New Corkscrew: The Durand .. A Web Video
Replies: 75
Views: 6490

Re: New Corkscrew: The Durand .. A Web Video

When I was pricing them a couple years back it turned out to be cheapest to order it from them direct. No one offers them at a cheaper price. No one else offers shipping included.
by Cris Whetstone
December 17th, 2020, 7:25 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
Replies: 166
Views: 5749

Re: Week 4 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Get your Zinfandel On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23

Next up, checking out another '18 Ridge before laying them down. I'll hit my cellar this weekend and find another Zin or two for the balance of the week. 2018 Ridge Lytton Springs - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (12/16/2020) Big ripe forward Zinberry fruits. Jumps up. Much more fr...
by Cris Whetstone
December 17th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: UPDATE U-TURN: Week 4 Virtual Tasting - Get your RHINE On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23
Replies: 166
Views: 5749

Re: Week 4 Virtual Tasting for Charity - Get your Zinfandel On - Brian Tuite - Redwood Empire Food Bank DEC16 - DEC23

I have to hit TJ's in the next couple days. I'll try one though my goes with Cline have not been great. I also want to try that Syrah Tom Hill is on about.
by Cris Whetstone
December 17th, 2020, 6:26 pm
Forum: Wine Talk
Topic: Dishwasher rinse aid
Replies: 35
Views: 1603

Re: Dishwasher rinse aid

I have noticed at times an aroma in glasses that have been washed in a washer. It tends to overwhelm the nose with a sort of mineral detergent thing. Maybe rinse aid helps to keep that from accumulating. Maybe it's the cause. People around me don't seem to notice it when I do. In a couple tries with...

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