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#1 Post by bmckenney » March 9th, 2015, 7:24 pm

I found nothing on this subject in the WB archives or with a Google search. Maybe this is a new subject that has never been posted before? [scratch.gif]

I've never really done this much in the past, but I might try it more in the future under ideal conditions. I've tried it before with a cab and a mouthful of beef but it didn't have much of a positive affect. Tonight I tried it with a traditional Greek salad and a Chianti and it was definitely a positive experience. While halfway through chewing some feta, olives and tomato, a sip of Chianti with a mouth swish was fantastic. After that traveled down the gullet, another quick taste with a couple of swishes resulted in a home run.

I often forget to incorporate a mouth swish when I drink wine for pleasure at home. But it's probably the most important aspect of the wine appreciation process. More so than stemware. And in some cases, swishing your food and wine together is rewarding too.
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#2 Post by Paul McCourt » March 9th, 2015, 7:33 pm

Not for me, thank you very much.
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#3 Post by dougwilder » March 9th, 2015, 8:22 pm

First Rule of what you do in your mouth with wine and food: You do not talk about what you do in your mouth with wine and food.
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#4 Post by Nolan E » March 9th, 2015, 8:23 pm

Alka-Seltzer and Champagne together is a flavor explosion!
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#5 Post by Ron Erickson » March 9th, 2015, 8:30 pm

I only see a lot of bad things "coming up" with this one.

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#6 Post by Ken Zinns » March 9th, 2015, 8:42 pm

dougwilder wrote:First Rule of what you do in your mouth with wine and food: You do not talk about what you do in your mouth with wine and food.
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#7 Post by bmckenney » March 9th, 2015, 8:42 pm

dougwilder wrote:First Rule of what you do in your mouth with wine and food: You do not talk about what you do in your mouth with wine and food.
So that's why there were no results when I searched the archives. But I did find lots of other weird topics on WB, so I figured there aren't any rules.

And pictures of dirty toilet bowels are far more disgusting than talking about swishing some food and wine behind sealed lips.

This topic is about the advancement of enjoying fine wine and food. I hope in the years that come, people will find this thread and learn something from it.
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#8 Post by dougwilder » March 9th, 2015, 8:51 pm

bmckenney wrote:
dougwilder wrote:First Rule of what you do in your mouth with wine and food: You do not talk about what you do in your mouth with wine and food.
So that's why there were no results when I searched the archives. But I did find lots of other weird topics on WB, so I figured there aren't any rules.

And pictures of dirty toilet bowels are far more disgusting than talking about swishing some food and wine behind sealed lips.

This topic is about the advancement of enjoying fine wine and food. I hope in the years that come, people will find this thread and learn something from it.
You just need to know where to look - I found this on Wikipedia: The toothpick is known to predate the arrival of early modern humans. It is the oldest instrument for dental cleaning. The skulls of Neanderthals, as well as Homo sapiens, have shown clear signs of having teeth that were picked with a tool.
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#9 Post by A. So » March 9th, 2015, 8:58 pm

Nolan E wrote:Alka-Seltzer and Champagne together is a[n] explosion!
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#10 Post by GregT » March 9th, 2015, 9:19 pm

I hope in the years that come, people will find this thread and learn something from it.
Start a blog! Wine and food pairing! A great idea.
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#11 Post by jacksreacher10 » March 10th, 2015, 1:35 am

I agree with GregT you can start your blog related to Wine and food pairing and also get good results in Google for your blog.

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#12 Post by Jeremy Holmes » March 10th, 2015, 2:53 am

Francois Audouze taught me to get a small amount of blue cheese and coat the palate with it. Then draw an aged dessert wine through the mouldy stinky mess in your cake hole. What an experience!
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#13 Post by Carlos Delpin » March 10th, 2015, 3:34 am

So let me understand this.

1. Put food in mouth and start chewing.
2. Stop chewing, open your mouth and insert wine into mouth full with partially chewed food
3. Somehow put the glass down without spilling the contents of mouth.
4. Chew, swirl wine with partially chewed food, and then swallow while creating simultaneously a food and wine pairing impression.
5. Repeat

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#14 Post by bmckenney » March 10th, 2015, 4:46 am

I'd add in a rinse step before the repeat, Carlos.

Are you kidding me?

Of course.
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#15 Post by Carlos Delpin » March 10th, 2015, 5:54 pm

Enjoy man. To each his own.

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#16 Post by Adam P » March 10th, 2015, 7:17 pm

Bryan, I too am a fan. It's this experience that opened my eyes to the wonderful world of wine in the first place. This is a tough crowd....
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#17 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 10th, 2015, 7:24 pm

IMO, if you're not doing this with your food and wine pairings then you're not truly "pairing" the wine with the food. I'll concede a half exception for those wines and foods that have a strong lingering presence on your palate after swallowing.
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#18 Post by bmckenney » March 10th, 2015, 8:41 pm

Good to see a couple more fans come out. But I don't think we have enough to support a blog yet.

In the name of science, I repeated the experiment again tonight. Same salad, same bottle of wine, and same result. I'd say it's conclusive, but not many are willing to admit it...
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#19 Post by M.Kaplan » March 10th, 2015, 8:51 pm

If you don't know (and you might not really care), drinking liquids with food in your mouth is considered to be a breach of etiquette in many cultures, including ours...

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#20 Post by Warren Taranow » March 10th, 2015, 9:12 pm

Why not just dunk your food in the wine glass?
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#21 Post by Rick.T » March 10th, 2015, 9:18 pm

Warren Taranow wrote:Why not just dunk your food in the wine glass?
It's done with cookies and milk. [snort.gif]
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#22 Post by Adam P » March 10th, 2015, 9:54 pm

I think etiquette goes out the window when I'm home alone eating some pizza and drinking myself a glass of wine... :-) especially when you discover something as magical as this.
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#23 Post by GregT » March 10th, 2015, 10:04 pm

M.Kaplan wrote:If you don't know (and you might not really care), drinking liquids with food in your mouth is considered to be a breach of etiquette in many cultures, including ours...

http://www.emilypost.com/home-and-famil ... le-manners
Yes but so is talking with food in your mouth and chewing with your mouth open. (Something that is shockingly common! WTF?)

OTOH, something came to mind tonight as I was trying to aerate some wine using the Nathan Myrvold technique.

Remember the Bass-O-Matic? Just dump a glass of Sancerre in there with the bass and hell, you don't even need to swish!
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#24 Post by M.Kaplan » March 10th, 2015, 10:13 pm

That would be Super Bass-O-Matic '76. [barf.gif]
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#25 Post by Jeremy Bartlett » March 11th, 2015, 3:26 am

If the contents of the Bass-O-Matic are then decanted into a neti pot and administered through the nostrils I believe this would enhance the experience immeasurably.

The neti pot has the added benefit that a small residue left in the sinuses would continue to give pleasure with a ‘finish’ that lasted for hours, if not days.

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#26 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 11th, 2015, 5:02 am

Warren Taranow wrote:Why not just dunk your food in the wine glass?
I dip pancakes in my 2007 Chateauneuf de Papes, en magnum of course.

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#27 Post by A. So » March 11th, 2015, 6:22 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:
Warren Taranow wrote:Why not just dunk your food in the wine glass?
I dip pancakes in my 2007 Chateauneuf de Papes, en magnum of course.
Stop wasting pancakes.
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#28 Post by Theodore Anderson » March 11th, 2015, 10:44 am

bmckenney wrote:
dougwilder wrote:pictures of dirty toilet bowels
Wow, that thread got even more disgusting huh?
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#29 Post by Ian Sutton » March 11th, 2015, 12:06 pm

There is one situation I will absolutely take a swig of wine when I've not yet swallowed my food - if the food was piping hot and I didn't realise it.
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#30 Post by M.Kaplan » March 11th, 2015, 12:21 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:There is one situation I will absolutely take a swig of wine when I've not yet swallowed my food - if the food was piping hot and I didn't realise it.
I believe that falls within the choking exception. However, don't take a swig of 2007 CdP in that situation; you may self-immolate.
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#31 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 11th, 2015, 12:39 pm

fwiw, the one time I had the opportunity to eat at Le Bernardin, my table was actually instructed to do this simultaneous wine/food thing with at least one of the wine-food pairings; it remains one of the most wonderful wine-food pairings I've experienced.

If anyone is avoiding trying this in the name of manners, I'd urge them to give it a try in the private confines of their homes --- perhaps when eating alone if they're afraid of offending their family members with their ghastly lack of manners.
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#32 Post by Tran Bronstein » March 11th, 2015, 1:15 pm

Bryan, you have somewhat the right idea but a professional chef and wine collector once explained to me that there is a proper way to get the taste sensations you are craving without stuffing your mouth full of food and swishing the wine with it as well and risking a big mess and uncouth manners.

He said that the best way to ensure the sensations of both at the same time was to take a sip of the wine first and swish it around gently to let it coat your palate. Swallow, then taste your food. Swallow the food and then immediately take another sip of the wine again.

This will allow you to have the taste of the wine alone as a control mechanism, so to speak, so you know how the wine is changed by the food as you experience the taste of both at the same time without getting chipmunk cheeks.
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#33 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 11th, 2015, 1:20 pm

Tran,
Yes, that does work, but sometimes not as well. Regardless, if simultaneously having wine and food in your mouth causes you to have "chipmunk cheeks," then you're doing it wrong. It's actually very easy to do without making the huge scene some folks seem to think is the inherent result of this activity: just take a small bite and a small sip, and there ya' have it!
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#34 Post by Reese Ferry » March 11th, 2015, 1:48 pm

You guys can laugh now but we'll all be calling it "mckenneying" in a month.. champagne.gif

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#35 Post by dougwilder » March 11th, 2015, 2:14 pm

Reese Ferry wrote:You guys can laugh now but we'll all be calling it "mckenneying" in a month.. champagne.gif
Followed by Heimliching... [stirthepothal.gif]
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#36 Post by Reese Ferry » March 12th, 2015, 8:44 am

Not to Debby Downer this thread too much but I was Heimliched last summer. NO FUN. For the record, I was not mckennying. Be careful out there folks !

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#37 Post by bmckenney » March 12th, 2015, 8:51 am

I think "stuffing and swishing" sounds better than mckenneying.
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