The Rising Price of Cornas

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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#201 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 27th, 2019, 8:57 am

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3 Domaine Vincent Paris Cornas "Granit 60" 2017
I've never quite been able to tell their Granit 60 apart from their Granit 30

Also it's Cote Rotie not Cornas but I have enjoyed Xavier Gerard, and it should be right around your price range (thanks Charlie :))
I like Gerard (and went very deep on his 15 Lala), but I should caution that his regular Cote Rotie isn't necessarily what I'd want from a textbook Cornas - it's a bit more polished.
How does his LaLa differ, if at all?
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#202 Post by Greg K » July 27th, 2019, 10:54 am

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I've never quite been able to tell their Granit 60 apart from their Granit 30

Also it's Cote Rotie not Cornas but I have enjoyed Xavier Gerard, and it should be right around your price range (thanks Charlie :))
I like Gerard (and went very deep on his 15 Lala), but I should caution that his regular Cote Rotie isn't necessarily what I'd want from a textbook Cornas - it's a bit more polished.
How does his LaLa differ, if at all?
I thought it was bigger, more tannic, had less of the polish the 15 regular bottling had and considerably more intensity on the palate. I haven’t had the 15 yet though.
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#203 Post by Arv R » July 27th, 2019, 1:33 pm

I actually agree with that Noah....I was having an 09 St Joe last night from Paret...and looked up their vineyard. It's crazy steep -- i think it gains 150m in altitude in a very short pitch. Its nuts that they can get something with that kind of labor involved to the customer for how little they charge. And you get pricey 100% new oak treatment too for the money :)
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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#204 Post by c fu » July 27th, 2019, 2:21 pm

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I like Gerard (and went very deep on his 15 Lala), but I should caution that his regular Cote Rotie isn't necessarily what I'd want from a textbook Cornas - it's a bit more polished.
How does his LaLa differ, if at all?
I thought it was bigger, more tannic, had less of the polish the 15 regular bottling had and considerably more intensity on the palate. I haven’t had the 15 yet though.
Probably do a separate post on this but the 15 La la is a monster. Definitely doesn’t have the sheen of the regular cote rotie. Really deep and full wine. Spends an extra year in barrel too. One of the best 15 n rhones I’ve had so far
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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#205 Post by Nick Gangas » July 27th, 2019, 3:11 pm

AS an aside, had the 89 Allemand Cornas a couple months ago. Really amazing wine and in great shape. Can't imagine syrah gets better than this.

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#206 Post by NoahR » July 27th, 2019, 3:14 pm

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AS an aside, had the 89 Allemand Cornas a couple months ago. Really amazing wine and in great shape. Can't imagine syrah gets better than this.
Obviously Nick, you haven’t had LaLa’s. I learned from Parker - Syrah can ALWAYS be better with more oak. Pairs well with sushi.
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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#207 Post by c fu » July 27th, 2019, 5:10 pm

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AS an aside, had the 89 Allemand Cornas a couple months ago. Really amazing wine and in great shape. Can't imagine syrah gets better than this.
A couple years ago we had a perfect btl of 89 Allemand Cornas, it was insane. But the 89 Chave next to it was one step better O_O
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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#208 Post by Matt vdM » July 29th, 2019, 4:40 pm

Charles Zedlewski wrote:
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For example the 2017 Paris Geynale ran me $40 just a few months ago and the 2016 Voge VV is only a few dollars more.
That's a terrific price, I'd be interested in your source!

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#209 Post by Matt vdM » July 29th, 2019, 6:01 pm

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I enjoyed a furry 2003 D-S Patou a couple of winters ago. Give your 2015 some time if you can

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Thank you for this comment and the link to an incredible thread! I just spent an hour reading it from the beginning, time well spent. The D-S is probably the most traditional of the Cornas I bought (whole cluster, no new oak) so your suggestion to give it time is well taken!

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#210 Post by Nick Gangas » July 29th, 2019, 9:43 pm

NoahR wrote:
July 27th, 2019, 3:14 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
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AS an aside, had the 89 Allemand Cornas a couple months ago. Really amazing wine and in great shape. Can't imagine syrah gets better than this.
Obviously Nick, you haven’t had LaLa’s. I learned from Parker - Syrah can ALWAYS be better with more oak. Pairs well with sushi.
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funny. Had an 89 Mouline a couple years ago at Berns. Did not dig. ( I know you're being sarcastic)

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#211 Post by Nick Gangas » July 29th, 2019, 9:44 pm

c fu wrote:
July 27th, 2019, 5:10 pm
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AS an aside, had the 89 Allemand Cornas a couple months ago. Really amazing wine and in great shape. Can't imagine syrah gets better than this.
A couple years ago we had a perfect btl of 89 Allemand Cornas, it was insane. But the 89 Chave next to it was one step better O_O
Mmmm. Have had the 89 Chave a few times. This was definitely better.

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Re: The Rising Price of Cornas

#212 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 4th, 2020, 9:12 am

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I've been a fan of the Alain Verset wines.
Ah, good one -- also currently available between $40-50 depending on the vintage and supplier.
Cracked a bottle of '14 Alain Verset Cornas and absolutely loved it - fantastic QPR - will be looking for more
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#213 Post by Alan Rath » January 4th, 2020, 11:59 am

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Cracked a bottle of '14 Alain Verset Cornas and absolutely loved it - fantastic QPR - will be looking for more
That is great to hear. I've bought a few bottles from Envoyer over the years, but have yet to try one.
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#214 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 4th, 2020, 12:42 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
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Cracked a bottle of '14 Alain Verset Cornas and absolutely loved it - fantastic QPR - will be looking for more
That is great to hear. I've bought a few bottles from Envoyer over the years, but have yet to try one.
Loved it - stylistically more on the funky side, like the 'trendy' producers such as Levet, though not as pronounced (more so than the traditional styles like Gonon or Chave)
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#215 Post by markjchambers » January 5th, 2020, 7:46 am

This is a fascinating thread. Especially for someone who has never tasted Cornas. Lots of CdP, a little Hermitage, and lot of Walla Walla
syrah (I assume they have little to do with Cornas). I would like to try it.

Could someone recommend a bottle (producer and vintage) that I might be able to find which would open my eyes to the possibilities? Is it easy to
find bottles that are ready to drink?

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#216 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 5th, 2020, 8:03 am

Mark, where do you reside, may help with some recommendations considering access to some retailers.
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#217 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 5th, 2020, 8:37 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Mark, where do you reside, may help with some recommendations considering access to some retailers.
Also, do you have a stylistic preference? Coronas is all over the place, depending on producer
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#218 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 5th, 2020, 9:17 am

Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
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#219 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 5th, 2020, 9:33 am

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Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Rhône Elitists like my buddy Charlie won’t waste any time on such a middling producer, but I think he would enjoy the wines, truly.
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#220 Post by Alan Rath » January 5th, 2020, 9:35 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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Also, do you have a stylistic preference? Coronas is all over the place, depending on producer
That Mexican Cornas is totally different stuff.
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#221 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 5th, 2020, 10:02 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:17 am
Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Rhône Elitists like my buddy Charlie won’t waste any time on such a middling producer, but I think he would enjoy the wines, truly.
He used to say the same thing about Gonon, and now likes it since the price is over $100!
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#222 Post by scott c » January 5th, 2020, 4:50 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
I drank a '94 VV last night and it was delicious.
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#223 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 5th, 2020, 4:52 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:35 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 8:37 am
Also, do you have a stylistic preference? Coronas is all over the place, depending on producer
That Mexican Cornas is totally different stuff.
That’s actually a beer
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#224 Post by William Kelley » January 5th, 2020, 4:57 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Am I misremembering, or does Alain Verset moonlight as Cornas' trash disposal guy?
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#225 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 5th, 2020, 4:59 pm

William Kelley wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:17 am
Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Am I misremembering, or does Alain Verset moonlight as Cornas' trash disposal guy?
That sounds like a really bad movie or TV show, like Trailer Park Boys.
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#226 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 5th, 2020, 7:15 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 10:02 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:33 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:17 am
Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Rhône Elitists like my buddy Charlie won’t waste any time on such a middling producer, but I think he would enjoy the wines, truly.
He used to say the same thing about Gonon, and now likes it since the price is over $100!
Funny...but also very true!
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#227 Post by c fu » January 5th, 2020, 8:42 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 10:02 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:33 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:17 am
Todd I liked your Alain Verset recommendation. The 05, 10 and 13 are solid.
Rhône Elitists like my buddy Charlie won’t waste any time on such a middling producer, but I think he would enjoy the wines, truly.
He used to say the same thing about Gonon, and now likes it since the price is over $100!
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#228 Post by Todd F r e n c h » January 5th, 2020, 9:09 pm

c fu wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 8:42 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 10:02 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:33 am


Rhône Elitists like my buddy Charlie won’t waste any time on such a middling producer, but I think he would enjoy the wines, truly.
He used to say the same thing about Gonon, and now likes it since the price is over $100!
bullllllllsssssssshhhhhiitttttttttttt
Tell us how much you loved it when it was $35.00!
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#229 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 6th, 2020, 4:16 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 9:09 pm
c fu wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 8:42 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 10:02 am


He used to say the same thing about Gonon, and now likes it since the price is over $100!
bullllllllsssssssshhhhhiitttttttttttt
Tell us how much you loved it when it was $35.00!
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