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Bordeaux 2016 vs 2018

#1 Post by Chris Atkins » August 23rd, 2019, 7:25 am

Bordeaux 2016 vs 2018.

Without the luxury of tasting these, but tempted like never before to buy, what are the experts here at Berserker's thoughts on which vintage will reign supreme? or is it a toss up?

Thus far I have bought a case from each vintage, and now I would like to secure one more case from ONE of the vintages.

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#2 Post by mattccheung » August 23rd, 2019, 9:10 am

Pretty much going to be equally great after 20 years. Most likely 18 futures are cheaper than the 16s out right now, so I would prob save a few bucks and get 18.

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#3 Post by JonathanG » August 24th, 2019, 9:11 am

sounds like space is your limiting factor not money. Chateau Canon and Chateau Margaux, IMHO, are the best bargains for 2018 and are going to be fabulous in the long term. Save some money vs retail and get a case of one of those.
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#4 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 24th, 2019, 3:22 pm

There is a strong rumor that Lafite 2018 is going to feature a special label commemorating 150 Years of Rothschild ownership. If so, it will probably increase in price like the other two first growths who created one, Mouton in 2000 and Margaux who did a special label in honor of the last vintage of long time winemaker Paul Pontallier.
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#5 Post by YLee » August 24th, 2019, 8:37 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:22 pm
There is a strong rumor that Lafite 2018 is going to feature a special label commemorating 150 Years of Rothschild ownership. If so, it will probably increase in price like the other two first growths who created one, Mouton in 2000 and Margaux who did a special label in honor of the last vintage of long time winemaker Paul Pontallier.
I really like the look of the '15 Margaux label.
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#6 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 24th, 2019, 9:05 pm

I do too. Like many who went over annually to Bordeaux to taste wine en primeur, we got to know and like Paul. So I was planning to buy a couple of bottles, but the new bottling and price increase put an end to that.
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#7 Post by JonathanG » August 24th, 2019, 10:28 pm

The special label for Lafite 2018 is 100% confirmed.
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#8 Post by julianseersmartin » August 25th, 2019, 1:12 am

I'm surprised the consensus is that 2018 is on the same level as 2016. The weather describes a very different outcome, and the alcohol levels in 2018 are a good tell. Not for me, and I doubt anyone that likes restrained BDX will do well out of this latest vintage.

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#9 Post by Mark Golodetz » August 25th, 2019, 2:49 am

I think most people have not tasted 2018, so hard to be definitive. From the reports I have heard, 2016 a lighter but strong vintage is likely to be more to my taste.
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#10 Post by Jürgen Steinke » August 25th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Chris,

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#11 Post by Paul McCourt » August 25th, 2019, 2:29 pm

Chris,

I personally would buy more 16. BUT, that is absolutely meaningless for you. Probably not a huge difference in the vintage, from what I can tell. And I have no idea what you like, or even if you are planning on drinking them yourself, or what.
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#12 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 25th, 2019, 2:57 pm

$550+ Ch. Margaux is a bargain? Not in my neighborhood.
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#13 Post by YLee » August 25th, 2019, 3:01 pm

Hard to give advice on this question w/o knowing what you like. So I will just say get LCHB from either '16 or '18. 6 of 16 and 6 of 18?

Disclaimer: I havent tried '18 LCHB but few tasters recommend it.
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#14 Post by Chris Atkins » August 25th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Jurgen,

I am drinking not investing!

Just picked up 2016 Pichon Comtesse Lalande for $180 each.

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#15 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 25th, 2019, 4:04 pm

Chris did you buy any 2014 or 2015, and if so, what?

Pretty cool to have the luxury of these four vintages in the span of five.

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#16 Post by Howard Cooper » August 25th, 2019, 4:45 pm

Chris Atkins wrote:
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Just picked up 2016 Pichon Comtesse Lalande for $180 each.
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#17 Post by Craig G » August 25th, 2019, 4:49 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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$550+ Ch. Margaux is a bargain? Not in my neighborhood.
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#18 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 25th, 2019, 4:53 pm

Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:49 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
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$550+ Ch. Margaux is a bargain? Not in my neighborhood.
You should’ve been a country lawyer.
Not worth it. Not even close.
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#19 Post by Craig G » August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm

You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
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#20 Post by YLee » August 25th, 2019, 8:52 pm

JonathanG wrote:
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The special label for Lafite 2018 is 100% confirmed.
Where did you hear it is 100% confirmed?
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#21 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 26th, 2019, 7:53 pm

Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
These are very pricey objects, and reputedly do not appreciate like fine Bordeaux.

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#22 Post by JonathanG » August 26th, 2019, 9:02 pm

YLee wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:52 pm
JonathanG wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:28 pm
The special label for Lafite 2018 is 100% confirmed.
Where did you hear it is 100% confirmed?
My UK based wine dealer shared an email he had from Lafite confirming they will be having a commemorative label for their 150th.
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#23 Post by Alan Rath » August 26th, 2019, 11:46 pm

Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
Or a wife with a trophy pool boy
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#24 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 27th, 2019, 6:05 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 26th, 2019, 7:53 pm
Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
These are very pricey objects, and reputedly do not appreciate like fine Bordeaux.
I don't know. I hear the pool boy really appreciates the trophy wife. And, er, vice versa
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#25 Post by Tom Mann » August 27th, 2019, 6:31 am

2016 Pichon Lalande is absolutely awesome and up there with the very best of the vintage - tasted again at the chateau in April.

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#26 Post by James Gardner » August 27th, 2019, 6:35 am

er.. we need to correct this thread drift before it gets really out of hand

so here's a tedious return to the OP's question: here in the UK the consensus seems to be that 2016 left bank claret is likely to be a better long term choice than 2018. and as Tom says, Lalande 2016 is superb. happily many 2016s haven't increased in price since release.

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#27 Post by Jim Hartten » August 27th, 2019, 10:07 am

Chris, numerous great wines from both 2016 and 2018. Many here and elsewhere touting the 16 Pichon Lalande and I hear the 18 PL may be one of the top wines of the vintage and also selling for around $180 on futures. The 18 Canon ($125), Rauzan Segla ($115), Beychevelle ($84) and Domaine de Chevalier ($72) on futures are also highly rated wines at somewhat lower prices (in case price matters pileon ). It may ultimately boil down to the style of wine you most prefer - because the available choices are numerous! [cheers.gif]

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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 29th, 2019, 8:26 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:22 pm
There is a strong rumor that Lafite 2018 is going to feature a special label commemorating 150 Years of Rothschild ownership. If so, it will probably increase in price like the other two first growths who created one, Mouton in 2000 and Margaux who did a special label in honor of the last vintage of long time winemaker Paul Pontallier.
In all formats, including 375?

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#29 Post by Pat Martin » August 29th, 2019, 8:39 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 27th, 2019, 6:05 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 26th, 2019, 7:53 pm
Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
These are very pricey objects, and reputedly do not appreciate like fine Bordeaux.
I don't know. I hear the pool boy really appreciates the trophy wife. And, er, vice versa
Well played, sir. [notworthy.gif]
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#30 Post by Howard Cooper » August 30th, 2019, 3:54 am

Jürgen Steinke wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Chris,

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Agreed. Not sure why it is that the choices are only between 2016 and 2018 when there are vintages like 2005 around that already have 14 years of age on them.
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#31 Post by Howard Cooper » August 30th, 2019, 3:55 am

Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
Wouldn't it be his trophy wife who has the pool boy?
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#32 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 30th, 2019, 4:12 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 3:55 am
Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
Wouldn't it be his trophy wife who has the pool boy?
Define "has"
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#33 Post by Howard Cooper » August 30th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 4:12 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 3:55 am
Craig G wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 4:54 pm
You could have a trophy wife and a pool boy.
Wouldn't it be his trophy wife who has the pool boy?
Define "has"
You are in deep trouble if you need this defined. [snort.gif]
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#34 Post by Neal.Mollen » August 30th, 2019, 12:17 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 4:12 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 3:55 am


Wouldn't it be his trophy wife who has the pool boy?
Define "has"
You are in deep trouble if you need this defined. [snort.gif]
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