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Odd email from Aeris Wines re:2015

#1 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 2nd, 2019, 2:53 pm

This was a little more than interesting. Good job by Rhys/Aeris, but I wonder what happened.

Greetings from Aeris Wines,

We're writing to inform you that we've begun packing the most recent Aeris release and will be shipping these orders to arrive before the holidays. However, in tasting the 2015 Etna Bianco Superiore we've decided that it simply doesn't meet our expectations at this time. While most bottles are delicious, we have seen some variability among them. Because of this, we've decided that we would feel much more comfortable substituting the yet-unreleased 2016 version in its place. This is a difficult decision for us to make, but we think ultimately it will guarantee that you will have the best bottle possible. The 2016 Aeris Etna Bianco Superiore was recently touted by Ian D'Agata of Vinous Media as "Easily one of the best Italian white wines of the 2016 vintage." While we don't like having to substitute vintages, we think the exceptional quality of the 2016 makes up for the inconvenience, and we hope that you will agree. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact us. Thank you for your continued support.

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#2 Post by Ron Slye » October 2nd, 2019, 3:29 pm

I do not know the winery or the wines, but actions like this reflect a commitment to quality and customer service that is to be commended. It reminds me a little bit of the cork issue that Cayuse had with many of their 2015 wines. Such decisions are obviously expensive for the wineries in the short run, but I think (hope) that they are smart economically in the long run.

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#3 Post by Justin S » October 2nd, 2019, 3:34 pm

I had been reading a lot about Aeris bottle variation here on WB, so this makes sense. '16 is a better vintage for Etna IMO, so not a bad trade.
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#4 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 2nd, 2019, 3:41 pm

Don’t get me wrong. I applaud the commitment to quality from the Aeris/Rhys team. My QC brain is deeply curious as to what might have happened.
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#5 Post by Ron Slye » October 2nd, 2019, 4:01 pm

Oh yes. Sorry David. I did not mean to imply otherwise!

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#6 Post by Jeff Filippi » October 2nd, 2019, 4:57 pm

My guess, and it is just a guess, is that they tasted through the wines and some were delicious (as they wrote) and that the bad bottles tasted advanced. You can see the reviews on Cellar Tracker pointing to that problem with some of the 2014's.
Whatever the case is they did a good job in pulling the entire vintage and we can only hope that the 2016's don't start showing problems after another year in the bottle.

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#7 Post by Robert M yers » October 2nd, 2019, 6:36 pm

Ron Slye wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 3:29 pm
I do not know the winery or the wines, but actions like this reflect a commitment to quality and customer service that is to be commended. It reminds me a little bit of the cork issue that Cayuse had with many of their 2015 wines. Such decisions are obviously expensive for the wineries in the short run, but I think (hope) that they are smart economically in the long run.
I bet Cayuse would have had an insurance claim, where this seems like they just weren’t happy about the quality.

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#8 Post by Jeremy C » October 2nd, 2019, 7:19 pm

Has Kevin previously addressed any concerns about the 2014 vintage?
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#9 Post by Ian S » October 2nd, 2019, 7:25 pm

Odd, but wonderful.
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#10 Post by R_Gilbane » October 2nd, 2019, 7:27 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 7:19 pm
Has Kevin previously addressed any concerns about the 2014 vintage?
Would be awesome to get a refund on the 14s. The bottles I had were deeply troubled.
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#11 Post by R Roberts » October 2nd, 2019, 8:18 pm

I don't buy white Burgundy because I don't want to play roulette. While I haven't opened my 2014s, the notes have been mixed, and now this. Somewhat troubling. It would be good to know if the issue(s) were resolved in 2016 going forward.
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#12 Post by Jeremy C » October 2nd, 2019, 8:20 pm

R_Gilbane wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 7:27 pm
Jeremy C wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 7:19 pm
Has Kevin previously addressed any concerns about the 2014 vintage?
Would be awesome to get a refund on the 14s. The bottles I had were deeply troubled.
I encourage you (and Diane et al) to reach out to him on this issue and report back.
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#13 Post by CarterBenjamin » October 3rd, 2019, 1:23 am

I nearly bought some 2014 on Winebid last week, but got scared off by the inconsistent reviews. Even at the discounted $30 (+ fees) a bottle I wasn’t throwing my hat in the ring. Many other consistent whites from etna to purchase before thinking about touching that.

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#14 Post by jgreco » October 3rd, 2019, 8:23 am

I have had a lot of bottle variation the 2014. One was excellent, one was oxidized, one felt more flabby and tired, and three more in the cellar. It definitely colored my ordering going forward. Never had an issue with Rhys.
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#15 Post by Robert Love » October 3rd, 2019, 9:09 am

jgreco wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 8:23 am
I have had a lot of bottle variation the 2014. One was excellent, one was oxidized, one felt more flabby and tired, and three more in the cellar. It definitely colored my ordering going forward. Never had an issue with Rhys.
Same. As a result, didn't order any 2015s.

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#16 Post by Chris Seiber » October 3rd, 2019, 9:57 am

Funny, I got the email but just assumed it was yet another “we are shipping now” notice and didn’t even read it.

I’ve opened two bottles of the 2014 and they’ve been wow wines, absolutely excellent, wines that I think almost any of us would like. So I’m pretty confident that if anyone disliked their wine, they probably had a flawed bottle.

I’m glad they’re doing this, I hope the 2016s are great.

If it’s oxidation, I hope they will consider screwcaps or DIAM enclosures. Why not?

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#17 Post by Kevin Harvey » October 3rd, 2019, 5:43 pm

Sorry for the delayed response! We have been wrapping up our Pinot harvest and are in the middle of the Centennial Mountain harvest of Nebbiolo, Nerello Mascalese and Carricante.

To clarify, The 2014 and 2015 Aeris Etna Bianco Superiores were bottled with lower sulphur levels than our standard. Most of the bottles are fine but there is more variation than we would like. If anyone is unhappy with their 2014 Aeris Etna Bianco Superiore, please let us know as we are happy to refund or replace those bottles.

The SO2 protocol was changed for the 2016 bottling and we have seen zero bottle variation (It arrived last year). It is a really fantastic wine that captures all of the best attributes of great Carricante grown around Milo (the Superiore zone for Carricante).

Meanwhile next year we will release our first wines (2017 Nebbiolo and Carricante) from Centennial Mountain vineyard. We are very excited to show customers what we have been working on for so long!
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#18 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 3rd, 2019, 5:53 pm

Thanks Kevin.
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#19 Post by R u s s e l l B e a r d » October 4th, 2019, 12:02 pm

All 3 of the 2014 we ordered and consumed were excellent! A pretty exciting project.

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#20 Post by Jim Brennan » October 4th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Thanks Kevin. Love the pragmatism!

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#21 Post by David Mc » October 4th, 2019, 2:41 pm

Kevin Harvey wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 5:43 pm

To clarify, The 2014 and 2015 Aeris Etna Bianco Superiores were bottled with lower sulphur levels than our standard. Most of the bottles are fine but there is more variation than we would like. If anyone is unhappy with their 2014 Aeris Etna Bianco Superiore, please let us know as we are happy to refund or replace those bottles.
Can you use "Etna" in the name? Since there is the real Etna DOC, is the name protected?
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#22 Post by Al Osterheld » October 5th, 2019, 8:34 am

The wine is from the Etna DOC.

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#23 Post by David Mc » October 5th, 2019, 8:40 am

I thought Aeris was declassified Rhys or other CA grapes he bought. Does he have vineyards in Sicily??
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#24 Post by Al Osterheld » October 5th, 2019, 8:50 am

Alesia is now declassified Rhys (used to be purchased grapes). They have a partnership with Salvo Foti in Sicily, have planted their own vineyards, and these Aeris Etna Carricante wines were made with purchased fruit from one of the top vineyards in Milo.

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#25 Post by Jeremy C » October 5th, 2019, 8:51 am

David Mc wrote:
October 5th, 2019, 8:40 am
I thought Aeris was declassified Rhys or other CA grapes he bought. Does he have vineyards in Sicily??
David, as Al stated, the wine is from Etna DOC and is not comprised of California fruit.

As an aside, I very much enjoyed a 2014 last night. It was fresh and lively and showed no hint of oxidation.
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#26 Post by David Mc » October 5th, 2019, 3:18 pm

Al Osterheld wrote:
October 5th, 2019, 8:50 am
Alesia is now declassified Rhys (used to be purchased grapes). They have a partnership with Salvo Foti in Sicily, have planted their own vineyards, and these Aeris Etna Carricante wines were made with purchased fruit from one of the top vineyards in Milo.

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Thanks Al. I love all things Etna so I'll give it a try.
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#27 Post by Dan Kravitz » October 5th, 2019, 4:51 pm

Well handled by Kevin and team, but the original note should have, pro-forma, offered the option of a refund vs a bottle of the 2016.

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#28 Post by Al Osterheld » October 5th, 2019, 5:15 pm

I believe it effectively offers that option in the last three sentences, although I agree it does not offer it explicitly. But, I'm pretty sure that anyone who contacts them with that request will have it granted.

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#29 Post by larry schaffer » October 6th, 2019, 9:28 am

Kudos to Kevin for getting on here and discussing this. Not a 'fun' conversation to have, but great to be around to explain why they are doing what they are doing . . .

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#30 Post by lleichtman » October 6th, 2019, 10:44 am

R_Gilbane wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 7:27 pm
Jeremy C wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 7:19 pm
Has Kevin previously addressed any concerns about the 2014 vintage?
Would be awesome to get a refund on the 14s. The bottles I had were deeply troubled.
As would I. This winery was a darling here for a while. Bought 3 bottles of 2014. I was good 2 were advanced so I just decided to never buy their wine again. Too much wine, too little time. [stirthepothal.gif]
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