What red and white Burgundies are currently in your cellar - by vintage

We have done a number of times the producers we each have the most of but I cannot remember doing this by vintage:

Red:

1 2005
2. 2010
3. 2009
4. 2008
5. 2006

Looking back at these, I think a few factors are in play here other than vintage quality. Surely, 2005 and 2010 are vintage quality. Certainly, older vintages are not on the list because I have been drinking them - of pre-2005 vintages, I have the most 2001s of anything, then 2002 and 1999 (wish I had more of these but they are drinking so well right now). I was not sure why 2006 got to be so high but I think the reason is twofold: (1) I bought a decent amount of Truchot MSD les Sorbes as this was going to be the last time I could buy Truchot young and (2) HAG purchases for the first time. Vintages since 2010 are lower on the list because of age - mine. I made a decision to cut back some after the 2010 vintage.

White:

  1. 2014 (by a lot. Love them and they are almost half of all my white Burgundies)
  2. 2016
  3. 2017 (could still go up some as I wonder if I will like 2018s)
  4. 2015 (I was in Burgundy in 2018 and found some Ramonet at good prices, very good prices)
  5. 2013

Really, it is 2014 first; 2015-17 fairly close; 2013 very far behind and then only a few bottles older than that some of which may be premoxed. This is keeping with my policy not to age white Burgundies that long anymore, a policy that will be severely challenged by the number of 2014s I bought. And, frankly, if I saw some well priced 2014s, I probably would buy more. Have little control.

Howard, this is an interesting thread. My numbers are mostly a reflection of the fact that I started by Burgundy buying in 2011 and, thanks to the en primeur system, buy mostly the same wines every year and occasionally purchase more heavily in vintages I like.

Red:

  1. 2015
  2. 2014
  3. 2011
  4. 2018
  5. 2012

If we excluded wines that hadn’t been delivered, 2016 would replace 2018. The only surprise for me was having 2011 rank so highly. While I’m not as bearish as others on the vintage, it is probably my least favorite red vintage since I started buying regularly. Hence why exercises like this are so interesting. In terms of vintages I’ve backfilled, I have the most of 2010 followed by 2009.

White:

  1. 2012
  2. 2014
  3. 2015
  4. 2013
  5. 2016

2012 is my largest holdings because I managed to find a very good deal on some Dauvissat grand crus and bought deeply while continuing to buy what I usually buy. I made special efforts in 2014 to stock up a little more given the quality of the vintage.

It is interesting that there are times where purchases of one or a couple of producers that one is able to find good deals on or sometimes for other reasons bought a good bit of end up skewing purchases by vintage. For example, I wondered at first why I have so much more reds from 2001 than from other older vintages when I don’t remember buying them originally in any greater quantity or drinking them less frequently than other vintages of the time. Then, I remembered the fact that in recent years I have been able to find Rossignol-Trapet 2001 grand crus at the winery at very attractive prices. That explains it.

Absolutely. I think this is particularly true if you tend to buy pretty consistently vintage to vintage and so less change is required to move a vintage up to the top of a list.

I practically don’t keep whites as I threw so many away in the last 15 years, but reds, here’s the top dozen, noting that I stopped buying to cellar with 2010, but still bought a whole bunch of 2012 and in magnum!

2005
1999
2010
2009
1998
2002
2006
2001
2008
2012
1996
2007

Actually a few bottles of just about every vintage to 1976 and a few oddments back to 54. Certainly well under 1k bottles these days…

Interestingly, your white list is almost identical to mine, though I have even less 2015 than you do (so switch 2015 and 2013). I think a lot of the 2013s are drinking pretty well at the moment, and I’d pull more from storage if not for, well…

Have you liked the Ramonet 15s? I have not.

Given our ages, my reds are mostly 2010 and up, with an emphasis on 2016 which I think is a spectacular vintage.

I’m a noob, so:

  1. 2018

  2. 2017

  3. 2016

    \

  4. 2015





    \

  5. 2014

Weighted heavily on ‘18 and ‘17. Though with ‘18 I did not buy heavily due to vintage concerns.

reds
2005
2002
2010
2006
2008

whites
2014
2017
2016
2015
2008

Reds:

2016
2017
2015
2014
2010

Whites:

2017
2014
2015
2016
2012

I commend you on your patience with the 1999s. They are so good.

I have had two Ramonet whites in recent months. I thought the villages CM was pretty good and well worth what I paid for it. I thought the CM Ruchottes was rich but a bit flabby and nothing special. I am hoping that my 2015 premier crus are just too young and plan to keep them for a while - hope that they develop like his 2009s did.

Reds:
2012
2014
2008
2002
2006
2001

Whites:
2014
2012
2010
2008
2013
2015

Due to various circumstances, I totally skipped the 2010 reds. Big mistake, and one I hope to remedy someday at auction.

We stopped buying new release reds around the 2014 vintage.

It’s possible, but I’m not optimistic - I thought the 15s were way too round and flabby, including a couple that I had blind. A shame after the spectacular 14s, though obviously the vintages are totally different.

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d’Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.

Interesting exercise. Just reds. I plan to pick up more 14s and 16s, when possible.

  1. 2010
  2. 2009
  3. 2012
  4. 2015
  5. 2005
  6. 2011
  7. 2014
  8. 2008
  9. 2016
  10. 2013/2003

Care to elaborate? Premox?

Reds
2015
2016
2005
2002
2014
Then it’s pretty close among
2012
2006
2010
2013
Not many regrets, although should have bought & kept more '99 & '01’s.
2017 or 2019 may be the final vintages of top red burgundy I buy in any quantity, just as 2005 was for all Brdx. I’m 50, and I know that’s not old, but I like most reds mature and I don’t want to be still waiting for bottles to mature when I’m over 70 (assuming I make it). Also, recent vintage prices are stretching the limits for some wines/ producers I like.


Whites, I’ve moved onto Ontario (or Champagne) to get my Chard fix, so I don’t buy white burgs in any real quantity - still no trust that pox isn’t the same threat it was 10 or 15 years ago. However, for interest;
2014
2016
2006
2012
2004
Don’t see this trend changing. Can buy really excellent local chards at a fraction of the price.

Interesting exercise. My 2 bottles of white Burgundy are not statistically significant and I’ve only included red vintages with 6 or more bottles. I theoretically stopped buying new release Burgundy with the 2010 vintage though I made a few exceptions. I just hope I live to drink all my 2005s :slight_smile:. I own more of those than I had realized.

2005
1999
2008
1995
1993
1998
2010
2001
2006
1996
2002

Great exercise when one is stuck at home.

Red only for now:
2005 barely scratching the surface
2010 went long on these but have not tried any
2009 opened a single Drouhin Amoureuses great but young
2008 opened 1-2 a year ago, not ready
2011 hoping these are accessible early like 2007 but haven’t tried any yet

Have consumed most 2000, 2002, and 2007 red burgs in the cellar.

Cheers,
Doug

Agree this is fun exercise while staying at home. Not enough white burgs for a meaningful sample.

Reds:
2010
2009
2012
2006
2005
2008
2011
2013
2007
2002

Cut back my buying in 2013 and 2014 vintages hence little after then. Have drunk many of my 2007s already as they are damn delicious.