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#4901 Post by Jonah P » October 1st, 2020, 12:45 pm

Sean S y d n e y wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:06 am
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October 1st, 2020, 10:51 am
I don't think anybody has said anything about "additional enzymes or other additives" other than your post.
They said they stabilized the wines, which I assume means all the wines. I don't know what that means, but that's the verbiage they used to describe it.
Unless you're talking about someone else, Bert just said filtered, not stabilized.
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#4902 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » October 1st, 2020, 12:51 pm

I might have to bite on #67. If #63 is $8-$10 I'm in. Love the autocorrect to "Knowll".
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#4903 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 1st, 2020, 12:53 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 12:37 pm
To those interested there have been new additions to the TTB COLA:

#39 2019 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 13.7% ABV
#57 2018 St. Helena Cabernet Sauvignon 16.2% ABV
#62 2019 Russian River Valley Chardonnay 14.3% ABV
#63 2018 Oak Knowll District Riesling 11.9% ABV
#66 2018 Napa Cabernet Sauvignon 14.6% ABV
#67 2018 Santa Cruz Mountains Cabernet Sauvignon 13.8% ABV
#68 2018 Sonoma County Cabernet Sauvignon 14.5% ABV
#69 2018 Napa Merlot 14.8% ABV
#71 2018 Calistoga Cabernet Sauvignon 15.7% ABV
#73 2019 Russian River Valley Chardonnay 14.5% ABV

Glad to see some more whites starting to pop up on offers.
I'd be in for either #39 or #67 just on ABV alone.

I wonder if #57 is by the same producer as #41.

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#4904 Post by Matt N » October 1st, 2020, 1:01 pm

#57 2018 St. Helena Cabernet Sauvignon 16.2% ABV

yikes!
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#4905 Post by MatthewT » October 1st, 2020, 1:03 pm

Matt N wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:01 pm
#57 2018 St. Helena Cabernet Sauvignon 16.2% ABV

yikes!
I'm in for 4 cases of that. Hope it's a 300 for 30
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#4906 Post by DavidR » October 1st, 2020, 1:06 pm

Signed up for this board on the back of some of the great info I've managed to pickup lurking this thread.

So far, I'm in for cases of OG's 17, 22, 40 and 51. Have managed to try OG's 1 and 6 and was pretty impressed.

Very excited for the chards to drop.
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#4907 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 1st, 2020, 1:08 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:03 pm
I'm in for 4 cases of that. Hope it's a 300 for 30
More alcohol = more better

All kidding aside, I did end up buying #41, so I don't know why I wouldn't also consider buying #57 as well. I guess a lot will hinge on CH's sales pitch.

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#4908 Post by Sean S y d n e y » October 1st, 2020, 1:10 pm

Jonah P wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 12:45 pm


Unless you're talking about someone else, Bert just said filtered, not stabilized.
"Yes, we should have announced earlier, but we are monitoring the weather across the country and are confident that shipping to Texas will be fine in this weather. The wine has been stabilized and will be fine in temperatures up to the mid-90s. If you have any problems, we will stand behind the wine. I will be happy to hold remaining orders for you in the meantime."
That was the quote in the e-mail of the other thread that Jason posted. Again, I have no idea and am not implying that I think they have done anything to any of the wines. I think it's just likely they used the word in an attempt to to instil confidence in a process that is, on its face, a bit of a shitshow.
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#4909 Post by Jonah P » October 1st, 2020, 1:39 pm

Sean S y d n e y wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:10 pm
Jonah P wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 12:45 pm


Unless you're talking about someone else, Bert just said filtered, not stabilized.
"Yes, we should have announced earlier, but we are monitoring the weather across the country and are confident that shipping to Texas will be fine in this weather. The wine has been stabilized and will be fine in temperatures up to the mid-90s. If you have any problems, we will stand behind the wine. I will be happy to hold remaining orders for you in the meantime."
That was the quote in the e-mail of the other thread that Jason posted. Again, I have no idea and am not implying that I think they have done anything to any of the wines. I think it's just likely they used the word in an attempt to to instil confidence in a process that is, on its face, a bit of a shitshow.
Thanks for clarifying. I haven't gotten a shipping notice yet and all my orders show "unfulfilled" on the website, so I'm hoping nothing has shipped yet, but I guess it might ship tomorrow. My only case of the first 13 is #5 and that was bought on a repost, so maybe I'm not in the first tranche anyway.
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#4910 Post by MatthewT » October 1st, 2020, 1:54 pm

DavidR wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:06 pm
Signed up for this board on the back of some of the great info I've managed to pickup lurking this thread.

So far, I'm in for cases of OG's 17, 22, 40 and 51. Have managed to try OG's 1 and 6 and was pretty impressed.

Very excited for the chards to drop.
Welcome David! You are just what we need right now during #ShippingGate

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#4911 Post by Mike Rotondo » October 1st, 2020, 2:07 pm

P@u1_M3nk3s wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 12:51 pm
I might have to bite on #67. If #63 is $8-$10 I'm in. Love the autocorrect to "Knowll".
Agree. Have to assume this is Trefethen, or at least from their vineyards. Trefethen cabernet was a recent Garagiste mystery wine, so it's not out of the question for them to be in the game.

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#4912 Post by Juliec » October 1st, 2020, 3:43 pm

DavidR wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:06 pm
Signed up for this board on the back of some of the great info I've managed to pickup lurking this thread.

So far, I'm in for cases of OG's 17, 22, 40 and 51. Have managed to try OG's 1 and 6 and was pretty impressed.

Very excited for the chards to drop.
Congrats. Lucky you got a wine tasting of 1 and 6, when was that... you are in an exclusive club. You should check out the posts from Andreas on this thread, he’s running a case splitter app group so you can try and find others to share cases with. (Especially for those you missed)
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#4913 Post by b. c@stner » October 1st, 2020, 4:46 pm

Just a thought on shipping. Is Wine Country Connect handling all of the shipping? Someone mentioned them upstream. That's the people behind wine.woot and casemates and they believe in shipping all summer, don't and won't hold any shipping. If that's the case, maybe they got Cam's ear on shipping guidelines??? Again, just a thought, no idea.
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#4914 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 1st, 2020, 4:52 pm

More likely it just costs more to hold for longer, or to ship everything out at once. This stuff doesn't have enormous margins relative to the cost of shipping, so corners get cut. As long as Cam still keeps selling out offers, he has no incentive to bend over backwards to accommodate everybody at once.

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#4915 Post by James Mc » October 1st, 2020, 6:01 pm

Soon we should start a “what dN wine are you drinking tonight?” Thread. Only seems fitting that MatthewT start that thread. Will be much easier to track tasting notes/comments/thoughts all in one place and keep this thread to offers. That way people dont have to sift through tons of pages between tasting notes and offers dropping.
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#4916 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » October 1st, 2020, 6:02 pm

James Mc wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:01 pm
Soon we should start a “what dN wine are you drinking tonight?” Thread. Only seems fitting that MatthewT start that thread. Will be much easier to track tasting notes/comments/thoughts all in one place and keep this thread to offers. That way people dont have to sift through tons of pages between tasting notes and offers dropping.
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#4917 Post by Leonard Maran » October 1st, 2020, 6:24 pm

16.2 Cabernet? No way in hell...probably why it’s here and not there.

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#4918 Post by MatthewT » October 1st, 2020, 6:40 pm

James Mc wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:01 pm
Soon we should start a “what dN wine are you drinking tonight?” Thread. Only seems fitting that MatthewT start that thread. Will be much easier to track tasting notes/comments/thoughts all in one place and keep this thread to offers. That way people dont have to sift through tons of pages between tasting notes and offers dropping.
I agree. I will do it now. Others have suggested and I think better to have tastings in that thread and new offers/general complaints in this thread.

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Done.

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#4919 Post by Rodrigo B » October 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Yours,
MatthewT, de Négoce cult leader
You should just permanently change your signature to reflect your leadership status in the cult for everyone Matt.

On an unrelated note, where do you stand on the pronunciation of de Negoce? In line with Cam or nay?
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#4920 Post by Leonard Maran » October 1st, 2020, 7:24 pm

I agree Matt.

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#4921 Post by HoosJustinG » October 1st, 2020, 7:44 pm

Step away from this thread for 40 pages and OOOOOOOOH BOY. Selling storage until a given date for a price and then knowingly (as in, they weren’t held in a third party storage facility and released early by mistake, this was as DN decision) shipping before that is an unforgivable mistake IMO. Given the current 100 degree heatwave in Napa, I’m not sure what in the world gave them the idea to just go ahead and start shipping... This would be chargeback material for me if a company basically just told me to kick rocks like that.
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#4922 Post by Peter Metzger » October 1st, 2020, 7:45 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:15 am
Peter Metzger wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:11 am
I haven't read through this thread, but why does it have almost 5,000 posts? Just Curious.
Because this is a cult [stirthepothal.gif]

A more serious answer to your inquiry:
There’s a lot of posts for many reasons. People here are really excited about this venture. There’s a thrill in buying a $150 for $18. People just love to post that they acquired a case of the latest offering. There’s also lots of activity discussing what producer potentially made a particular wine offered. Then there’s also spousal support where people discuss how they’re going to inform their SOs that over the summer the have acquired 30-40 or more cases of wine. Along those same lines there’s also lots of discussion on how people are going to handle the storage of said wines.
Thanks. So I guess I haven’t missed much.
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#4923 Post by MatthewT » October 1st, 2020, 7:52 pm

Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Yours,
MatthewT, de Négoce cult leader
You should just permanently change your signature to reflect your leadership status in the cult for everyone Matt.

On an unrelated note, where do you stand on the pronunciation of de Negoce? In line with Cam or nay?
No joke, I 100% agree with the way he pronounces it. It's how I did in my head from day 1. But I also am an ignorant American with no concept of how the phrase would read in a native language. Which I guess would be French?

But yah dey NEGOSHEY is how I say it.
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#4924 Post by MatthewT » October 1st, 2020, 7:55 pm

Peter Metzger wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 7:45 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:15 am
Peter Metzger wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:11 am
I haven't read through this thread, but why does it have almost 5,000 posts? Just Curious.
Because this is a cult [stirthepothal.gif]

A more serious answer to your inquiry:
There’s a lot of posts for many reasons. People here are really excited about this venture. There’s a thrill in buying a $150 for $18. People just love to post that they acquired a case of the latest offering. There’s also lots of activity discussing what producer potentially made a particular wine offered. Then there’s also spousal support where people discuss how they’re going to inform their SOs that over the summer the have acquired 30-40 or more cases of wine. Along those same lines there’s also lots of discussion on how people are going to handle the storage of said wines.
Thanks. So I guess I haven’t missed much.
I disagree. It's been pretty amazing. Ton of debate whether these wines are same/similar as the producer or knock offs and what the true value is. Lots of personal attacks as well, mostly against me. But Rodrigo got the rest right.
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#4925 Post by Rodrigo B » October 1st, 2020, 8:15 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 7:55 pm
Peter Metzger wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 7:45 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:15 am


Because this is a cult [stirthepothal.gif]

A more serious answer to your inquiry:
There’s a lot of posts for many reasons. People here are really excited about this venture. There’s a thrill in buying a $150 for $18. People just love to post that they acquired a case of the latest offering. There’s also lots of activity discussing what producer potentially made a particular wine offered. Then there’s also spousal support where people discuss how they’re going to inform their SOs that over the summer the have acquired 30-40 or more cases of wine. Along those same lines there’s also lots of discussion on how people are going to handle the storage of said wines.
Thanks. So I guess I haven’t missed much.
I disagree. It's been pretty amazing. Ton of debate whether these wines are same/similar as the producer or knock offs and what the true value is. Lots of personal attacks as well, mostly against me. But Rodrigo got the rest right.
Yeah, I thought about mentioning the personal attacks, but figured we don’t need to stir those up again.

Now that I think about it, is Cam finally going to release that $300 for $18 in honour of this thread’s 5,000th post? Should we just spam the thread for a bit to speed up the offer?
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#4926 Post by Rodrigo B » October 1st, 2020, 8:18 pm

MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 7:52 pm
Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Yours,
MatthewT, de Négoce cult leader
You should just permanently change your signature to reflect your leadership status in the cult for everyone Matt.

On an unrelated note, where do you stand on the pronunciation of de Negoce? In line with Cam or nay?
No joke, I 100% agree with the way he pronounces it. It's how I did in my head from day 1. But I also am an ignorant American with no concept of how the phrase would read in a native language. Which I guess would be French?

But yah dey NEGOSHEY is how I say it.
I do cringe a bit whenever Cam says it the way he does, but maybe I’m a bit snobbish that way? I don’t think Cam’s decision is wrong though. Most people aren’t going to be able to pronounce it properly, so why not just embrace butchering it? Just wanted an official verdict from our cult leader now that you officially accepted the position. Are we doing a crowing ceremony when the wines arrive?
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#4927 Post by michael_holmstrom » October 1st, 2020, 8:38 pm

Negoce Pronunciation:

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#4928 Post by DavidR » October 2nd, 2020, 6:43 am

MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:54 pm
DavidR wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 1:06 pm
Signed up for this board on the back of some of the great info I've managed to pickup lurking this thread.

So far, I'm in for cases of OG's 17, 22, 40 and 51. Have managed to try OG's 1 and 6 and was pretty impressed.

Very excited for the chards to drop.
Welcome David! You are just what we need right now during #ShippingGate

Glad you joined to post and please let us know what you think of the wines once you taste them.

Haven't gotten any shipment confirmations yet but luckily it's cooled down quite a bit where I am so, I'm not too worried about it either way.

Speaking of chards, that second one, listed at 14.5%!! I'm a little worried about how that might drink but I'm no Cali chard expert. Seems like that has to drink a little hot though no?
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#4929 Post by Frank Z » October 2nd, 2020, 7:53 am

Received a reply back from them saying they will hold my wines until Nov 1 (I’m in SoCal). I also inquired regarding their stabilization techniques and they responded that “our wines are sterile filtered which means they can withstand getting warm in the bottle without any damage. Unless the wine has seeped up and through the cork, it will not be damaged for either short term or long term. Cameron has shipped millions of cases in his career and is confident in this assessment.”

To more experienced people on the board - I was under the impression that sterile filtration was to help prevent microbiological spoilage due to contamination. How does this also prevent heat damage, or the wines being cooked?
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#4930 Post by DavidR » October 2nd, 2020, 8:25 am

Frank Z wrote:
October 2nd, 2020, 7:53 am
Received a reply back from them saying they will hold my wines until Nov 1 (I’m in SoCal). I also inquired regarding their stabilization techniques and they responded that “our wines are sterile filtered which means they can withstand getting warm in the bottle without any damage. Unless the wine has seeped up and through the cork, it will not be damaged for either short term or long term. Cameron has shipped millions of cases in his career and is confident in this assessment.”

To more experienced people on the board - I was under the impression that sterile filtration was to help prevent microbiological spoilage due to contamination. How does this also prevent heat damage, or the wines being cooked?
Not an expert on filtration but I would imagine heat exposure is a primary catalyst for microbial "bloom" if the wine is left un-filtered. This is where bret and other off flavors can come from.

I have really enjoyed "naturally" presented wines in the past including ones that claim to be presented unfined and unfiltered. I have found these wines to evolve more in the glass and from bottle age as well so I hope these DN wines are not excessively filtered.
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#4931 Post by Nate Simon » October 2nd, 2020, 10:10 am

Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Yours,
MatthewT, de Négoce cult leader
You should just permanently change your signature to reflect your leadership status in the cult for everyone Matt.

On an unrelated note, where do you stand on the pronunciation of de Negoce? In line with Cam or nay?
Not this again!
"In line with Cam?"
Well, since it's his company, and he came up with the name, and that's how he says it, that's how it's said.

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#4932 Post by Rodrigo B » October 2nd, 2020, 11:01 am

Nate Simon wrote:
October 2nd, 2020, 10:10 am
Rodrigo B wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm
MatthewT wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 6:43 pm
Yours,
MatthewT, de Négoce cult leader
You should just permanently change your signature to reflect your leadership status in the cult for everyone Matt.

On an unrelated note, where do you stand on the pronunciation of de Negoce? In line with Cam or nay?
Not this again!
"In line with Cam?"
Well, since it's his company, and he came up with the name, and that's how he says it, that's how it's said.
My whole comment was one in jest. Not one to discredit one form of pronunciation over the other.

I don’t disagree with you that Cam has preferences in how it’s pronounced. However if we are to say that Cam has sole authority to decide how it’s pronounced, then how do we balance that when we consider Cam’s public comments that the French way to pronounce it is “correct” pronunciation but he personally prefers his version?

This whole issue around which pronunciation is correct is nothing new in linguistics and always brings up a lot of debate. We don’t need to look hard in modern vernacular were multiple diverging pronunciations are accepted. We need only to look at country names as an example. Should we all start calling Germany Deutschland or Spain España, or Japan Nipon? What about other non english languages, are French speakers wrong when the refer to Deutschland as Allemagne? Are Americans just completely mispronouncing Porche? Jaguar? Peugeot? BMW?

I’m not making an assertion that one way is the “correct” pronunciation of something and that everything else is wrong. Rather, I take the linguistic approach that so long as a particular pronunciation of a name is widely used, accepted, and understood enough within a particular local then it’s a valid pronunciation of that thing.

I think Cam just decided to butcher the French pronunciation to simply make people conformable with pronouncing it the “wrong” way. Which is to say, I think that was the whole spirit of what Cam was trying to get at with his pronunciation of de Negoce is this: just pronounce it however the f*ck you want.
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#4933 Post by larry schaffer » October 2nd, 2020, 11:11 am

Here's the real question for those active on this thread and others:

How many of you regularly purchase a full case of many if not any wines regardless of price? I think it is an honest question . . .

I just want to put things into perspective if at all possible.

Most folks I know purchase 3-6 bottles max of most of their 'favorite' wines and I never hear of them purchasing many by the case - except if they are going to have a party or something. Variety is the spice of life, right?

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#4934 Post by Tom Chen » October 2nd, 2020, 11:18 am

Larry, I don't recall ever buying a full case of any wine. Like you said, it's typically 3 or 6 and sometimes even 1s and 2s, depending on price, etc.

As for these wines, every case I've bought (8) has been split in some ways (I'm keeping anywhere from 9 to 3).

Part of reason for these large quantity purchases is honestly the price and perceived value.

Based on what I typically spend per bottle, these are by far the lowest priced, so I can justify the purchases a bit based on what I would normally spend on 1 to 3 bottles.

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#4935 Post by Vince L. » October 2nd, 2020, 11:29 am

I have never bought a case of wine. I usually won't buy more than 3 - 4 bottles of a single vintage/type.

Granted I'm in on 4-5 cases of DN but range from 2 - 4 bottles per case that actually coming to me personally.

My father buys 2 buck chuck by the case ... but that's cuz its super cheap.
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#4936 Post by mattcitrang » October 2nd, 2020, 11:31 am

Looks like more shipments are on their way. Wine Country Connect printed more UPS labels for me this AM.

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#4937 Post by tpetty » October 2nd, 2020, 11:32 am

Same. I have never bought a case of a specific wine before. Now I've got 7 cases coming...
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#4938 Post by K Kl@dder » October 2nd, 2020, 11:43 am

Only bought a full case a couple times, usually because it's a great deal on a wine we love (Scherrer Quarantine Pinot deal) or super cheap. DN falls into the latter category. Love affair TBD. Got my first case today, OG#6. Planning to pop one tonight.
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4939 Post by Rodrigo B » October 2nd, 2020, 11:45 am

Larry, most of my purchases are or 3 or 6 bottles. But I’ll probably buy a handful full cases a year of a few wines. Those are purchased in full case format for a few reasons:

One is as you mentioned for parties/gathering. But for the most part its not a situation where I’m buying 1-2 cases for a party that upcoming weekend. It’s mostly because I know there will be several occasions over the course of a year where people will come over and I’ll want to serve them wine, so I stock up on a range affordable and reliable offerings to keep on hand so I can both serve them and provide enough diversity. It's also nice to be able to age these a bit and see how they evolve with friends and family.

The other part of my by the case consumption is there’s a few wines because consumption of it is just large and it’s easier to stock up a case at a time. Some of these are also part of the “party wines” I mentioned above, but some of them are things like champagne, or a relative’s favourite wine. It’s just easier to have a few reliable ones on hand for whenever and buying those by the case just makes sense for me personally. In line what that also a few favourites that are enjoyed both young and aged so in order to satisfy both ends of the demand curve I purchase full cases (or more) of them, otherwise they’d all be consumed early.

Then there’s also wines that I purchase by the case because of the way it’s sold and there's no other way to get it, BDX EP mostly, though now dN as well champagne.gif
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4940 Post by Mike G » October 2nd, 2020, 11:52 am

Ask and ye shall receive... N.50 posted, Walla Walla Cab.
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4941 Post by Tom H o l b r o o k » October 2nd, 2020, 11:53 am

larry schaffer wrote:
October 2nd, 2020, 11:11 am
Here's the real question for those active on this thread and others:

How many of you regularly purchase a full case of many if not any wines regardless of price? I think it is an honest question . . .

I just want to put things into perspective if at all possible.

Most folks I know purchase 3-6 bottles max of most of their 'favorite' wines and I never hear of them purchasing many by the case - except if they are going to have a party or something. Variety is the spice of life, right?

Cheers.
Fair question... Personally, I buy in case quantities of single wines in only a couple other instances....

Aaron Pott's Napa Cabernet has become an annual case buy.

The other common instance is when I find something at Costco that I know I like and is a good deal. Usually
that is a $10 Bordeaux daily drinker that punches above its weight. Although this week it was also a case of a $22 Margaux (Castelbruck) and a case of Cliff Lede Cabernet at $60. During COVID, we're buying in greater quantities at Costco to reduce the number of trips/possible exposures too. We try to keep it to one trip per month.

Negoce fits sort of into that Costco niche for me, but also with a bit of an in-the-know treasure hunt kind of feel.

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Re: de Negoce offer

#4942 Post by J. Patrick Lynch » October 2nd, 2020, 11:55 am

larry schaffer wrote:
October 2nd, 2020, 11:11 am
Here's the real question for those active on this thread and others:

How many of you regularly purchase a full case of many if not any wines regardless of price? I think it is an honest question . . .
Usually, I'll purchase a mixed case if its a smaller producer that I have to have shipped. For Bordeaux en primeur, my local shop offers half cases, so I usually go with that.

For dN, I am keeping 4 of each (41 releases) with the rest going to friends, family, and colleagues. I have recently been building out the California cab/pinot portion of my cellar, so this came at a good time. However, it's safe to say that I may have gotten carried away...
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4943 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 2nd, 2020, 11:55 am

Here were the notes from N.50 (https://www.vinography.com/2020/09/came ... t-it-again):
2018 de Negoce “No. 50 – Tank Sample” Cabernet Sauvignon Red, Walla Walla, Washington
Inky opaque garnet in the glass, this tank sample smells of black cherry and tobacco. In the mouth, black cherry, cassis, tobacco, and graphite have a smooth, even polished complexion. Faint powdery tannins coat the mouth. Excellent acidity. 100% Cabernet. 41% new oak. $165 on release under its own label. Score: around 9. Cost: $180 per 12-bottle case.

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#4944 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » October 2nd, 2020, 11:57 am

Rodrigo B:
#67 2018 Santa Cruz Mountains Cabernet Sauvignon 13.8% ABV
similar in specs to 207 Martin Ray SCM Cab listed today on Last Bottle at $26



TECHNICAL DETAILS
Country: USA
Region: California Central Coast
Appellation: Santa Cruz Mountains
Varietal: 100% Cabernet Sauvignon
Vineyard: Beauregard Ranch and Fellom Ranch
Winemaker: PRINCIPAL WINEMAKER: Leslie Renaud ASSISTANT WINEMAKER: Melissa Hackett ASSISTANT WINEMAKER: Raemy Paterson CONSULTING WINEMAKER: Keith Emerson
Aging/Cooperage: Aged in 60% new French oak for 16 months
Alcohol: 13.70%
PH: 3.78
TA: 5.8g/L
ABOUT THE PRODUCER
The name Martin Ray resonates deeply in the history of California Winemaking. Martin Ray was a pioneer, dedicated to crafting single varietal, region-specific wine from 1943 through 1972 in Saratoga, in the heart of the Santa Cruz Mountains. Mentored by Paul Masson, he took a Burgundian approach to his winemaking, and developed what is now one of the most historical properties in California, known as Mount Eden.

Nearly twenty years later, Courtney Benham stumbled upon 1500 cases of Martin Ray wine in a San Jose warehouse. Recognizing his good fortune, and his intent and drive to produce terroir driven wines, Ray’s historical significance and philosophy resonated with him. Courtney purchased the brand, and since 1990 has been committed to the production of artisanal wines worthy of the Martin Ray name.



In 2003, Martin Ray Vineyards & Winery made its home in the Russian River Valley, on the edge of Green Valley at one of the oldest continually working wineries in California. Today, Courtney and his winemaking team devote themselves to Ray’s ideology of making “wines of place”. By sourcing from hillside vineyards, they are relentless at telling the story of each exceptional appellation and vineyard. The depth of the portfolio offers those seeking a unique experience the chance to explore some of the most revered appellations in California. From our 12 acre Estate, to the mountain regions of Santa Cruz and Napa, to the northern reaches of Dry Creek Valley and Sonoma Coast, there is an abundance of phenomenal growing regions, great farming, and meticulous detail to vintages.
PAIRING SUGGESTIONS
For best pairing red meats are a must!! Prime rib, Filet Mignon, New York strip, the options are endless! Red meat not your thing Lamb or Ahi Tuna are another great option for pairing with this Central Coast Cabernet Sauvignon!
$40
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4945 Post by Timothy B a l l a r d » October 2nd, 2020, 11:57 am

2017 vintage

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Re: de Negoce offer

#4946 Post by Jspence24 » October 2nd, 2020, 12:01 pm

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Re: de Negoce offer

#4947 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » October 2nd, 2020, 12:02 pm

Bit on W2 Cab. I’m always a 1/2 to full case buyer.
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#4948 Post by Chris Crutchfield » October 2nd, 2020, 12:03 pm

Doubleback?

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Re: de Negoce offer

#4949 Post by Troy Stark » October 2nd, 2020, 12:03 pm

So No. 50 has to be either Leonetti or Quilceda Creek, right? Who else could it be?
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Re: de Negoce offer

#4950 Post by MatthewT » October 2nd, 2020, 12:03 pm

Obviously I'm in for a case on #50
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