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#1 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » May 25th, 2020, 12:58 pm

Today I received and read through the Mosel Fine Wines newsletter previewing the 2019 vintage. A more comprehensive report will be out with their next issue in June.

Because of the COVID lockdown there has not been a lot of reporting on how this vintage is shaping up. Seems like yields are down quite a bit due to weather extremes, but that the wines at the upper echelon have a quality comparable to that of 2001 from what MFW says. Curious for our fellow riesling aficionados on WB if this is what you've heard as well, and how you're planning your wine purchases.
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#2 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 25th, 2020, 1:01 pm

Johannes Selbach was quite enthusiastic about 2019 during a recent Zoom call.

I have no idea what I will do. I bet wine shops have little idea what they will do.
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#3 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 25th, 2020, 1:10 pm

I’ve been drinking quite a few already (Julian Haart, Keller Limestone, Bollig, Stefan Miller and Quint - Falkenstein have arrived but I am yet to open one). I am impressed so far, for sure it’s at least a very good vintage but you don’t drink vintages...

I will probably buy more than I plan to.
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#4 Post by J. Rock » May 25th, 2020, 1:11 pm

It seems like some people think this has the potential to be one of the best vintages ever, so that has me very excited. We're really spoiled with all of these recent vintages. I just did a horizontal 2018 Fritz Haag tasting (w/ a Zilliken thrown in too) yesterday, and the 2018s are already coming together and showing even better than I recall from 6 or so months ago.
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#5 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » May 25th, 2020, 1:18 pm

J. Rock wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:11 pm
It seems like some people think this has the potential to be one of the best vintages ever, so that has me very excited. We're really spoiled with all of these recent vintages. I just did a horizontal 2018 Fritz Haag tasting (w/ a Zilliken thrown in too) yesterday, and the 2018s are already coming together and showing even better than I recall from 6 or so months ago.
Good to know. I honestly was not been that enamored with the wines I tried from 2018 when they were first released, and for my palate prefer the 2017s.

This will be an interesting year in the U.S. for German riesling purchases for sure, between COVID and the import side being in disarray after the departure of Terry Thiese from Skurnik.
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#6 Post by Curtis Chen » May 25th, 2020, 1:20 pm

Fun timing. Spoke with Lara at Schloss Lieser recently. She loved the 2019s and said it reminded her of 2015. Harvested 40% less than 2018.
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#7 Post by R. Frankel » May 25th, 2020, 1:26 pm

I have to say I was excited by the MFW report as well. German Riesling has had a string of good to very good vintages the last few years and I’ve been buying pretty steadily. I’ve really enjoyed the 2018 Fritz Haag as well as JJ Prüm, Willi Schaefer, and Donnhoff. I will go heavier on 2019 for sure.
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#8 Post by Alan Rath » May 25th, 2020, 1:30 pm

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Fun timing. Spoke with Lara at Schloss Lieser recently. She loved the 2019s and said it reminded her of 2015. Harvested 40% less than 2018.
Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
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#9 Post by Andrew K. » May 25th, 2020, 1:32 pm

I was there days before the harvest and it definitely had been a tough growing season, but people felt like it was coming together nicely. Not that you can really trust the producers for an unbiased opinion, though. They are going to find something good about every vintage to encourage you to buy.
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#10 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:30 pm
C Chen wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Fun timing. Spoke with Lara at Schloss Lieser recently. She loved the 2019s and said it reminded her of 2015. Harvested 40% less than 2018.
Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
Just for my education, how so?

If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage.
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#11 Post by Kirk.Grant » May 25th, 2020, 2:10 pm

Looking to buy as much as I can reasonably afford. It's the year we got married, and given how long they age...these will likely be wines we can drink long into retirement.
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#12 Post by J. Rock » May 25th, 2020, 2:37 pm

I hope the MFW issue that comes out in June gives the Oe levels of all of the wines. I really love when they do that.
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#13 Post by eweininger » May 25th, 2020, 3:52 pm

J. Rock wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:11 pm
I just did a horizontal 2018 Fritz Haag tasting (w/ a Zilliken thrown in too) yesterday, and the 2018s are already coming together and showing even better than I recall from 6 or so months ago.
With apologies for the thread drift, is there any chance you have notes to share on these? And if anyone else has tried them, i’d appreciate their thoughts. Especially kabinett and spatlese wines.
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#14 Post by J. Rock » May 25th, 2020, 3:59 pm

eweininger wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 3:52 pm
J. Rock wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:11 pm
I just did a horizontal 2018 Fritz Haag tasting (w/ a Zilliken thrown in too) yesterday, and the 2018s are already coming together and showing even better than I recall from 6 or so months ago.
With apologies for the thread drift, is there any chance you have notes to share on these? And if anyone else has tried them, i’d appreciate their thoughts. Especially kabinett and spatlese wines.
I'll put up a separate thread tonight or tomorrow (a Kab and Spatlese were pretty closed yesterday, so I might wait until I revisit them tonight).
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#15 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 25th, 2020, 4:09 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm
Alan Rath wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:30 pm
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May 25th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Fun timing. Spoke with Lara at Schloss Lieser recently. She loved the 2019s and said it reminded her of 2015. Harvested 40% less than 2018.
Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
Just for my education, how so?

If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage.
Johannes Selbach did talk about 2019 being very ripe. Not really my sort of vintage.
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#16 Post by Alan Rath » May 25th, 2020, 5:21 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 4:09 pm
Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm
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May 25th, 2020, 1:30 pm

Hmm, 2015 is nothing like 2001.
Just for my education, how so?

If Lara is saying it reminds them of 2015, I may hold off buying from them this vintage.
Johannes Selbach did talk about 2019 being very ripe. Not really my sort of vintage.
That would be consistent with 2015 (in my opinion, though I know some people love the vintage). 2001 had (on release) plenty of intensity, but nothing overly ripe/flabby, with tremendous acidity, and lovely, complex wines. 2015 (again IMO) is much riper, more fleshy, sometimes over the top. Just too much for my tastes. So if 2019 is anything like 2015, it's not a vintage I would chase, and (again IMO) not a vintage I think will age well. Though I have read it does have good acidity, which will help.
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#17 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 25th, 2020, 5:23 pm

He was making comparisons with 1976 and 2003.
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#18 Post by Alan Rath » May 25th, 2020, 5:42 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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He was making comparisons with 1976 and 2003.
Wow, then definitely not my style.
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#19 Post by Subu Ramachandran » May 25th, 2020, 5:56 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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He was making comparisons with 1976 and 2003.
Ouch. I wonder if producers in cooler regions of Saar did better.

Nonetheless, Im happy backfilling on 2017s and 2016s.

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#20 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 25th, 2020, 6:13 pm

Careful. 1976 remains a fantastic vintage. 2003 is turning into something completely different than what it was on release.

People write off vintages, much to their later dismay.
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#21 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » May 25th, 2020, 6:25 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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Careful. 1976 remains a fantastic vintage. 2003 is turning into something completely different than what it was on release.

People write off vintages, much to their later dismay.
Indeed. Was surprised (in a good way) at how the 2003 auslesen were turning out at JJ Prum. I have a 2003 Martin Mullen Krover Steffensberg Auslese I’m hoping to open soon.
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#22 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 25th, 2020, 6:28 pm

I remember when people wrote off the 1997 vintage. Those wines are absolutely delicious now.

For some reason people have developed an acidity fetish. It has to stick out like a sore thumb. I don’t get it.
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#23 Post by David_K » May 25th, 2020, 6:38 pm

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For some reason people have developed an acidity fetish. It has to stick out like a sore thumb. I don’t get it.
I don't get it either, David. German Riesling is naturally so high in acidity that even in years of only "moderate" acidity I usually find the best producers have plenty for my taste. I don't need it to strip the enamel off my teeth. It's about the balance.
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#24 Post by J. Rock » May 25th, 2020, 6:47 pm

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I remember when people wrote off the 1997 vintage. Those wines are absolutely delicious now.

For some reason people have developed an acidity fetish. It has to stick out like a sore thumb. I don’t get it.
I actually had a 1997 Fritz Haag Brauneberger Juffer-Sonnenuhr GKA last night (and have some left over for tonight) and it's great! Great complexity and plenty of lift and elegance for a GKA. Great wine.
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#25 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » May 25th, 2020, 6:59 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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I remember when people wrote off the 1997 vintage. Those wines are absolutely delicious now.

For some reason people have developed an acidity fetish. It has to stick out like a sore thumb. I don’t get it.
I'm one of those people.

I like the tension that higher acidity wines have. They drink better at warmer temperatures than do lower acidity wines, which is helpful when enjoying over a meal, particularly at a restaurant (I'd prefer to not have to mess around with an ice bucket). I find high acidity wines "thrilling", whereas many "well-balanced" wines are kinda ho-hum.

Interesting you chose to use the word "fetish"; comes across like you are offended by others' preferences. I'm quite happy my preferences are mirrored by everyone --- less competition for the wines I want. :) Same goes for anyone else, of course. Do you believe producers are changing their styles to please those who prefer high acidity wines? If "Yes," then I can understand your gripe (assuming you were, in fact, complaining?
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#26 Post by Andrew K. » May 25th, 2020, 7:25 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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Interesting you chose to use the word "fetish"; comes across like you are offended by others' preferences.
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#27 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » May 25th, 2020, 7:33 pm

I just always find it odd when somebody rags on someone else's preferences when it comes to something as subjective and inconsequential as wine.

In reading Sarah's "stickies" thread just now, it occurred to me that some of us acid freaks may have a natural inclination towards high acid wines due to not having much of a sweet tooth ---- a bit ironic, of course, when talking about off-dry Rieslings, but it makes sense to me. I hardly ever pop a Sauternes anymore, precisely because they're almost always too low in acidity for my preferences. The same concept applies to Riesling, although it's much less of a "problem" with Riesling as it is with Sauternes.
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#28 Post by Izzy Nosnik » May 25th, 2020, 7:46 pm

What fascinated me the most about the MFW issue today was that of the 100 or so wines tasted from a smattering of producers, mostly Kabis, feinherb and spatlesen, that the standout wines and highest ratings went to Falkenstein and Vollenweider. Both wonderful producers, but hardly the Egon Mullers or JJ Prums of the Mosel. Kudos to them for the recognition!

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#29 Post by R. Frankel » May 25th, 2020, 7:48 pm

Izzy Nosnik wrote:
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What fascinated me the most about the MFW issue today was that of the 100 or so wines tasted from a smattering of producers, mostly Kabis, feinherb and spatlesen, that the standout wines and highest ratings went to Falkenstein and Vollenweider. Both wonderful producers, but hardly the Egon Mullers or JJ Prums of the Mosel. Kudos to them for the recognition!
I noticed his as well - not the usual top of the charts either in producers or Prädikat level. But also this was a pretty limited sampling. When we have the full range reviewed I wonder if this will change. Interesting though, especially because producers like Falkenstein and MF Richter are so reasonably priced.
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#30 Post by DanielP » May 25th, 2020, 7:57 pm

Brian, did you really feel like you were getting ragged on?

I agree with both Davids though, I like acidity in my wines, but I don't find high acid to be in and of itself a great virtue. For me, high quality riesling typically has enough acid where "low" acid vintages are still great to my tastes. For instance, in 2015, there were instances where the acid could stick out too much, particularly on release.
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#31 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » May 25th, 2020, 8:09 pm

DanielP wrote:
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Brian, did you really feel like you were getting ragged on?
Me, personally? No. Not at all. But I'm in the group David was denigrating ... that is, unless David was using the term "fetish" in a complimentary manner, in which case, shame on me for not being up to speed on the newest tendrils of the English language.
I agree with both Davids though, I like acidity in my wines, but I don't find high acid to be in and of itself a great virtue. For me, high quality riesling typically has enough acid where "low" acid vintages are still great to my tastes. For instance, in 2015, there were instances where the acid could stick out too much, particularly on release.
Cool! I think it's an awesome thing whenever we can figure-out our personal preferences. I love the 2015 vintage as a whole, precisely because it is such a high-acid vintage, and I'm always happy to hear when others avoid it, either entirely, or in part. Similarly, you won't have much competition from folks like me for the more "balanced" vintages you may prefer. So, everybody wins!! champagne.gif
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#32 Post by DanielP » May 25th, 2020, 8:19 pm

I like 2015 a lot and bought a lot. Regardless, I don't think competition for German wines is all that fierce in any vintage.
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#33 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » May 25th, 2020, 8:22 pm

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I like 2015 a lot and bought a lot. Regardless, I don't think competition for German wines is all that fierce in any vintage.
I agree with that.

Oddly, at least for now and recently, it seems 2015s and 2010s have largely disappeared from retailers' shelves, whereas other surrounding vintages haven't. ... of course, could just be where I'm looking, which is a pretty narrow selection of local-to-me shops.
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#34 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 26th, 2020, 3:47 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 6:28 pm
I remember when people wrote off the 1997 vintage. Those wines are absolutely delicious now.

For some reason people have developed an acidity fetish. It has to stick out like a sore thumb. I don’t get it.
I'm one of those people.

I like the tension that higher acidity wines have. They drink better at warmer temperatures than do lower acidity wines, which is helpful when enjoying over a meal, particularly at a restaurant (I'd prefer to not have to mess around with an ice bucket). I find high acidity wines "thrilling", whereas many "well-balanced" wines are kinda ho-hum.

Interesting you chose to use the word "fetish"; comes across like you are offended by others' preferences. I'm quite happy my preferences are mirrored by everyone --- less competition for the wines I want. :) Same goes for anyone else, of course. Do you believe producers are changing their styles to please those who prefer high acidity wines? If "Yes," then I can understand your gripe (assuming you were, in fact, complaining?
I am not complaining that some people prefer acidity to be more pronounced. I rather find it perverse that someone would want an element of the wine to stick out like a sore thumb. This is something that came up only 10-12 years ago, and seems to have been a reaction to low acidity, high ripeness wines from other regions.

I don’t dislike wines with higher acidity (check my cellar!), but shake my head in wonder when acidity is tuned into some sort of grail.
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#35 Post by Martin Zwick » May 26th, 2020, 4:27 am

I am in the 2001 camp especially regarding 2019 Keller. Fair to say time will tell and I have tasted not so much so far, but also 2019 Hofgut Falkenstein "Herrenberg" Spätlese feinherb was impressive a few days ago. All 19s I have tasted so far showed a remarkable balance, inner peace, extract, depth and a good integrated harmonious acidity. The acidity in 2019 is higher than in 2018. Around 2-3 weeks ago I said to Robert Dentice after opening a 2019 Keller von der Fels, it is not a vintage like any I had since 2010, rather a vintage from the good old times. Anyway whether you compare it to 1937 like Stephan Reinhardt or whatever vintage some journalist write.

I recommend to spend BIG on 2019. But the quantity is low and it seems not so much will arrive in USA. In addition 20% tax imposed by the "stable genius" Mr. Trump.
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#36 Post by YLee » May 26th, 2020, 5:05 am

I am also in the camp for not wanting high acidity. It doesnt feel balanced to me and dont enjoy the finish.
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#37 Post by Martin Zwick » May 26th, 2020, 5:07 am

YLee wrote:
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I am also in the camp for not wanting high acidity. It doesnt feel balanced to me and dont enjoy the finish.

The acidity in 2019 is refreshing and remarkable balanced&very good integrated. No comparison to 2013 or 2017.
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#38 Post by YLee » May 26th, 2020, 5:08 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 5:07 am
YLee wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 5:05 am
I am also in the camp for not wanting high acidity. It doesnt feel balanced to me and dont enjoy the finish.

The acidity in 2019 is vivid, but remarkable balanced and very good integrated. No comparison to 2013 or 2017.
Thanks. I will try some out when opportunity comes.
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#39 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » May 26th, 2020, 3:42 pm

Now if only some of the wines will show up on the U.S. market...
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#40 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 26th, 2020, 3:50 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 3:42 pm
Now if only some of the wines will show up on the U.S. market...
Given the quantity of outstanding wines still sitting on shelves, does it really matter?
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#41 Post by Larry Stein » May 26th, 2020, 7:10 pm

Does anyone currently import Vollenweider into the US? Just curious as I’m not buying German Riesling at the moment. I have a good deal of that property’s wines from 2001, 02, and 04.

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#42 Post by A.Gillette » May 26th, 2020, 7:15 pm

Larry Stein wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 7:10 pm
Does anyone currently import Vollenweider into the US? Just curious as I’m not buying German Riesling at the moment. I have a good deal of that property’s wines from 2001, 02, and 04.
VomBoden imports the wines and you can get that kab that MFW rated so highly right now at Chambers.
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#43 Post by Robert Dentice » May 27th, 2020, 8:10 am

Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an entry-level wine. Looking forward to trying more.
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#44 Post by J. Rock » May 27th, 2020, 9:01 am

I love the very acidic years and I love the rounder, more decadent years. It's all good/great and it's nice to have a variety.
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#45 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 27th, 2020, 11:49 am

J. Rock wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 9:01 am
I love the very acidic years and I love the rounder, more decadent years. It's all good/great and it's nice to have a variety.
I also like surfing the variations, and buy in virtually all type of vintages. I buy less in more extreme years, when acids are either really high or really low, and also when ripeness and/or botrytis dominates. Ultimately that means I buy more in years like 2001, 2002, 2007, 2009, 2012, etc., and less in years like 2003, 2006, 2010, 2011, etc.. I still buy, just a bit less.
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#46 Post by Robert Panzer » May 28th, 2020, 9:09 am

I will be quite active in offering the '19s (my first went out today), and from what I hear, lots to be excited about.
Contstantin Richter told me that the profile of the wines is quite classical, a throwback to the 1990s in terms of the balance of must weight and acidity.
Oliver Müller of Wagner Stempel told me classical/filigree are his descriptors, with the analytics portending very very balanced wines.
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#47 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » June 13th, 2020, 3:50 pm

Partly for selfish reasons I'm bumping this thread. This past week I put in my requests for Max Ferd Richter and Hofgut Falkenstein wines. They're coming, people!
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#48 Post by Howard Cooper » June 13th, 2020, 4:02 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 8:10 am
Count me as an acid freak as that is what I love so much about Germany. I am hearing from winemakers that it is a vintage I will love and they know how much I value acid. Only one data point so far, Laurer Barrel X, all I can say is that it was intense and had everything you could imagine in an entry-level wine. Looking forward to trying more.
I also like acid in wine. For example, I have loved the 1990 vintage and I love wines from the Saar and the Ruwer.
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#49 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 3rd, 2020, 11:28 am

Thought I'd resurrect this now that Part I of the MFW report on the vintage is out. What's everything planning to buy?
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2017 Goodfellow Family Cellars Durant Vineyard Chardonnay
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#50 Post by Adam Frisch » July 3rd, 2020, 12:10 pm

Has anyone tried Van Volxem? Is there an importer in the US? Wines and philosophy seems intriguing.
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