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Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#1 Post by Frank Murray III » May 28th, 2020, 11:48 am

I was pleased to get the note today from Benoit that he wanted to do the Zoom with us. I had been asking him for a while, but I know he runs pretty busy and he's also got a spirit about him that reminds me of someone who stays in the moment. I appreciate and in some ways admire that spontaneous spirit, a quality that I want people to experience when they meet Benoit for the event. So, it was a pleasant surprise to get his message today that he wanted to move ahead.

I visited Benoit back in May 2018, turned onto the wines previously by Scott and Greg at Envoyer. I had been drinking quite a bit of Marguet, and really fell for the 2012s. For some context, Benoit farms several lieux-dits in Ambonnay, where the winery is located--Le Parc, Les Crayeres, La Grande Ruelle and Les Bermonts and Les Saint Remys. He also contracts for fruit across several other villages, like Avize and Cramant in the Cote de Blancs, as well as Bouzy, Trepail, etc. Between all these cuvees, along with the Shaman cuvee, there is a lot to explore. Bernoit's wines to me always show an energy, a vivid acidity and texture, in part because of his meticulous farming and approach.

For now, I am gonna keep this simple and post some photos from my May 2018 visit, along with the usual instructions below. Hope to see many of you on June 13th.
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TO BE PART OF THE EVENT, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING. THANK YOU.

Date/Time: Saturday, June 13th @ 10AM PT / 1PM ET / 1900 Paris

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If you own Marguet, open one. Or, you can choose to open another Champagne and enjoy the event.

How To Connect: To get the Zoom link to connect to the event, send a private message to Frank Murray III. I will then send you the link in a private reply. Once you receive the link, please do NOT forward it.

We'll be muting everyone's audio so we can eliminate background noise. You'll also be optioned to turn on your camera if you like...just come to learn, share and be part of the fellowship we are creating.
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Ambonnay as you enter the village on D26
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The soils of the Ambonnay lieux-dits
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Marguet barrel room
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Benoit and the oval cask
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Benoit and I
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#2 Post by Jan Janas » May 28th, 2020, 8:20 pm

Frank,

I thought the Vouette et Sorbee zoom was going to be the grand finale of Champagne zooms. Glad to hear the series is continuing champagne.gif

Thank your for your work and dedication!

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#3 Post by Frank Murray III » May 29th, 2020, 8:00 am

Jan, thank you. It wasn't my intent to keep going but Benoit's note, and my real passion for his wines, it made sense to give the WB community another event. Benoit makes some excellent wines so it made sense to do one more.

Zoom has become more widespread the past month, with wineries doing these events with other ITB folks, even dorks like some of us but overall, attendance has been declining. People want to get out, be with their families, friends, their community safely, and being inside is not the same priority or compulsion it once was.

Todd, Brad and I just wish everyone well as we try and find what a new, safe normal looks like.
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#4 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2020, 9:15 am

Brad and I had a discussion with Benoit Marguet this morning about some options for his event on the 13th and he is looking forward to it. I don't know how many of you have talked with or read up on Benoit but he is to me a fascinating guy. His beliefs about life, his location in what is one of the anchors of Champagne north--the village of Ambonnay--his thoughts about things beyond wine and how these influences and images are part of how he has built his winery, how he assesses his barrels for care/attention, etc.

While we will have some discussion too about farming, it is our goal to have Benoit reveal the spirit and humor that makes him who he truly is.

FWIW, he has done Zooms for UK and Japan, but nothing yet for the US, so I feel honored he is committing time for us.

Please PM me to get the link.
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#5 Post by Blake Brown » June 1st, 2020, 10:30 am

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May 29th, 2020, 8:00 am
Jan, thank you. It wasn't my intent to keep going but Benoit's note, and my real passion for his wines, it made sense to give the WB community another event. Benoit makes some excellent wines so it made sense to do one more.
Happy we get at least one more session. These have been extraordinary and much appreciation for the 3 of you who have made this happen.
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#6 Post by Brad Baker » June 1st, 2020, 10:42 am

This should be a fun conversation and a very interesting session especially when compared to last weekend's visit wtih Bertrand Gautherot. Benoit is also a believer in biodynamics and what some would call the 'mystical energy of our planet and universe'. Like Bertrand, he is passionate and highly philosophical, yet the compete opposite in terms of personality. Benoit also pays more attention to the winemaking side of things. In general Benoit pays an immense amount of attention to every detail of everything that touches or influences the vines and wines. Whether you agree or disagree with some of the things he does, you cannot help but like him and enjoy being in his presence.

I have had a number of very thoughtful and eye opening conversations with him that have drifted off onto the mystical side of things yet seem to hold some truth if only someone could figure out the equation (something Bertrand touched on in his film, but not our visit). Benoit approaches the more mystical side of things by trying to find logic and reasoning behind them - he doesn't just belive in them blindly. One conversation that I have had with him that sticks with me was on the topic of why some plots are unexplainably better than others. There are some plots in Champagne that year-after-year produce grapes that consistently turn out better than the surrounding plots even when the soil analysis says the plots are the same, the exposition is the same, and the farming practices are the same. In some cases, you can go back many, many centuries and discover that this particular piece of earth was marked as special, sacred, or 'high energy' and this often wasn't in regards to farming. Someone knew something about the land that no one today seems to be able to explain, but it appears to hold true. I know it all sounds crazy, but if you can dig up a book or map from 1,000 years ago that has a marker on it that says a piece of land is special and to build something special on it and then it today it is planted to a vineyard that does better than it should, there could possibly be a connection. Or, it is just crazy luck. Fun stuff to think about though.

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#7 Post by Blake Brown » June 1st, 2020, 10:57 am

Brad Baker wrote:
June 1st, 2020, 10:42 am

I'm a big believer that everything has a structure around it and is explainable, but I also believe that we don't know everything and that there is still lots to discover. When we stop questioning and searching, we stop progressing.
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#8 Post by Justin S » June 1st, 2020, 11:16 am

With the 10am PT start time and champagne, I believe this calls for some egg dishes.
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#9 Post by Jim Stewart » June 1st, 2020, 11:24 am

Frank and Brad, with your posts you have me intrigued on this one. I will plan on listening in. Thanks to you both and Todd for making this stuff happen. I know it's a lot of work, but I also sense that you guys love it. That is what it is all about, gentlemen!
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#10 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2020, 12:17 pm

Brad, thank you for framing out your experiences and views again. One thing I have learned about you, and I appreciate this part of who you are, is that you have a perspective that you are adept in narrating. You frame things with insight and you provoke thought.....this is what I dig.

We also appreciate the thank you messages and posts--these mean a lot to me. We have done every one of these with an intent to apply care, effort and the opportunity to learn. We've created an archive of information that people can now view, to foster learning ahead.

As for Benoit and the event, I will continue to add visuals to the post here up through June 13th. I want to feature some of the vineyards and help promote some learning now, so that some of you who wish to do that with me, can get ahead of the event. With that....

Les Bermonts. Planted in 1952. It's situated across the road from the village, on the others side of D19. It's Chardonnay, and I find it unique that it doesn't sit on the Ambonnay plane, on the north side of D19, but on the south side. Benoit uses wood for his elevage, which you will note below with the barrel head for Les Bermonts. You can also click the Weinlagen link below and get a sense as to the geography of Les Bermonts within the village (it's arguably as close to Bouzy as it is to Ambonnay).

https://weinlagen-info.de/#lage_id=13041. (when this opens, switch to Satellite view to get a better sense of the vineyard)


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#11 Post by Frank Murray III » June 7th, 2020, 11:48 am

Good morning. I've been giving this a lot of thought the past few days. I've wanted to wait in refreshing this topic, as we had some amazing work that Charlie had led in support of the NAACP. In thinking more this morning, I landed with doing something and trying to further the work Charlie has passionately led, and that so many of you supported.

Here is where I landed. My commitment is that for everyone that joins the Zoom this Saturday with Benoit Marguet, I will make a $5 donation per person to the NAACP LDF, the same charity that Charlie selected. If you come to the event with a bottle of Marguet open, I will double the donation $10. I want to confront the mixture of anger and helplessness I have felt this week, and perhaps this is the best way to do that. Should you want to match my donation, I encourage that, helping to push our help that much further.

Hopefully, this will motivate some more of you to give up some time on your Saturday morning to join Benoit Marguet and I, to learn about his wines, and in doing so, we can collectively take some additional action to give back right now and support for the African American community, to beat back injustice and inequality. We can all do something to show leadership, and if it can rest within our wine community, we can do our part.

PM me if you want the Zoom link for the event.
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#12 Post by Sean S y d n e y » June 7th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
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PM me if you want the Zoom link for the event.
I had forgotten all about this, but PMd for a great event and an even better cause. Thanks, Frank.
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#13 Post by Frank Murray III » June 7th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Thank you, Sean. PM sent to you and Matt.

In the next few days, I will be back with some more photos and maps to get everyone ready.

As a side note, I know on 60 Minutes tonight in the US, the leader of the NAACP LDF was interviewed. I'm looking forward to watching that on my DVR, to get some more perspective on the action that is being sought and thought about on these issues.
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#14 Post by Alan Rath » June 7th, 2020, 10:16 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
June 7th, 2020, 6:48 pm
As a side note, I know on 60 Minutes tonight in the US, the leader of the NAACP LDF was interviewed. I'm looking forward to watching that on my DVR, to get some more perspective on the action that is being sought and thought about on these issues.
I watched it earlier tonight, she was impressive.
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#15 Post by Frank Murray III » June 8th, 2020, 8:26 am

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Good morning. In support of the event this weekend, some more photos. Le Parc is 100% Chardonnay, and the plot is situated adjacent to Krug's walled off plot, Clos d'Ambonnay. In the photos above, you can see the wall that separates Le Parc from Krug's wall. When we visited in 2018, I managed to boost myself onto the large wall and take a photo, which also is shown above.

Benoit doesn't make much Le Parc, and my first bottle of it was the 2014 that he bottled in 750s. Like Le Parc, all of the Marguet lieux-dits come from the village of Ambonnay, which we will discuss with Benoit this Saturday.

As a reminder, I will be making the donation of $5 per person who to attend, with the money going to the NAACP LDF, and I will double the donation if you come to the event with a bottle of Marguet open.

If you would like the link, please PM me.
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#16 Post by Brad Baker » June 8th, 2020, 5:52 pm

Frank,

Great idea to tie this in to even more giving. I hope we get a great turnout this coming Saturday - June 13th.
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#17 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » June 8th, 2020, 6:37 pm

*Really bummed* I won't be able to make this one. Thank you, Frank, for taking the organization reigns, once again! I'll have to catch this one on replay.
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#18 Post by Frank Murray III » June 8th, 2020, 6:42 pm

Brad, today I got this photo below from Margaux over on Instagram. 'Balance'...will have to explore that with Benoit this Saturday.

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#19 Post by Claus Jeppesen » June 9th, 2020, 11:36 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 8:26 am
As a reminder, I will be making the donation of $5 per person who to attend, with the money going to the NAACP LDF, and I will double the donation if you come to the event with a bottle of Marguet open.
In that case I plan to open 2 bottles champagne.gif
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#20 Post by Frank Murray III » June 10th, 2020, 8:36 am

One last reminder for this Saturday, for those who haven't signed on yet. And, this will be the final event I do unless Brad needs help with one, or we have another grower come forward and want to share their message. My donation commitment of $5 per attendee, doubled to $10 if you open a Marguet for the event, still stands in support of the NAACP LDF.

A few more photos to close my message....see you this Saturday, with Brad and Todd lending a strong hand.
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#21 Post by Blake Brown » June 10th, 2020, 3:23 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
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One last reminder for this Saturday, for those who haven't signed on yet. And, this will be the final event I do unless Brad needs help with one, or we have another grower come forward and want to share their message. My donation commitment of $5 per attendee, doubled to $10 if you open a Marguet for the event, still stands in support of the NAACP LDF.
Many of us are extremely grateful to you, Brad and Todd for orchestrating these Zoom sessions Frank. They have been very stimulating and provided lots of educational info. Your add on charitable donation for this one is above and beyond and who I know you to be.

In case I fail to remember to ask, I'm submitting a raised hand now for a question about decanting champagne. Perhaps it should be addressed by Brad, but possibly Benoit may be one to ask as well. I've long had the thought that like most other wines, many champagnes can benefit from some decanting, but never heard it recommended or discussed by any of the big Champagne authors/ writers/ importers. I'm borrowing this from the smilies to emulate a raised hand. [truce.gif]
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#22 Post by Brad Baker » June 10th, 2020, 6:55 pm

Blake,

There is only way I have ever enjoyed Champagne decanted (not counting Coteaux Champenois) and only circumstances which involved rather quick consumption . If you are going to open and quickly consume a bottle rather than slowly follow it over the course of an evening, decanting can be a benefit if done quickly and correctly. Open the bottle and pour the wine into a rather narrow decanter then quickly empty the decanter into the glasses and consume. This usually turns out better than just opening the bottle, pouring into the glasses, and drinking. This type of decanting not only gives the wine a blast of aeration, but can help to calm down the effervesence in some younger wines which can often help them go with food - especially sweeter styled Champagnes with dessert. For very reductive wines there is also a benefit. I will never say decanting is optimal in the big picture, but in some particular situations, it can be.
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#23 Post by Blake Brown » June 10th, 2020, 7:10 pm

Perfect. Thanks so much Brad. Great info and a new twist I didn’t know about with the decanter type and emptying it into the stems.

Consider my hand no longer raised Saturday at least for this question.
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#24 Post by Hal Blumberg » June 11th, 2020, 7:55 pm

I found a couple of bottles of 2002 Marguet Grand Cru Brut in the cellar. Come on everyone, let's cost Frankie some bucks for a great cause!

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#25 Post by Frank Murray III » June 12th, 2020, 9:00 am

Folks, I had made a reference earlier in the thread about the start time, which was wrong. The event is starting at 1900 Paris time. For those of you who are outside the US, I wanted to make sure I cleaned up things with you.

Hal, that is part of the Marguet history, well before he changed up many things, including dosage and sulfur approaches, and likely more stuff we can talk about tomorrow. Thanks for attending tomorrow, thank you for everyone who has signed on.
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#26 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 13th, 2020, 11:25 am

Will have the video up when it is finished (we're still going, finishing up) but it's fascinating to me that Benoit stated that Coteaux Champenois is the 'future of Champagne'. That deserves its own thread/discussion!
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#27 Post by Frank Murray III » June 13th, 2020, 11:35 am

Todd and Brad, thank you for being committed to this series we have invested in delivering the past few months. Even today, you both helped us craft a great event with Benoit, to go into his thoughts about why he works the way he does. He is truly unique in the region, and I again learned more today, and appreciate his wines that much more.

As I had committed, in support of the NAACP LDF, I will make a donation in behalf of all of you in the amount of $200. It seemed fitting that we would connect Marguet to this donation, inspired by his desire for respect, heart and positive energy, which are qualities seemingly missing in sectors of our lives and society today.
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#28 Post by Blake Brown » June 13th, 2020, 11:39 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 11:25 am
Will have the video up when it is finished (we're still going, finishing up) but it's fascinating to me that Benoit stated that Coteaux Champenois is the 'future of Champagne'. That deserves its own thread/discussion!
Agreed. You've been really good at picking out the statement of the session and that's the one I chose from this one.
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#29 Post by John A Hunt » June 13th, 2020, 12:05 pm

Thank you's all around.

Benoit is very interesting, and I enjoyed what he had to say.

Now I am looking to find some...

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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#30 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » June 13th, 2020, 12:09 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 11:25 am
it's fascinating to me that Benoit stated that Coteaux Champenois is the 'future of Champagne'. That deserves its own thread/discussion!
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#31 Post by Brad Baker » June 13th, 2020, 12:11 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 11:25 am
Will have the video up when it is finished (we're still going, finishing up) but it's fascinating to me that Benoit stated that Coteaux Champenois is the 'future of Champagne'. That deserves its own thread/discussion!
The climate is going to have change a lot more for this to be possible in any type of high quality volume on a year-by-year basis. I think we are 100-200 years away from even considering this. I also worry about the economic impact. Champagne is not inexpensive. Your entry level price point is $30 bottle. It does take more time and money to make Champagne than a still wine, but still wines from Champagne are still not priced inexpensively; many times they are priced like a vintage Champagne. Maybe they come down a little in price if volume goes up, but who is going to pay $50-$150 a bottle for still white and red Champagne when you can drive a few hours south to Burgundy and get something better for less money. I have had some very good Coteaux Champenois and a few reds that I thought were on the level with a good Premier Cru from Pommard or Volnay, but what makes Champagne special is that it goes through two fermentations and does it better than any other place in the world. At one point in time, Champagne was all still wines and was well known for it, but they changed to sparkling wines for a reason. My feeling is that if Champagne were to ever become a region of majority still wines that it would not be considered very special region overall.
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#32 Post by Brad Baker » June 13th, 2020, 12:43 pm

To me the most fascinating point of the conversation wtih Benoit was when he mentioned that he not only blends taille into all of his wines, but that he immediately blends the taille and cuvee together right after pressing and the wine ages in the barrel as one entity of a parcel. I did not know this and do not know who else does this. First, most don't blend taille into any of the their higher end wines and second, most keep the taille separate for aging and only blend it in when it is time to make the blend for bottling.

This is fascinating because I think it helps to explain why the Marguet wines taste quite fruity and textured upon release without dosage. The taille gives the wine more roundness, more body, and an intrinsic sweetness. I think it also helps to explain why they seem to travel well, age okay (at least for the medium term), and don't suffer from bottle variation despite the lack of sulfur in most pressings. Using the taille as Marguet does requires a lot of careful attention to maturity at picking and careful pressing. Phenolics can cause the wine to go haywire if you don't get it right, but they can also add some protective qualities that help the wine fight against oxidation (even if the wine seems to first oxidize before coming back to freshness).
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#33 Post by Sean S y d n e y » June 13th, 2020, 12:50 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 12:43 pm
To me the most fascinating point of the conversation wtih Benoit was when he mentioned that he not only blends taille into all of his wines, but that he immediately blends the taille and cuvee together right after pressing and the wine ages in the barrel as one entity of a parcel. I did not know this and do not know who else does this. First, most don't blend taille into any of the their higher end wines and second, most keep the taille separate for aging and only blend it in when it is time to make the blend for bottling.

This is fascinating because I think it helps to explain why the Marguet wines taste quite fruity and textured upon release without dosage. The taille gives the wine more roundness, more body, and an intrinsic sweetness. I think it also helps to explain why they seem to travel well, age okay (at least for the medium term), and don't suffer from bottle variation despite the lack of sulfur in most pressings. Using the taille as Marguet does requires a lot of careful attention to maturity at picking and careful pressing. Phenolics can cause the wine to go haywire if you don't get it right, but they can also add some protective qualities that help the wine fight against oxidation (even if the wine seems to first oxidize before coming back to freshness).
I will say we served Marguet Shaman by the glass for a couple of months at my old place and there was some significant bottle variation (not necessarily negative, but I remember one bottle was clearly not showing well) - I just attributed it to the style of winemaking. Not sure if that was a transit issue along the line but it was noticeable.
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#34 Post by Brad Baker » June 13th, 2020, 1:21 pm

Sean,

It could be the lack of sulfur mixed with transit. I haven't noticed a lot of bottle to bottle variation, but I haven't been able to track bottles over the course of time that you have. Additionally, most of the Marguet I consume is while I am in Europe or purchased in Europe and hand carried back. Normally, I find the complete elimination of sulfur especially at disgorgement (though jetting can help) to be a recipe for possible variation disaster as a lot of the bottles start aging differently and some bottles just plain go 'off'. I do think that if Marguet does have some variability it is far less often and less extreme than others who take a no/very, very low sulfur position.
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Re: Zoom event--Benoit Marguet of Champagne Marguet, Saturday June 13th @ 10am PT / 1pm ET

#35 Post by Todd F r e n c h » June 13th, 2020, 5:24 pm

Here's the video, folks! (sorry Benoit's microphone was bad - you'll need to turn it up when he talks, down when Frank or I talk :) )

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