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Best domestic Chardonnay?

#1 Post by Bill Sweeney » June 12th, 2020, 6:09 am

A few comments in the thread about aging Oregon chards made me wonder which chards are contenders for ‘best’ produced in this country. If someone was willing to gift you a bottle of any domestic Chardonnay you want, which one would you choose?QPR should not be a consideration.

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#2 Post by C. Keller » June 12th, 2020, 6:53 am

Haven't had any of it but I bet you get a lot of responses for Walter Scott. It's on my list to try
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#3 Post by Ed Steinway » June 12th, 2020, 7:08 am

I don't know if it is the 'best', but if someone was gifting me a bottle of domestic chardonnay I would choose Mount Eden Estate. It ages well and is consistently excellent.

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#4 Post by Peter Hirsch » June 12th, 2020, 7:11 am

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#5 Post by S teve R edenbaugh » June 12th, 2020, 7:40 am

Aubert, Ceritas, Cameron Clos Electrique, Walter Scott, Litterai, Mount Eden, Arnot-Roberts, Rhys, and Hirsch are the wineries whose Chardonnays I support.

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#6 Post by Matthew King » June 12th, 2020, 7:41 am

In the leaner style I prefer: Ceritas and Stony Hill.
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#7 Post by Scott Tallman » June 12th, 2020, 7:56 am

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#8 Post by Markus S » June 12th, 2020, 8:02 am

00 is priced like it, but haven't had one yet.
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#9 Post by David B » June 12th, 2020, 8:03 am

Another vote for Mount Eden.
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#10 Post by M. Dildine » June 12th, 2020, 8:04 am

The Chardonnays I drink are Rhys, Arnot-Roberts, Mount Eden, Hartford Court, Williams Selyem and Radio Coteau.

For me, U.S. Chardonnay is now the best available, anywhere.
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#11 Post by Jim Clary » June 12th, 2020, 8:11 am

Peter Hirsch wrote:
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#12 Post by ray ormand » June 12th, 2020, 8:35 am

Garden Creek in Sonoma produces great Chardonnay every year. Complex and harmonious.

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#13 Post by Vince L. » June 12th, 2020, 8:36 am

Chanin and Ceritas are my favorite...

Liquid Farm & Solomon Hills are also very good.
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#14 Post by Frank Drew » June 12th, 2020, 8:37 am

It’s been a while since I’ve had one, but when they’re on Kalin chardonnays are terrific. I agree about Mt. Eden with some age. I don’t have enough experience with Oregon wines.

I’m not wild about some of the well-known and pricey California labels; they can have too much Bourbon Butter Cream for me, and if I wanted to spend $100+ on a bottle I’d gravitate much, much further east.

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#15 Post by Bud Carey » June 12th, 2020, 8:39 am

Liquid Farm fan here.
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#16 Post by James Lyon » June 12th, 2020, 8:53 am

Markus S wrote:
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00 is priced like it, but haven't had one yet.
The pricing is not much different than a few of the California heavyweights...

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#17 Post by Michael S. Monie » June 12th, 2020, 8:55 am

From a couple of years ago: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=153170
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#18 Post by Steve Crawford » June 12th, 2020, 8:56 am

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#19 Post by John Kight » June 12th, 2020, 9:06 am

S teve R edenbaugh wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 7:40 am
Aubert, Ceritas, Cameron Clos Electrique, Walter Scott, Litterai, Mount Eden, Arnot-Roberts, Rhys, and Hirsch are the wineries whose Chardonnays I support.

I really like the Hirsch, which I think is quite different from most of the other "richer" wines.

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#20 Post by Matt Latuchie » June 12th, 2020, 9:12 am

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#21 Post by Merrill Lindquist » June 12th, 2020, 9:13 am

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#22 Post by Lonnie F. » June 12th, 2020, 9:33 am

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#23 Post by Mike S. » June 12th, 2020, 9:35 am

Aubert, Mount Eden, Ceritas, Kutch
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#24 Post by John Ammons » June 12th, 2020, 11:11 am

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the judge.
Very solid choice, but I'd take Marcassin Marcassin Vineyard. Have not tried the highest end Peter Michael though (Point Rouge).

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#25 Post by Scott Brunson » June 12th, 2020, 11:36 am

Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 7:56 am
Cameron Clos Electrique
Blend?
Gonna throw a bottle into a blind tasting to mess with people when our group can meet again.

And for me, Ceritas.
I hate the over-ripe, over-extracted, over-oaked Chards.
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#26 Post by Frank Murray III » June 12th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Rhys and Kutch. These are the only CA Chards I buy anymore and they are both for me wonderful examples of the best.
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#27 Post by M. Taylor » June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm

I would add Shibumi Knoll
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#28 Post by Scott Tallman » June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 11:36 am
Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 7:56 am
Cameron Clos Electrique
Blend?
Gonna throw a bottle into a blind tasting to mess with people when our group can meet again.

And for me, Ceritas.
I hate the over-ripe, over-extracted, over-oaked Chards.
Not blend, Cameron’s estate vineyard next to the winery
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#29 Post by roybehr » June 12th, 2020, 12:40 pm

Aubert, Peter Michael (especially Cuvee Indigene), and The Judge. Also, the Paul Lato chardonnays are really nice, and probably more appealing to people who want something a little more restrained.

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#30 Post by Dan Hammer » June 12th, 2020, 12:48 pm

With all the recent Walter Scott hype + this thread, I picked up a 2018 Walter Scott Chardonnay La Combe Verte at Grapes the Wine Company in White Plains. Let's see what all the fuss is about.

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#31 Post by Sean_S » June 12th, 2020, 12:58 pm

My Faves: all lean, bright and with plenty of cut:

California:
Ceritas
Mount Eden
Rhys
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Oregon:
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#32 Post by Adam Frisch » June 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm

The Ceritas ones are all good, but the Ceritas Zephyr vineyard is the best one out of all them, in my opinion.
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#33 Post by Gabe Berk » June 12th, 2020, 1:25 pm

Without a doubt...Kongsgaard, The Judge. Grand Cru of domestic Chardonnay. Always flamboyant, yet incredibly graceful.

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#34 Post by Tom DeBiase » June 12th, 2020, 1:41 pm

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#35 Post by Howard Cooper » June 12th, 2020, 1:45 pm

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#36 Post by Rick Allen » June 12th, 2020, 1:48 pm

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#37 Post by pnitze » June 12th, 2020, 1:49 pm

In the last five years, the best American Chardonnay I’ve had was a bottle of Ceritas “Porter Bass.” Second best, Radio Coteau “Wingtine.” Third best, 2008 Marcassin.
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#38 Post by Scott Brunson » June 12th, 2020, 2:14 pm

Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm
Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 11:36 am
Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 7:56 am
Cameron Clos Electrique
Blend?
Gonna throw a bottle into a blind tasting to mess with people when our group can meet again.

And for me, Ceritas.
I hate the over-ripe, over-extracted, over-oaked Chards.
Not blend, Cameron’s estate vineyard next to the winery
But with some Pinot Blanc (and I’ve seen hints of a few Italians too)
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#39 Post by John Morris » June 12th, 2020, 2:19 pm

Dave Ramey’s Hyde (and other single-vineyards) deserve more notice.
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#40 Post by Rick Allen » June 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:14 pm
Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm
Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 11:36 am

Blend?
Gonna throw a bottle into a blind tasting to mess with people when our group can meet again.

And for me, Ceritas.
I hate the over-ripe, over-extracted, over-oaked Chards.
Not blend, Cameron’s estate vineyard next to the winery
But with some Pinot Blanc (and I’ve seen hints of a few Italians too)
There may be a little Pinot Blanc in the Chardonnay, but not very much, if any. Most of the Pinot Blanc gets thrown in with the Italian varietals that go into Guiliano.

BTW, both Clos Electrique and X Novo are vineyards planted in multiple clones and selections that are expected to ripen differently but be harvested together.

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#41 Post by Scott Brunson » June 12th, 2020, 2:36 pm

Rick Allen wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm
Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:14 pm
Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm


Not blend, Cameron’s estate vineyard next to the winery
But with some Pinot Blanc (and I’ve seen hints of a few Italians too)
There may be a little Pinot Blanc in the Chardonnay, but not very much, if any. Most of the Pinot Blanc gets thrown in with the Italian varietals that go into Guiliano.

BTW, both Clos Electrique and X Novo are vineyards planted in multiple clones and selections that are expected to ripen differently but be harvested together.
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#42 Post by Howard Cooper » June 12th, 2020, 2:40 pm

John Morris wrote:
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Dave Ramey’s Hyde (and other single-vineyards) deserve more notice.
I cannot add this to my list because I have never tasted it.
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#43 Post by M. Dildine » June 12th, 2020, 2:52 pm

I forgot to mention a couple of other goodies ... Rivers Marie and Dehlinger.
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#44 Post by Sean_S » June 12th, 2020, 3:17 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm
The Ceritas ones are all good, but the Ceritas Zephyr vineyard is the best one out of all them, in my opinion.
I'm partial to the Peter Martin Ray and Trout Gulch (both local SCM sites near my house) but I need to try the Zephyr.

Let's talk QPR for a second because I love Ceritas and Rhys but not in the QPR Champion Realm:

Best QPR Chardonnay in America:
Cameron Dundee Hills < $20
Goodfellow RR, Dundee Hills just over $20, or the WV just under $20
Vincent: all of em ~$20
Le Petit Paysan: Jack's Chardonnay. 21$ retail, 19$ wine club or case price.

Who else makes a kickass Chablis or White Burg competitor for ~$20

Overall best value to me: Goodfellow Richards Cuvee ~ $45

and just realized I forgot Ladd Cellars and Model Farm. Edited my original post to reflect my brain fart

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#45 Post by RichardFlack » June 12th, 2020, 3:28 pm

Best domestic Chardonnay? Hmmmm. Well speaking personally, Hard to say, but Bachelder Wingfield Ouest would be up there and perhaps Exultet The Blessed.

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#46 Post by M. Dildine » June 12th, 2020, 3:29 pm

Sean_S wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 3:17 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm
The Ceritas ones are all good, but the Ceritas Zephyr vineyard is the best one out of all them, in my opinion.
I'm partial to the Peter Martin Ray and Trout Gulch (both local SCM sites near my house) but I need to try the Zephyr.

Let's talk QPR for a second because I love Ceritas and Rhys but not in the QPR Champion Realm:

Best QPR Chardonnay in America:
Cameron Dundee Hills < $20
Goodfellow RR, Dundee Hills just over $20, or the WV just under $20
Vincent: all of em ~$20
Le Petit Paysan: Jack's Chardonnay. 21$ retail, 19$ wine club or case price.

Who else makes a kickass Chablis or White Burg competitor for ~$20

Overall best value to me: Goodfellow Richards Cuvee ~ $45

and just realized I forgot Ladd Cellars and Model Farm. Edited my original post to reflect my brain fart

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#47 Post by Sean_S » June 12th, 2020, 3:35 pm

M. Dildine wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 3:29 pm
Sean_S wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 3:17 pm
Adam Frisch wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 1:04 pm
The Ceritas ones are all good, but the Ceritas Zephyr vineyard is the best one out of all them, in my opinion.
I'm partial to the Peter Martin Ray and Trout Gulch (both local SCM sites near my house) but I need to try the Zephyr.

Let's talk QPR for a second because I love Ceritas and Rhys but not in the QPR Champion Realm:

Best QPR Chardonnay in America:
Cameron Dundee Hills < $20
Goodfellow RR, Dundee Hills just over $20, or the WV just under $20
Vincent: all of em ~$20
Le Petit Paysan: Jack's Chardonnay. 21$ retail, 19$ wine club or case price.

Who else makes a kickass Chablis or White Burg competitor for ~$20

Overall best value to me: Goodfellow Richards Cuvee ~ $45

and just realized I forgot Ladd Cellars and Model Farm. Edited my original post to reflect my brain fart

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#48 Post by lleichtman » June 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm

We drink a lot of Ceritas and Stony Hill Chardonnay though getting into several small production Oregon Chards as well. Drinking Ayoub Chardonnay tonight.
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#49 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » June 12th, 2020, 4:06 pm

Rick Allen wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm
Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:14 pm
Scott Tallman wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 12:29 pm


Not blend, Cameron’s estate vineyard next to the winery
But with some Pinot Blanc (and I’ve seen hints of a few Italians too)
There may be a little Pinot Blanc in the Chardonnay, but not very much, if any. Most of the Pinot Blanc gets thrown in with the Italian varietals that go into Guiliano.

BTW, both Clos Electrique and X Novo are vineyards planted in multiple clones and selections that are expected to ripen differently but be harvested together.
As is the Chardonnay from Whistling Ridge that produces the Richard’s.
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#50 Post by James Lyon » June 12th, 2020, 5:05 pm

Marcus Goodfellow wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 4:06 pm
Rick Allen wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm
Scott Brunson wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 2:14 pm

But with some Pinot Blanc (and I’ve seen hints of a few Italians too)
There may be a little Pinot Blanc in the Chardonnay, but not very much, if any. Most of the Pinot Blanc gets thrown in with the Italian varietals that go into Guiliano.

BTW, both Clos Electrique and X Novo are vineyards planted in multiple clones and selections that are expected to ripen differently but be harvested together.
As is the Chardonnay from Whistling Ridge that produces the Richard’s.
Yeah, Rick A. always beats me to it. I was fairly certain that Clos Electrique was a blend of multiple clones and selections like X Novo (and Whistling Ridge via Marcus G.). Would multiple clones and selections be considered a Massale?

Speaking of Mo, we enjoyed a 2016 Ayoub Chardonnay last weekend. Definitely amped up on the second night.

I have little experience with California Chardonnay, but there are a handful of Oregon producers that should be considered for "Best domestic Chardonnay." Hard to pick a favorite, but a short list would include the folks mentioned above and add Arterberry Maresh and Crowley to the previous recommendations.

James

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