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How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

#1 Post by Bob C » June 17th, 2020, 8:04 pm

For ease of arguments sake, I spend about $1000 each year on Zinfandel. The past couple of years, most of this has gone to Turley.

I know there are some other great Zin producers out there like Bedrock, Carlisle, Limerick Lane, Robert Biale, Hartford Court, Ridge, etc.

If you had $1000 that you had to spend on Zinfandel, how do you/would you spend it?

Here's where I'm currently at:

Turley $700 (Hayne, Ueberoth, Sadie Upton, Dusi, Presenti)
Limerick Lane $300 (Marquis, Block 101)
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#2 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 17th, 2020, 8:09 pm

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#4 Post by Ian S » June 17th, 2020, 8:13 pm

I'd buy a bottle of Ridge Lytton Springs, then spend the rest on good wine. [cheers.gif]
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#5 Post by Brian Tuite » June 17th, 2020, 8:24 pm

I’d have to cut back my Zin purchases by nearly 75%. No can do.
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#6 Post by Craig G » June 17th, 2020, 8:33 pm

I don’t buy a lot of Zin these days as my wife doesn’t like it and I tend to prefer other wines, but I’m partial to Ridge Geyserville, Scherrer OMV, and Bedrock OV. Those are the ones I recommend to friends.
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#7 Post by Vince L. » June 17th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Wow, how much do you typically spend on wine a year?
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#8 Post by Bob C » June 17th, 2020, 8:41 pm

Vince L. wrote:
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Wow, how much do you typically spend on wine a year?
Way more than I should!
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#9 Post by R. Frankel » June 17th, 2020, 8:43 pm

I really like Turkey and Ridge, as do others here. But I’d mix in some Bedrock and Carlisle for sure.
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#10 Post by adam landa » June 17th, 2020, 8:45 pm

Bob...My Zin spend these days is solely Carlisle with decreasingly some Turley. If I was willing to spend more, I would likely lean to Martinelli Giuseppe & Luisa (have always enjoyed, but crept up in price) and the few Zins from Selyem.

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#11 Post by Vince L. » June 17th, 2020, 8:46 pm

Bob C wrote:
June 17th, 2020, 8:41 pm
Vince L. wrote:
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Wow, how much do you typically spend on wine a year?
Way more than I should!
Okay cuz I guess the economics of the question needed to be answered. If all you're spending is say $1,500 on wine and $1k goes to Zin... I would say get whatever is cheap and acceptable. If the ratios are completely different then obviously something a bit different. I personally don't have much experience with Zins, but the ones I've liked are Ridge & I bought a few Bedrocks that I haven't opened yet. I wasn't a fan of Turley last time I was up in Paso.
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#13 Post by joejolesch » June 17th, 2020, 8:57 pm

According to CT, my year in Zin so far:

Ridge Geyserville 2018 ~ $250
Ridge Three Valleys 2017 $40
Bedrock OVZ $120 (I plan to buy more)
Bedrock Lorenzo’s Heritage $42 (I plan to buy more)
Limerick Lane RRV $132

~ $584 to date.

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#14 Post by William Segui » June 17th, 2020, 8:58 pm

There are so many great Zins but I’d just send my $1k to Mike Officer and happily take everything I received in return

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#15 Post by Randy Bowman » June 17th, 2020, 9:03 pm

If you like Zinfandel, there are a number of interesting, different and excellent producers. There are certain foods I enjoy a Zin with so I have some regularly. Depending on how much bacon fat, blackberry, Cassis and black pepper you prefer there are number wineries/winemakers producing excellent wines. Ravenswood, Elyse, Gamba, Outpost, Howell Mountain Vineyards, Dashe, Saldo, Bucklin, half of which are on the fruit forward side in California and Sineann from Oregon to name a few worth trying. I'm sure there are more depending on the style you prefer.
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#16 Post by R Roberts » June 17th, 2020, 9:11 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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Ridge Geyserville, Bedrock Bedrock Heritage, and Carlisle Papera Ranch
I echo that +Scherrer OMV.

Tegan's Sandlands zin is very exciting too, but compared to these others, likely difficult to source.
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#17 Post by Lee Short » June 17th, 2020, 9:45 pm

Split equally among Bedrock, Scherrer, Dashe, Briceland.

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#19 Post by David Baum » June 17th, 2020, 11:42 pm

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#20 Post by F.Daner » June 18th, 2020, 12:48 am

Bedrock OV, Bedrock VY, and a few others mixed in- 50%
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#21 Post by Vince T » June 18th, 2020, 4:34 am

That's about how much I spend on Zin a year.
20% Ridge Geyserville (half a case = $200)
25% Bedrock OVZ (a case = $250) = 3 summer bbq's and it's gone
45% Bedrock Other (a scant case of Bedrock, Dolinsek, Monte Rosso, Papera and Oakville Farmhouse regularly, and a smattering of others)
10% other (Sometimes a couple Carlisle; this year Wilde Farm Bedrock Vineyard, which kicks ass)

That's 2.5 cases of Zin, which actually reflects considerable restraint, as MTP makes his release notes so damn enticing every time.
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#22 Post by Howard Cooper » June 18th, 2020, 4:55 am

I have never spent anywhere near $1000 on Zinfandel in a year and doubt I ever would do so, but if I did I would split it:

60% Ridge Geyserville
40% Ridge Lytton Springs

And, within that I would try to find some older examples.
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#23 Post by Scott Brunson » June 18th, 2020, 5:27 am

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I’d have to cut back my Zin purchases by nearly 75%. No can do.
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I’m not quite that extreme but similar.
Limerick, Carlisle, Bedrock, Boheme, Ridge, Frog’s...
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#24 Post by Steve L Gellman » June 18th, 2020, 5:31 am

I’ve cut back on Turley. I’d go with a base of Carlisle and add in Turley, Limerick Lane and Martinelli

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#25 Post by J a y H a c k » June 18th, 2020, 5:41 am

Carlisle, Black Sears, Ridge, Bedrock
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#26 Post by Michael Feldman » June 18th, 2020, 6:00 am

Vince L. wrote:
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Wow, how much do you typically spend on wine a year?
You can easily spend that on 5-6 bottles of NAPA cabernet.

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#27 Post by Andrew Demaree » June 18th, 2020, 6:10 am

Based on how I do purchase zin, I would go with a mix of Carlisle and Bedrock (~ $300 each), and spread the last $400 among Turley, Bucklin, and Limerick Lane.

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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 18th, 2020, 6:31 am

It's funny, on first blush, $1000 on Zin does not sound like much. But when you consider the price-point of top-tier Zins, it actually turns out to be 2+ cases per year. That's a lot of Zin. That's probably the amount that I buy but I'm slowing down on accumulating Zin. It's tough with producers like Bedrock, as Morgan makes so many damn fine, unique Zins and Zin-blends. You should at least grab a case or more of Bedrock. Grab some of the classic field blends like Heritage, Pagani. et al, and definitely make sure you grab 6 of the OV Zin, it's arguably the best QPR in American wine. It's a great wine to drink whenever, especially while the field blends mature. I think these field blends need time in the bottle. Then grab a case of Ridge, with Geyserville as the classic core purchase. That's about $1000.
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#29 Post by Brian Tuite » June 18th, 2020, 6:35 am

David Baum wrote:
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#30 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 18th, 2020, 6:36 am

Vince T wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 4:34 am
That's about how much I spend on Zin a year.
20% Ridge Geyserville (half a case = $200)
25% Bedrock OVZ (a case = $250) = 3 summer bbq's and it's gone
45% Bedrock Other (a scant case of Bedrock, Dolinsek, Monte Rosso, Papera and Oakville Farmhouse regularly, and a smattering of others)
10% other (Sometimes a couple Carlisle; this year Wilde Farm Bedrock Vineyard, which kicks ass)

That's 2.5 cases of Zin, which actually reflects considerable restraint, as MTP makes his release notes so damn enticing every time.
LOL, I guess I shoulda scrolled up before I posted my near-identical advice. Oops. [cheers.gif]
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#31 Post by JeremyMullman » June 18th, 2020, 6:42 am

I buy a fair amount of zin from a variety of producers, and one way I diversify is by keeping the bulk of my purchases in each AVA with specific producers.

For instance, Carlisle for RRV, Bedrock and Bucklin for Sonoma Valley, etc... I make exceptions but my focus with each producer is their “home” ava. It leaves some great wine on the table but it helps spread budget around.

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#32 Post by Michael Martin » June 18th, 2020, 6:53 am

Carlisle Papera, Pagani and Montafi would get a chunk.

Once and Future Teldeschi would certainly be in there.

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#33 Post by K Kl@dder » June 18th, 2020, 7:37 am

Like many others, Ridge (Geyser and Lytton), Bedrock (Heritage, Evangelho, smattering of others to try), Once and Future, Scherrer OVZ, and try the Montelena Zin. One of our favorites from non traditional Zin producer.
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#34 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » June 18th, 2020, 7:48 am

No Bedrock Monte Rosso Zin love?
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#35 Post by Paul McCourt » June 18th, 2020, 7:56 am

William Segui wrote:
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There are so many great Zins but I’d just send my $1k to Mike Officer and happily take everything I received in return
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#36 Post by Brian Gilp » June 18th, 2020, 8:13 am

Not that I ever plan out purchases but if I did it should look similar to
One case Hobo. $300-$360
Half case Wilde Farm. $120. Note historically been able to get this price.
Half case Bedrock OV. $120
Half case Bedrock SVD mainly Bedrock and Monte Rosso $250

Leaves roughly $150 for shipping and random purchases.

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#37 Post by Vince T » June 18th, 2020, 9:50 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 6:36 am
Vince T wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 4:34 am
That's about how much I spend on Zin a year.
20% Ridge Geyserville (half a case = $200)
25% Bedrock OVZ (a case = $250) = 3 summer bbq's and it's gone
45% Bedrock Other (a scant case of Bedrock, Dolinsek, Monte Rosso, Papera and Oakville Farmhouse regularly, and a smattering of others)
10% other (Sometimes a couple Carlisle; this year Wilde Farm Bedrock Vineyard, which kicks ass)

That's 2.5 cases of Zin, which actually reflects considerable restraint, as MTP makes his release notes so damn enticing every time.
LOL, I guess I shoulda scrolled up before I posted my near-identical advice. Oops. [cheers.gif]
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#38 Post by Mel Knox » June 18th, 2020, 10:01 am

No love for Fred Scherrer??
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#39 Post by Scott E. » June 18th, 2020, 10:06 am

I'm a little north of $1500/yr on Zin now. Since I got priced out of Napa Cab several years ago, I decided to start buying more good Zin - and for considerably less money. Cheers!

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#40 Post by Chris Seiber » June 18th, 2020, 10:08 am

Mel Knox wrote:
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No love for Fred Scherrer??
I was just going to say:

- Carlisle and Ridge are the most obvious omissions in the OP's zin budget

- Also, if you buy Scherrer zin on futures, they're $300/case, which is a crazy good deal. You do have to buy them on futures to get that pricing, and frankly, the wines really benefit from at least a couple of years of bottle age beyond that, though you can certainly enjoy them sooner. But if you can start and continue the program, it's a great way to fill part of your annual zin picture. The wines are beautiful, pure, balanced, ageworthy.

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#41 Post by Jeff_M. » June 18th, 2020, 10:10 am

I buy a lot of zin and we use it as a cellar defender to age our Cabs and other varietals we want more age on. I have a nice supply of zin in the 4-6 year age range so I can pull them at what I feel is a more optimal drinking age. Some of them we hold back to age longer.

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#42 Post by Nathan V. » June 18th, 2020, 11:05 am

Brian Gilp wrote:
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Not that I ever plan out purchases but if I did it should look similar to
One case Hobo. $300-$360
So glad someone mentioned this. The one Zinfandel I generally buy every year is the Hobo Branham Vineyard from Rockpile in Sonoma County. It's a very cool site and the wine is always in the 12.8 - 13.5 range in vintages I've seen.

https://www.hobowines.com/collections/h ... oma-county

I also like the regular Sonoma County bottling. Others in that style that I've liked are the Broc Vine Starr and Briceland Ishi Pishi Ranch.

I've bought a few Bedrock Heritage wines because I've liked some bottles from friends and like the project. I'd also second Scherrer OMV and Dashe. I don't buy Ridge wines anymore and I'm not sure why because they remain excellent. I guess I just had so many during my formative years.

We don't drink much zinfandel because I guess we drink Italian wines in most cases where zinfandel would flourish.
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#43 Post by Bob C » June 18th, 2020, 12:30 pm

Some really great advice on here, much appreciated!

Looking like I definitely need to pull back on Turley, add some Bedrock and Carlisle, and possibly some others.

And yeah, price or Napa Cabs have definitely been squeezing me out a bit, so Zin provides that more affordable option. Still splurge on the age-worthy Napa cabs though, just not at a high rate. It’s nice to have those bottles available that don’t need as much cellar time.
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#44 Post by David Baum » June 18th, 2020, 12:30 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:
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David Baum wrote:
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All 4 bottles?
A mixed case of Scherrer on futures each year runs me $340 all in and is about as much Zin as I drink. I can pick up 20 bottles of 2016 Beringer Knights Valley Reserve with the balance which Id drink far more of. If you havent had it, Id seek it out. Great value [cheers.gif]

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#45 Post by Rich Brown » June 18th, 2020, 12:42 pm

Echoing most of the responses here I'd go:

55% Bedrock
30% Carlisle
15% mixed between Once & Future, Bucklin, Ridge, and Beekeeper.
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#46 Post by Adam Frisch » June 18th, 2020, 12:48 pm

I think Lodi offers some very interesting Zin's for the price. Yes, the reputation for big is still there, but there are a lot of newer producers that are making some leaner and more traditional Zins. Alquimista Cellars Zin is a magic little leaner standout. From the Jesse's Grove Vineyard, which might be the oldest Zin plantings in Lodi. R Caporoso has a good article about the major Lodi Zin producers and their styles in this article:

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Re: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

#47 Post by markjchambers » June 18th, 2020, 6:23 pm

I've bought from all of the major producers. People talk about the OV blends, but the single vineyards are my favorites. With Turley,
I never thought Hayne was worth it at $75. Uebroth was my favorite. You can't beat the Carlisle single vineyards, especially at the pre-release price. You can get them for ~$40. Bedrock is a bit more, but I don't have enough experience to say whether or not they're worth it. I'd probably put the $1000 all into Carlisle Papera.

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Re: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

#48 Post by Albert R » June 18th, 2020, 6:33 pm

Most of my Zinfandel purchases are Bedrock at 70% and Carlisle at 25%. The remaining 5% is a mixed bag.
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Re: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

#49 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 18th, 2020, 6:34 pm

Vince T wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 9:50 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 6:36 am
Vince T wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 4:34 am
That's about how much I spend on Zin a year.
20% Ridge Geyserville (half a case = $200)
25% Bedrock OVZ (a case = $250) = 3 summer bbq's and it's gone
45% Bedrock Other (a scant case of Bedrock, Dolinsek, Monte Rosso, Papera and Oakville Farmhouse regularly, and a smattering of others)
10% other (Sometimes a couple Carlisle; this year Wilde Farm Bedrock Vineyard, which kicks ass)

That's 2.5 cases of Zin, which actually reflects considerable restraint, as MTP makes his release notes so damn enticing every time.
LOL, I guess I shoulda scrolled up before I posted my near-identical advice. Oops. [cheers.gif]
Great minds! The geyserville and OVZ are my go to party wines when gathering and feeding a bunch of friends... whether it’s bbq or tacos or a big roast.

That’s actually a really good point. I do likewise in bigger mixed crowd functions, say like family Thanksgiving. The Bedrock OV and Ridge Geyserville are huge crowd pleasers. These seem to scratch the itch for both the modernists and the classicists. I also add in Chateauneuf du Pape, like some Pegau. Also has that fun peppery and rich fruit showcase, pairs so well with so many things.
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Re: How would you spend $1000/year on Zinfandel

#50 Post by Vince T » June 18th, 2020, 6:58 pm

Hmm, not sure I’d spring Pegau on unsuspecting guests! That seems a bit risky... maybe a Coudoulet de Beaucastel.
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