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#1 Post by Robert Dentice » September 13th, 2020, 7:56 am

Inspired by Brian Stotter's post on a recent bottle of Montecillo and his query on the next release I sent word up to the Mountain.



Word came down that the next release will be October 6th. 2014 Montecillo and Vare.

I also heard from a visitor to the Mountain that the 2019 Jesud, the first vintage from the estate vineyard, is a stunning wine and one of the best wines this extremely experienced Napa taster had tried on a recent Napa trip.

Absolutely love the old school style of these wines and the very fair prices. I think there is still some room on the mailing list.

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#2 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 13th, 2020, 8:11 am

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#3 Post by blarmston » September 13th, 2020, 8:59 am

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#4 Post by Andrew S » September 13th, 2020, 12:53 pm

How do these compare stylistically to the Bedrock and Di Costanzo versions of the Montecillo Cab?
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#5 Post by Robert Dentice » September 14th, 2020, 4:19 am

Andrew S wrote:
September 13th, 2020, 12:53 pm
How do these compare stylistically to the Bedrock and Di Costanzo versions of the Montecillo Cab?
I have not had either producer’s wine from Montecillo. I have had Di Constanzo wines and would guess it is closer to that. The Beta wines are throwback wines. Elegant, hints of green without being underripe and a coolness / lightness I don’t see in Napa today. Although I don’t drink that much recent Napa cab. Hope that helps
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#6 Post by MICHAEL C R O M W E L L » September 14th, 2020, 7:07 am

I’ve not had Bedrock’s version, but I’ve had Arnot Roberts, Beta and Di Costanzo. If I put them on a scale of 1-10 (lean to bold), I would put AR as a 2, Beta as a 5, and Di Costanzo as a 6.

I personally prefer the Beta over the Di Costanzo, but only by a hair. No losers in that race.
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#7 Post by Robert Dentice » September 14th, 2020, 8:35 am

MICHAEL C R O M W E L L wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 7:07 am
I’ve not had Bedrock’s version, but I’ve had Arnot Roberts, Beta and Di Costanzo. If I put them on a scale of 1-10 (lean to bold), I would put AR as a 2, Beta as a 5, and Di Costanzo as a 6.

I personally prefer the Beta over the Di Costanzo, but only by a hair. No losers in that race.
Thank you. That makes sense to me. Would be a good tasting.
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#8 Post by Andrew S » September 14th, 2020, 10:15 am

Thanks for your thoughts everyone. Sounds like it’s right in my wheelhouse. Will be looking forward to the release!
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#9 Post by Matt Latuchie » September 14th, 2020, 10:42 am

Thanks for the update Robert - exciting news!
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#10 Post by Jeff_M. » October 6th, 2020, 9:07 am

October 6th, 2020



Dear friends -



Although it is an uncomfortable time to be releasing wine, we have decided to move forward with our previously planned release. We will send an update of how the challenges from this year are coming along with our offering on Tuesday, October 13th at 9AM PST. This release will include both our Monticello and Vare Cabernet's produced from the 2014 vintage, 203 cases were produced between the two vineyards.



We truly appreciate all the support and well wishes during this difficult time for our community.



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#11 Post by Robert Dentice » October 6th, 2020, 9:13 am

I know it is a very tough time for all. I will let Ketan give you the details but suffice it to said he was significantly impacted by the fires. I can't wait to support him with this offer. Knowing him the orders will mean as much as the cash flow.
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#12 Post by Nicholas C » October 6th, 2020, 9:38 am

Just got the email as well. Anyone know the prior release prices for these?
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#13 Post by Glen Gold » October 6th, 2020, 9:44 am

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October 6th, 2020, 9:13 am
I know it is a very tough time for all. I will let Ketan give you the details but suffice it to said he was significantly impacted by the fires. I can't wait to support him with this offer. Knowing him the orders will mean as much as the cash flow.
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#14 Post by Jeff_M. » October 6th, 2020, 9:47 am

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October 6th, 2020, 9:38 am
Just got the email as well. Anyone know the prior release prices for these?
Vare was $85 per bottle last year, sold in a 3 pack

I passed on the Montecillo. I may reverse that this year.
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#15 Post by dougwilder » October 6th, 2020, 10:28 am

Nicholas C wrote:
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Just got the email as well. Anyone know the prior release prices for these?
As with the Vare, Montecilllo 'was' priced at $85 (for the 2011 - 2014 vintages) I hope damage, if any is minimal on Diamond Mountain. I heard from Mary Constant that the original winery building on her former property burned.
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#16 Post by Robert M yers » October 6th, 2020, 10:30 am

Are all the more recent vintages aging in bottle somehwere? What’s his theory for waiting so long to release?

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#17 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » October 6th, 2020, 10:33 am

From what he told me by e-mail, Ketan says that they picked the vineyard on Diamond Mountain and another vineyard called Hamilton that he farms, but that his fruit from Montecillo, Maus, Lupina, and Vare vineyards all have smoke taint.
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#18 Post by dougwilder » October 6th, 2020, 10:38 am

If it is helpful, here are my notes on the 2014 Beta from a tasting I did with Ketan on Diamond Mountain last year.

2014 CABERNET SAUVIGNON, MONTECILLO VINEYARD MOON MOUNTAIN 14.1% $85 92
2014 CABERNET SAUVIGNON, VARE VINEYARD OAK KNOLL 14.1% $85 94

2014 CABERNET SAUVIGNON, MONTECILLO VINEYARD The nose is rich black fruit, chocolate, licorice and dried plum. The palate entry is an expressive violet on entry with a concentrated core of mouth-coating black plum and fresh red raspberry acidity on the finish. Drink 2020 – 2028. 2014 CABERNET SAUVIGNON, VARE VINEYARD The nose is a deep black cherry and plum with underlying cocoa. The palate echoes the nose adding a lean mouth-coating blackberry, camphor and lingering lavender on the finish. Drink 2020 – 2032.
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#19 Post by Mike C. » October 6th, 2020, 10:51 am

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
October 6th, 2020, 10:33 am
From what he told me by e-mail, Ketan says that they picked the vineyard on Diamond Mountain and another vineyard called Hamilton that he farms, but that his fruit from Montecillo, Maus, Lupina, and Vare vineyards all have smoke taint.
While that’s not great news, it is at least better than what I was imagining (e.g., the Diamond Mountain vineyard burning through given the work he’s put in to plant and farm that). Looking forward to supporting him through the upcoming offer.
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#20 Post by Robert Dentice » October 6th, 2020, 11:46 am

Robert M yers wrote:
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Are all the more recent vintages aging in bottle somehwere? What’s his theory for waiting so long to release?
Yes they are. I think it is a combination of he wants them to age and he lives in the vineyard and gets around to it when he can.
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#21 Post by ChrisWolff » October 6th, 2020, 12:25 pm

I got the email after only recently signing up- does anyone know if that means I will get an allocation or does the announcement go out to all? Thanks

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#22 Post by Robert Dentice » October 6th, 2020, 12:28 pm

ChrisWolff wrote:
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I got the email after only recently signing up- does anyone know if that means I will get an allocation or does the announcement go out to all? Thanks
I would think so. Although it will sell out so be fast.
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#23 Post by ChrisWolff » October 6th, 2020, 5:41 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 6th, 2020, 12:28 pm
ChrisWolff wrote:
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I got the email after only recently signing up- does anyone know if that means I will get an allocation or does the announcement go out to all? Thanks
I would think so. Although it will sell out so be fast.
Excellent, thanks.

So last year as 3 packs of each for $255? Going to have to 're-work' that budget again

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#24 Post by Mike Ott » October 13th, 2020, 9:09 am

And it's open....order in!
However, after reading the letter really unfortunate and awful the impact of the fires on Ketan's property...just terrible.
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#25 Post by Benny P » October 13th, 2020, 9:09 am

Looks like the offer is open now....
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#26 Post by Jeff_M. » October 13th, 2020, 9:12 am

In for both. I am regretting not ordering the Monticello last year.
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#27 Post by MikeHill » October 13th, 2020, 9:17 am

In for both. Can't believe what they've been going through. Happy to support with this purchase.

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#28 Post by Mike C. » October 13th, 2020, 9:19 am

Seems like the damage was much worse than suggested upthread. In for a 3-pack of each.
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#29 Post by Robert Dentice » October 13th, 2020, 9:23 am

Mike C. wrote:
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Seems like the damage was much worse than suggested upthread. In for a 3-pack of each.
It was pretty bad, I have seen the pictures. Devastation. Needless to say my order is in. And so happy the vineyard was not completely destroyed and will hopefully prove to be resilient.
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#30 Post by DavidChang » October 13th, 2020, 9:27 am

Supporting Ketan. In for 3 packs of each

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#31 Post by Glen Gold » October 13th, 2020, 9:44 am

Wow. What a rough experience. One fire after another.
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#32 Post by Ron Slye » October 13th, 2020, 9:54 am

For those who did not receive the email, here it is. Sounds pretty devastating.


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October 13th, 2020

Hi,

2020 has been a challenge for every living thing on this big greenish blue marble, its weight not escaping any corner. While looking to forget the current world state, harvest this year was much needed, but for us never really came. The 2020 vintage was looking to be stellar, and the second crop off of our home vineyard on Diamond Mountain, Jasud. Fires started and smoke came, which took away the annual ritual that completes our cycle for the year. We picked the two vineyards we currently farm, Jasud and Hamilton, and didn’t pick Montecillo, Vare, Lupina or Maus due to smoke taint. In all likelihood we will not be selling the little amount of wine made this vintage.

This year not being one to allow any respite, the Glass Fire started a few weeks after our choice to not pick had been made. We woke that Sunday morning to a disaster just starting to unfold. The winery which we moved into a month prior in Saint Helena was being threatened by fire, all of the 18s and 19s as well as the wines being offered to you today were about to be destroyed. With luck and help, a group of us fought the fires back and kept the winery from burning by mere feet. After that long day I went home to take a shower and then Spring Mountain lit up. That night the community came together again, we evacuated houses, horses, and people as the fire started to rage on both sides of the valley…everything was burning. The next few days were spent fighting spot fires and keeping things at bay where we could, not having any idea that the fire was creeping toward our ranch on Diamond Mountain. By the time we were able to get up to the vineyard the damage had been done. The fire burned so hot it vaporized almost everything it came in contact with on our property. In the end we lost the house, shops, tools, tractors and one excavator. Half of the vineyard was burned, most of which we hope will recover but honestly we won’t know for a while. Some of our heavy equipment and random personal belongings made it out unscathed, but everything else ceases to exist, not even a shovel. In all of this tragedy there is a lot to be thankful for, we are still alive and healthy and that is all one can really hope for. We will rebuild and replant and keep moving forward because that is the only direction to go, and along the way there will be many silver linings found. All of this makes me deeply appreciative to be able to make wine and to share it, to truly be able to complete the circle.

While 2014 seems lifetimes ago currently, it is the other year I am writing to you about today. It was a drought year and not that particularly hot. Both Vare and Montecillo were picked the second week in September, which started an early trend that has yet to let up with the drought and other circumstances. Wines from this vintage seem to be more muscular and floral than 13. These wines saw 23 months in neutral barrels and were only racked for bottling. At least a 2 hour decant is needed if you are going to have them in the next few years. I really love these wines and I think they are just starting to drink well.

Everything that has happened this year and especially recently has made this valley truly feel like home. The unbelievable way friends and family have come together to support each other in such hard times is hard to put into words. This road was always going to a been long one, unfortunately it just got a little longer, but we aren’t going anywhere. If anything, rebuilding will only make our determination more resolute.

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#33 Post by R. Frankel » October 13th, 2020, 10:18 am

Reading Ketan's note really brings home how terrible this fire season has been, and how resilient the community must be. I was thinking about getting either the Vare or the Montecillo, but am in for 3 of each.
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#35 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » October 13th, 2020, 11:08 am

I can barely imagine the resilience that it takes to go through what Ketan and others have, and still be waking up every day to keep going, and even be positive about the future.
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#36 Post by F.Daner » October 13th, 2020, 11:45 am

That was the easiest purchase of the year. I'm excited to try Ketan's wines and support his efforts in the face of some really tough obstacles. The path he choose originally was not the easy one so I take heart in the final sentence of his release letter and look forward to cheering along the way

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#37 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » October 13th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Really sad news. In for 6 plus a mag

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#38 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » October 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm

I've only recently been made aware of Beta - just placed my first order. Looking forward to trying the wine - thanks all for the tip!

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#39 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » October 13th, 2020, 3:57 pm

Went for 3 of each as last time.
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#40 Post by MICHAEL C R O M W E L L » October 13th, 2020, 3:59 pm

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#41 Post by Michael S. » November 19th, 2020, 9:18 pm

Thanks to this board I was made aware of Ketan's efforts and his Beta Wines. I ended up picking up 3 of each wine before he sold out. The wines arrived yesterday. Question for those more familiar with the project:

The labels appear to be packaging tape (my shipper was sealed with what looked to be leftover 2011 vintage tape ('labels')). Am I correct in my assessment that the labels are packaging tape? If so, any thoughts as to whether they were hand applied or put on via a labeler of some sort?

I'm excited to try the wines once they settle for a bit and hope that Ketan selling out of his current release brings some respite from his losses in 2020.

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#42 Post by Glen Gold » November 19th, 2020, 11:00 pm

Michael S. wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:18 pm
Thanks to this board I was made aware of Ketan's efforts and his Beta Wines. I ended up picking up 3 of each wine before he sold out. The wines arrived yesterday. Question for those more familiar with the project:

The labels appear to be packaging tape (my shipper was sealed with what looked to be leftover 2011 vintage tape ('labels')). Am I correct in my assessment that the labels are packaging tape? If so, any thoughts as to whether they were hand applied or put on via a labeler of some sort?

I'm excited to try the wines once they settle for a bit and hope that Ketan selling out of his current release brings some respite from his losses in 2020.

Cheers,

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This is a great question that I don't know the answer to, but I just want to say here that Beta might have my favorite labels of any wine to bring out for company. It feels like you're getting a band's underground mix tape, back when there were such things.
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#43 Post by Robert Dentice » November 20th, 2020, 4:34 am

Michael S. wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:18 pm
Thanks to this board I was made aware of Ketan's efforts and his Beta Wines. I ended up picking up 3 of each wine before he sold out. The wines arrived yesterday. Question for those more familiar with the project:

The labels appear to be packaging tape (my shipper was sealed with what looked to be leftover 2011 vintage tape ('labels')). Am I correct in my assessment that the labels are packaging tape? If so, any thoughts as to whether they were hand applied or put on via a labeler of some sort?

I'm excited to try the wines once they settle for a bit and hope that Ketan selling out of his current release brings some respite from his losses in 2020.

Cheers
Michael
I don't know how they are applied. I do know that Ketan's good friend Michael McDermott is an extremely talented artist and has designed many of the best labels in Napa. Ketan is known for having little patience for things like label design as he would rather be in the vineyard. I think Michael designed the tape as possibly a Joke early on and Ketan just went with it! The Beta brand of course is for wine he is making while waiting for the estate vineyard to come online. I would assume the labels for Jasud will be much nicer...but you never know!
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#44 Post by Jeff_M. » November 20th, 2020, 7:46 am

Michael S. wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:18 pm
Thanks to this board I was made aware of Ketan's efforts and his Beta Wines. I ended up picking up 3 of each wine before he sold out. The wines arrived yesterday. Question for those more familiar with the project:

The labels appear to be packaging tape (my shipper was sealed with what looked to be leftover 2011 vintage tape ('labels')). Am I correct in my assessment that the labels are packaging tape? If so, any thoughts as to whether they were hand applied or put on via a labeler of some sort?

I'm excited to try the wines once they settle for a bit and hope that Ketan selling out of his current release brings some respite from his losses in 2020.

Cheers,

Michael
I bought last year and this year and its the same label. I don't remember the tape on the box last year but definitely saw it this time around. If it is just packaging tape, its pretty dang cool. Not sure how they applied them to the bottles. That would be a good question to email in to the winery.
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#45 Post by JackW e i s s b e r g » November 20th, 2020, 11:59 am

I had to look twice myself when I received my bottles to figure out that I was actually seeing the effects of a "wraparound" of packing tape. I thought I might be seeing a printing mistake and a double image when I first looked. Very unique, and very cool from a design perspective.

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Re: Beta release coming...

#46 Post by Michael S. » November 21st, 2020, 9:51 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 4:34 am
Michael S. wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:18 pm
Thanks to this board I was made aware of Ketan's efforts and his Beta Wines. I ended up picking up 3 of each wine before he sold out. The wines arrived yesterday. Question for those more familiar with the project:

The labels appear to be packaging tape (my shipper was sealed with what looked to be leftover 2011 vintage tape ('labels')). Am I correct in my assessment that the labels are packaging tape? If so, any thoughts as to whether they were hand applied or put on via a labeler of some sort?

I'm excited to try the wines once they settle for a bit and hope that Ketan selling out of his current release brings some respite from his losses in 2020.

Cheers
Michael
I don't know how they are applied. I do know that Ketan's good friend Michael McDermott is an extremely talented artist and has designed many of the best labels in Napa. Ketan is known for having little patience for things like label design as he would rather be in the vineyard. I think Michael designed the tape as possibly a Joke early on and Ketan just went with it! The Beta brand of course is for wine he is making while waiting for the estate vineyard to come online. I would assume the labels for Jasud will be much nicer...but you never know!
Thanks for this info.
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Re: Beta release coming...

#47 Post by JDavisRoby » November 22nd, 2020, 8:55 am

My first purchase of Beta was this release. Budget only allowed for a three pack of Moon Mountain. Unknown shipping issue with their contract shipper. Mel emailed me Friday to say Ketan was dropping at FedEx personally. Love great service from the smaller wineries. Can’t wait to get these in the cellar.
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#48 Post by Keith Levenberg » November 22nd, 2020, 8:12 pm

Love the packing tape labels & agree with the mix tape vibe. Which one of these should I try first, the Napa or Sonoma?

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#49 Post by Michael R. Bernstein » November 24th, 2020, 3:47 pm

The labels indeed come on packing tape rolls -- I've seen him apply them on the mountain myself!

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#50 Post by JDavisRoby » November 24th, 2020, 5:00 pm

Given the age at release how long do you folks cellar these?
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