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#1 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 20th, 2020, 7:40 pm

The other thread on how Berserkers started their cellars got me to thinking about folks who mentioned wines they love drinking or collecting that aren’t necessarily critic darlings.

I’d be curious to hear from others about those wines. For example, I really enjoy Corison and score it high (for me) but notice my ratings are typically higher than the critics. Other examples?

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#2 Post by Chris H. » September 20th, 2020, 8:57 pm

Corison is a great producer that I'd rate higher than the usual 90-93 points her wines seem to get, but with that said, Galloni usually likes a restrained more classic Napa cab that she produces. A. Rafanelli comes to mind, but I don't think they submit their wines for review (any more?).
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#3 Post by Craig G » September 20th, 2020, 9:13 pm

Is that even possible?
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#4 Post by brodie thomson » September 20th, 2020, 10:30 pm

Pretty much every German Kabinett I drink!

Most critics seem to to consistently rate Spatlese higher than Kabinett and Auslese higher than Spatlese. Mostly I prefer Kabinett so I differ from the critics

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#5 Post by Matt Mauldin » September 20th, 2020, 10:37 pm

My favorite Napa wineries tend to not get a lot of critical attention - White Rock, Smith-Madrone and Frog’s Leap.
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#6 Post by Kevin Porter » September 21st, 2020, 4:42 am

ESJ comes immediately to mind but only for some (one?) critics.

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#7 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 21st, 2020, 4:53 am

Leaving aside Gillman, mine would be Chateau Magdelaine. Levet would be up there as well. And Olga Raffault.
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#8 Post by Robert Dentice » September 21st, 2020, 5:23 am

brodie thomson wrote:
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Pretty much every German Kabinett I drink!

Most critics seem to to consistently rate Spatlese higher than Kabinett and Auslese higher than Spatlese. Mostly I prefer Kabinett so I differ from the critics
Definitely Kabinett and Kabinett Trocken even more!

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#9 Post by Howard Cooper » September 21st, 2020, 5:54 am

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Leaving aside Gillman, mine would be Chateau Magdelaine. Levet would be up there as well. And Olga Raffault.
Gilman writes the only wine newsletter I read. Why would you leave him aside? Should we also leave aside William Kelley and David Schildknecht, both of whose views I tremendously respect. If you leave aside these three, I probably would say all Burgundy. Add leaving aside Mosel Fine Wines and my answer would be all German wines.

Who are the "critics" and do they all rate wine the same way.
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#10 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » September 21st, 2020, 5:59 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:54 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Leaving aside Gillman, mine would be Chateau Magdelaine. Levet would be up there as well. And Olga Raffault.
Gilman writes the only wine newsletter I read. Why would you leave him aside? Should we also leave aside William Kelley and David Schildknecht, both of whose views I tremendously respect. If you leave aside these three, I probably would say all Burgundy. Add leaving aside Mosel Fine Wines and my answer would be all German wines.

Who are the "critics" and do they all rate wine the same way.
I think he meant that Gilman is the only critic who does rate Magdelaine highly. So if the question is wines you rate more highly than the critics, he's saying he rates it higher than the critics with the exception of Gilman. Not that one should generally ignore Gilman.
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#11 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 21st, 2020, 6:01 am

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:59 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:54 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 4:53 am
Leaving aside Gillman, mine would be Chateau Magdelaine. Levet would be up there as well. And Olga Raffault.
Gilman writes the only wine newsletter I read. Why would you leave him aside? Should we also leave aside William Kelley and David Schildknecht, both of whose views I tremendously respect. If you leave aside these three, I probably would say all Burgundy. Add leaving aside Mosel Fine Wines and my answer would be all German wines.

Who are the "critics" and do they all rate wine the same way.
I think he meant that Gilman is the only critic who does rate Magdelaine highly. So if the question is wines you rate more highly than the critics, he's saying he rates it higher than the critics with the exception of Gilman.
Exactly.

Remember, Howard, Spanglish is my first language, so clearly my skillz at communicating are low. [cheers.gif]

Plus, Gillman is just not bantered about much in the retail trade as a critic of note. I guess for those of us that like his palate, that’s a great thing.
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#12 Post by Howard Cooper » September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:01 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:59 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:54 am


Gilman writes the only wine newsletter I read. Why would you leave him aside? Should we also leave aside William Kelley and David Schildknecht, both of whose views I tremendously respect. If you leave aside these three, I probably would say all Burgundy. Add leaving aside Mosel Fine Wines and my answer would be all German wines.

Who are the "critics" and do they all rate wine the same way.
I think he meant that Gilman is the only critic who does rate Magdelaine highly. So if the question is wines you rate more highly than the critics, he's saying he rates it higher than the critics with the exception of Gilman.
Exactly.

Remember, Howard, Spanglish is my first language, so clearly my skillz at communicating are low. [cheers.gif]

Plus, Gillman is just not bantered about much in the retail trade as a critic of note. I guess for those of us that like his palate, that’s a great thing.
My real point is that in our post Parker era there are hundreds of critics, not one all knowing one, with widely divergent tastes and ratings. Who are the "critics" that do not like Magdelaine. Do William Kelley or Tanzer not like Magdelaine? I have a hard time seeing "the critics" as a monolithic whole the way we might have 10-20 years ago when if someone said the critics I would know that they mean Parker and the Wine Spectator. I don't see the world of wine criticism today as being the same where one or two voices predominate. The wine critics I read tend to like similar wines to what I like, which is why I read them. This really is a question about this whole thread, and not so much about your post. So, again, who are "the critics"?

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
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#14 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 21st, 2020, 6:17 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:01 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 5:59 am


I think he meant that Gilman is the only critic who does rate Magdelaine highly. So if the question is wines you rate more highly than the critics, he's saying he rates it higher than the critics with the exception of Gilman.
Exactly.

Remember, Howard, Spanglish is my first language, so clearly my skillz at communicating are low. [cheers.gif]

Plus, Gillman is just not bantered about much in the retail trade as a critic of note. I guess for those of us that like his palate, that’s a great thing.
My real point is that in our post Parker era there are hundreds of critics, not one all knowing one, with widely divergent tastes and ratings. Who are the "critics" that do not like Magdelaine. Do William Kelley or Tanzer not like Magdelaine? I have a hard time seeing "the critics" as a monolithic whole the way we might have 10-20 years ago when if someone said the critics I would know that they mean Parker and the Wine Spectator. I don't see the world of wine criticism today as being the same where one or two voices predominate. The wine critics I read tend to like similar wines to what I like, which is why I read them. This really is a question about this whole thread, and not so much about your post. So, again, who are "the critics"?

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
I agree with almost everything that Howard wrote here except the part about Robert’s communication skills. The mangling of his brain comes from too many Loire reds.
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#15 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » September 21st, 2020, 6:20 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
My daughter is a fourth-year medical student and she was doing some mock interviews for the upcoming residency application season. One of the reviewers said that she sounded like an attorney’s daughter - “You knew your thesis for every answer, supported it with evidence, and concluded with a summary - Doctors don’t talk like that.” [dance-clap.gif] [rofl.gif]

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#16 Post by Howard Cooper » September 21st, 2020, 6:33 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:17 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am
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Exactly.

Remember, Howard, Spanglish is my first language, so clearly my skillz at communicating are low. [cheers.gif]

Plus, Gillman is just not bantered about much in the retail trade as a critic of note. I guess for those of us that like his palate, that’s a great thing.
My real point is that in our post Parker era there are hundreds of critics, not one all knowing one, with widely divergent tastes and ratings. Who are the "critics" that do not like Magdelaine. Do William Kelley or Tanzer not like Magdelaine? I have a hard time seeing "the critics" as a monolithic whole the way we might have 10-20 years ago when if someone said the critics I would know that they mean Parker and the Wine Spectator. I don't see the world of wine criticism today as being the same where one or two voices predominate. The wine critics I read tend to like similar wines to what I like, which is why I read them. This really is a question about this whole thread, and not so much about your post. So, again, who are "the critics"?

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
I agree with almost everything that Howard wrote here except the part about Robert’s communication skills. The mangling of his brain comes from too many Loire reds.
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#17 Post by Howard Cooper » September 21st, 2020, 6:34 am

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:20 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
My daughter is a fourth-year medical student and she was doing some mock interviews for the upcoming residency application season. One of the reviewers said that she sounded like an attorney’s daughter - “You knew your thesis for every answer, supported it with evidence, and concluded with a summary - Doctors don’t talk like that.” [dance-clap.gif] [rofl.gif]
[rofl.gif] [rofl.gif] That kind of summarizes my view of the communication skills of Doctors. [head-bang.gif]
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#18 Post by Jay Miller » September 21st, 2020, 7:09 am

Craig G wrote:
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Is that even possible?
It is if you omit Suckling from the list of reviewers.
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#19 Post by Jeremy C » September 21st, 2020, 7:15 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:34 am
D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:20 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
My daughter is a fourth-year medical student and she was doing some mock interviews for the upcoming residency application season. One of the reviewers said that she sounded like an attorney’s daughter - “You knew your thesis for every answer, supported it with evidence, and concluded with a summary - Doctors don’t talk like that.” [dance-clap.gif] [rofl.gif]
[rofl.gif] [rofl.gif] That kind of summarizes my view of the communication skills of Doctors. [head-bang.gif]
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#20 Post by Jeremy C » September 21st, 2020, 7:15 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
September 20th, 2020, 7:40 pm
The other thread on how Berserkers started their cellars got me to thinking about folks who mentioned wines they love drinking or collecting that aren’t necessarily critic darlings.

I’d be curious to hear from others about those wines. For example, I really enjoy Corison and score it high (for me) but notice my ratings are typically higher than the critics. Other examples?
I think that your example is a good one as I have as well found the same to be true.
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#21 Post by Barry L i p t o n » September 21st, 2020, 8:07 am

Hmm, when a doctor says you sound like a lawyer, I don’t think it’s a compliment.

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#22 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » September 21st, 2020, 8:36 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
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Hmm, when a doctor says you sound like a lawyer, I don’t think it’s a compliment.
Normally, I'd agree - though I'd say consider the source. [wink.gif]

In this case, the reviewer explicitly stated it was meant as a compliment, and backed it up with reasons, so the reviewer is probably a lawyer's kid too! [snort.gif]

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#23 Post by John Kight » September 21st, 2020, 8:45 am

Almost any great Chianti Classico, Chianti Classico Riserva, or Cru Beaujolais. Also good trocken German Riesling (Kabinett or Spatlese), or great Austrian Riesling.

It's like there's an unwritten rule that these wines don't merit more than 92 points (maybe 93-94 for the extreme outliers). As a result, my scores are often higher. Admittedly, my ratings are not somehow trying to assess the importance or gravitas of a wine, or how long it will age, etc. I'm rating my experience with the wine as it exists at the time....Too many notes make the wine sound terrible, then give the wine a high score because they believe it will drink great some day in the future.
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#24 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 21st, 2020, 8:46 am

Barry L i p t o n wrote:
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Hmm, when a doctor says you sound like a lawyer, I don’t think it’s a compliment.
That normally means the doctor has had his/her butt kicked by a top-flight lawyer. ;)
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#25 Post by Barry L i p t o n » September 21st, 2020, 9:01 am

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 8:36 am
Barry L i p t o n wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 8:07 am
Hmm, when a doctor says you sound like a lawyer, I don’t think it’s a compliment.
Normally, I'd agree - though I'd say consider the source. [wink.gif]

In this case, the reviewer explicitly stated it was meant as a compliment, and backed it up with reasons, so the reviewer is probably a lawyer's kid too! [snort.gif]
I did not see the word “compliment “ in your quote, so I didn’t know.

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#26 Post by Richard T r i m p i » September 21st, 2020, 9:21 am

Muscadet and Chianti (especially non-classico subregions).

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#27 Post by Steve Costigan » September 21st, 2020, 9:25 am

Ojai. Pinot noir consistently. Syrah often.

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#28 Post by JBrochu » September 21st, 2020, 10:02 am

I feel like many of good reds from the lesser Burgundy appellations are given lower scores than comparable Oregon/California pinot noirs.
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#29 Post by MBerto » September 21st, 2020, 10:48 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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I’d be curious to hear from others about those wines. For example, I really enjoy Corison and score it high (for me) but notice my ratings are typically higher than the critics. Other examples?
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#30 Post by A Songeur » September 21st, 2020, 11:04 am

German Kabinett are indeed excellent QPRs... but they get pretty good critic assessment and note, So, I love them but don't think I rate them higher than critics
I would mention quite a few red Burg village wines. Indeed, critics tend to respect the hierarchy Grand Cru/1er Cru/Village and I have had many a village I consistently rate higher than 1er or grand cru from other producers.
Mugnier, Fourrier,... many other usual suspects villages most of the time get notes in the low 90s....
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#31 Post by George Chadwick » September 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm

Craig G wrote:
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Is that even possible?
Yes, not all critics get high before they rate wines.

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#32 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 21st, 2020, 3:31 pm

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:20 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 6:08 am

And, I thought your communication skillz are low because you are an attorney. [pillow-fight.gif] [snort.gif]
My daughter is a fourth-year medical student and she was doing some mock interviews for the upcoming residency application season. One of the reviewers said that she sounded like an attorney’s daughter - “You knew your thesis for every answer, supported it with evidence, and concluded with a summary - Doctors don’t talk like that.” [dance-clap.gif] [rofl.gif]
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#33 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » September 21st, 2020, 3:41 pm

German wines in general.

Though I don't care as much for points as I do the tasting note, what bothers me more is the ceiling that some categories of German wine reach in number of points given and the narrow window in which they are generally awarded points. For example, I'd say most good German kabinett is given 90-93 points by MFW, with an occasional 94 or 95 points for truly superb kabinett, whereas auslese typically start with 93 points and work their way up.
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#34 Post by mattbillet » September 21st, 2020, 3:41 pm

Jordan, Tercero, and Ojai in the US, and Spanish wines generally!

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#35 Post by Rob M » September 21st, 2020, 3:42 pm

In Barolo which is most of what I rate and drink, compared to Galloni, I don’t know if I can think of a single wine I really like and believe he underrates on the 100 point scale. If anything, crazy as this sounds, he may on a relative basis to his other scores underrate Giuseppe Rinaldi compared to me. Other than I think the Riserva Brunate in 2010 (un-released wine) I don’t recall him giving any Rinaldi 100 points for example, but I think the best vintages of Rinaldi are as good or better than wines he has rated 100 points - ie Vietti Ravera 3 times, Burlotto Monvigliero. The 99 Rinaldi Brunate (94) outshined the 99 Monfortino (100) for me this year for example.

One other one in Napa might be Di Costanzo. He’s given them very good scores, but at least relative to the scores he’s given to other wines, I peg them a notch above.
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#36 Post by Curtis Chen » September 21st, 2020, 3:51 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
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German wines in general.

Though I don't care as much for points as I do the tasting note, what bothers me more is the ceiling that some categories of German wine reach in number of points given and the narrow window in which they are generally awarded points. For example, I'd say most good German kabinett is given 90-93 points by MFW, with an occasional 94 or 95 points for truly superb kabinett, whereas auslese typically start with 93 points and work their way up.
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#37 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 21st, 2020, 4:12 pm

George Chadwick wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
Craig G wrote:
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Is that even possible?
Yes, not all critics get high before they rate wines.
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#38 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 7:09 am
Craig G wrote:
September 20th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is that even possible?
It is if you omit Suckling from the list of reviewers.
Bonus points if anyone can name a wine they’d score above Suckles.

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#39 Post by RyanC » September 21st, 2020, 4:16 pm

A Songeur wrote:
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I would mention quite a few red Burg village wines. Indeed, critics tend to respect the hierarchy Grand Cru/1er Cru/Village and I have had many a village I consistently rate higher than 1er or grand cru from other producers.
Mugnier, Fourrier,... many other usual suspects villages most of the time get notes in the low 90s....
This is my precise response. Most Burg reviewers--particularly Meadows but also Coates and others--are rigidly hierarchical. That means that villages top out at about 90-92 in most instances. But top villages wines are often far better than that: they age beautifully and can provide as much pleasure as the best wines out there. So many times I've had a good villages (Fourrier VV, M-G Vosne, and the like) that completely blew away all the 95+-point wines opened alongside them. Good Burg villages are not only better deals that a lot of stratospherically ranked wines--they're just better wines.
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#40 Post by Rob M » September 21st, 2020, 4:52 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm
Jay Miller wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 7:09 am
Craig G wrote:
September 20th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is that even possible?
It is if you omit Suckling from the list of reviewers.
Bonus points if anyone can name a wine they’d score above Suckles.
Actually easy. You just have to pick a traditional-style Barolo from a cool year. Especially if you go back to the 90s, it would be super easy....but even 2008 Bartolo Mascarello, from some Googling, JS95. I'll rate it a 96+....
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#41 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 21st, 2020, 5:01 pm

Pretty much anything from Edmunds St. John
Selbach-Oster Kabinett
Mugneret-Gibourg Bourgogne
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#42 Post by Keith Levenberg » September 21st, 2020, 5:19 pm

George Chadwick wrote:
September 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
Craig G wrote:
September 20th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is that even possible?
Yes, not all critics get high before they rate wines.
Did not think the perfect reply could be improved upon. Chapeau, gents.

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#43 Post by Andrew K. » September 21st, 2020, 5:42 pm

Pretty much anything from DRC. The ratings are constantly mediocre.
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#44 Post by ETurner » September 21st, 2020, 6:00 pm

I'm big on Richard Kershaw's Chard and Pinot. I think they're well below they're rating. Take this with a grain of salt...I'm new here but I'm excited about this wine.
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#45 Post by davidlown » September 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm

I always tend to feel that cheap but well made cotes du Rhone in the $8-$14 range often over performs its price and ratings. Many times I drink them and think they are in the 90-92 range to me and are just pretty tasting and downright enjoyable. Often when I go up the price range in southern rhone I quickly find them too cloying and oaky. So in feel like cotes du rhone is often thought of as light and too simple but I find it to overpeform ratings and price.

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#46 Post by Ben M a n d l e r » September 21st, 2020, 7:54 pm

Historically I would say no, but lately I’m starting to think I’m higher on some New Zealand Syrahs than the reviewers. Also sometimes some “lesser” classed growth Bordeaux. And maybe Rafanelli and Truchard.
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#47 Post by Brian Tuite » September 21st, 2020, 8:48 pm

Points don’t matter, unless of course they’re my points? [stirthepothal.gif]
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#48 Post by Rich K0rz€nk0 » September 21st, 2020, 9:37 pm

Obviously subjective, but from above... Smith Madrone, saw that up there earlier, a good call. Also, easily, Selbach-Oster Kabinett, great value and more deserving of better love.

Thinking about others, Rauzan-Segla hits a higher batting average for me. Chateau Gloria I also feel is under-reviewed/appreciated and ages better than advertised. Pio Cesare never gets its full props IMO. Also would throw up Chateau Guiraud for a Sauternes pick.
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#49 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » September 21st, 2020, 11:00 pm

Honestly, I don't know because I don't pay much attention to critics' scores. It also doesn't help that I tend to score most wines in a very narrow range when I do bother to score a wine (88-92).

But, to hazard a guess, I'd say:
1. generally, dry Sherry
2. Grand Puy Lacoste (maybe ... score inflation is so rampant among critics these days, I could be wrong here)
3. dry whites with purposely oxidative tones
4. Baudry's Croix Boissee
5. 2010 German Riesling
6. 2008 red Burgundy
7. 2014 red Bordeaux
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#50 Post by Paul @bbott » September 22nd, 2020, 4:27 am

Is this a way of reflecting on our own preferences? I often get huge satisfaction from middle range Bordeaux, such as Caronne St Gemme. It suits my taste and I have been following it since 1982 the critics never mention it, but it is like a comfort blanket for me.

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