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2018 gonon rouge

#1 Post by davidlown » October 11th, 2020, 3:29 pm

Let’s start by saying I listened again to Levi daltons podcast today with Jean gonon. Gonon said give young gonon a 12 hours decant. At hour 4 in the decanter this is silly good. The acidity seemed to double on this fat sweet olive juice. The only other controversial thing I will say is this; I remember drinking pax’s 2016 Sonoma hillsides that got 100 from gallloni and really liked it. Anyway, this gonon at hour 5 spanks the Sonoma hillsides x10. No matter how you look at it. In summary, the first 3 hours really good, at 5 hours this is a truly great wine.

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#2 Post by Robert Dentice » October 11th, 2020, 3:35 pm

davidlown wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 3:29 pm
Let’s start by saying I listened again to Levi daltons podcast today with Jean gonon. Gonon said give young gonon a 12 hours decant. At hour 4 in the decanter this is silly good. The acidity seemed to double on this fat sweet olive juice. The only other controversial thing I will say is this; I remember drinking pax’s 2016 Sonoma hillsides that got 100 from gallloni and really liked it. Anyway, this gonon at hour 5 spanks the Sonoma hillsides x10. No matter how you look at it. In summary, the first 3 hours really good, at 5 hours this is a truly great wine.

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Great note. I am always afraid to decant any wine this long.
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#3 Post by c fu » October 11th, 2020, 3:38 pm

thanks for the note David, haven't taken in any of my 18 gonon yet, i always give them plenty of air
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#4 Post by c fu » October 11th, 2020, 3:38 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 3:35 pm
davidlown wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 3:29 pm
Let’s start by saying I listened again to Levi daltons podcast today with Jean gonon. Gonon said give young gonon a 12 hours decant. At hour 4 in the decanter this is silly good. The acidity seemed to double on this fat sweet olive juice. The only other controversial thing I will say is this; I remember drinking pax’s 2016 Sonoma hillsides that got 100 from gallloni and really liked it. Anyway, this gonon at hour 5 spanks the Sonoma hillsides x10. No matter how you look at it. In summary, the first 3 hours really good, at 5 hours this is a truly great wine.

David
Great note. I am always afraid to decant any wine this long.
what's the fear? I usually give young n. Rhones a lot of air - especially the big boys. They definitely show much better with 8+ hours to me.
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#5 Post by Sean S y d n e y » October 11th, 2020, 3:40 pm

I'd say the styles between Pax & Gonon are so different as to defy comparison, but I appreciate it nonetheless!
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#6 Post by davidlown » October 11th, 2020, 3:53 pm

I agree 100%. Normally I wouldn’t decant longer than an hour or two but driving this weekend the Jean gonon Levi dalton podcast is legendary and it really influenced me as 12 hour recommended decant by a legend is something.

But at the first three hours I’m questioning is it really worth the $100 as I drink it. Very Olivey and not much acid. The last hour even though it is one the bigger side for gonon it got redder, more acid, full blooded, and just a lovely drink. Glad you two appreciated.

Btw, one other thing I learned is gonon mixes multiple terrors just like Jamet. I see why.

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#7 Post by davidlown » October 11th, 2020, 3:57 pm

Well Sean I know anything I write may change the discussion but the reason I brought this up is pax hillsides is using trollats label. I’m not against that all as the 2916 hillsides was great (my one bottle of 2017 was actually close to a thanksgiving nightmare). Regardless, the gonon after 5 hours spanked it like no ones business.

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#8 Post by Richardp » October 11th, 2020, 4:54 pm

I cracked a mag of 2011 st. Joe a few weeks back and drank over 3 days. Pandemic makes us do strange things! It shined on day 2. Just a delightful wine, can't be certain if btl format or age had any affect on the wine as my previous experience has always been the 'entry' level bottling. I have a couple more mags to experiment with, so we'll see.
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#9 Post by John Morris » October 11th, 2020, 7:16 pm

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October 11th, 2020, 4:54 pm
I cracked a mag of 2011 st. Joe a few weeks back and drank over 3 days. Pandemic makes us do strange things! It shined on day 2. Just a delightful wine, can't be certain if btl format or age had any affect on the wine as my previous experience has always been the 'entry' level bottling. I have a couple more mags to experiment with, so we'll see.
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#10 Post by J. Galang » October 11th, 2020, 7:35 pm

John Morris wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:16 pm
Richardp wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 4:54 pm
I cracked a mag of 2011 st. Joe a few weeks back and drank over 3 days. Pandemic makes us do strange things! It shined on day 2. Just a delightful wine, can't be certain if btl format or age had any affect on the wine as my previous experience has always been the 'entry' level bottling. I have a couple more mags to experiment with, so we'll see.
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He was probably referring to the Les Iles Feray bottle being the "entry level" bottling.
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#11 Post by Dillon S » October 12th, 2020, 7:32 am

Thanks for the note. I've been meaning to try Gonon's wine for a while now. I'll definitely listen to the podcast IDTT podcast as well.
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#12 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 12th, 2020, 8:07 am

J. Galang wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:35 pm
John Morris wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:16 pm
Richardp wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 4:54 pm
I cracked a mag of 2011 st. Joe a few weeks back and drank over 3 days. Pandemic makes us do strange things! It shined on day 2. Just a delightful wine, can't be certain if btl format or age had any affect on the wine as my previous experience has always been the 'entry' level bottling. I have a couple more mags to experiment with, so we'll see.
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He was probably referring to the Les Iles Feray bottle being the "entry level" bottling.
Yes. And the entry point is now > $50. Has been really solid for many years but has now gotten pricey with all the rage for Gonon.
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#13 Post by Richardp » October 12th, 2020, 1:49 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 8:07 am
J. Galang wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:35 pm
John Morris wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:16 pm


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He was probably referring to the Les Iles Feray bottle being the "entry level" bottling.
Yes. And the entry point is now > $50. Has been really solid for many years but has now gotten pricey with all the rage for Gonon.
Yes, those were the days. But if i remember, even back then i was only able to get a bottle or two per vintage.
I really like the patrick jasmin la chevaliere as a substitute these days for my budget.
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#14 Post by Gabriel Madrid » October 12th, 2020, 2:48 pm

Very interesting, I'll have to listen to the podcast. I've never had any Gonon wines but managed to get two 2017 SJs this year, one of which I'd like to drink soon, the other will go to the cellar. Has anyone had a '17 recently and would you suggest the same 12-hour decant?

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#15 Post by davidlown » October 12th, 2020, 2:59 pm

A couple of updates.

1) I never made it to 12 hour decant but I can tell you at hour 4 and 5 it was amazing the improvement

2) I learned also from the podcast that the second wines Iles feray is grapes mostly from the flat ground that is not true saint joseph and not the higher end hillside wine gonon speaks about

3) what really hit me in the podcast is gonon (just like jamet in cote rotie) are not single vineyard terroir specific wines. Gonon explains how the three different vineyard sources (the old trollat vineyard vines being one) he uses in combination with selection massage of different Syrah types is what gives his wine the its uniqueness.

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#16 Post by Carlos Delpin » October 13th, 2020, 2:58 am

Chave is also not single vineyard.
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#17 Post by Adam Noble » October 13th, 2020, 6:30 am

Glad to hear it is a good one. For the last 3 years I’ve told myself it’s time to give us on this fine producer because of price but in a weak moment I nab a couple. From 2009 to 2014 it was a 6 plus mag or case buy.

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#18 Post by Craig G » October 13th, 2020, 9:35 am

Carlos Delpin wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 2:58 am
Chave is also not single vineyard.
Chave has been bottling a single vineyard St. Joseph Clos Florentin since 2015. I haven’t tasted it yet but it will be interesting to compare to the blend.
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#19 Post by R. Frankel » October 13th, 2020, 10:04 am

Craig G wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 9:35 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 2:58 am
Chave is also not single vineyard.
Chave has been bottling a single vineyard St. Joseph Clos Florentin since 2015. I haven’t tasted it yet but it will be interesting to compare to the blend.
At $125 (only one offer today in Wine Searcher, perhaps it will be lower when more widely released?) how interested are you in the 2017 Clos Florentin?
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#20 Post by Craig G » October 13th, 2020, 10:10 am

R. Frankel wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 10:04 am
Craig G wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 9:35 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 2:58 am
Chave is also not single vineyard.
Chave has been bottling a single vineyard St. Joseph Clos Florentin since 2015. I haven’t tasted it yet but it will be interesting to compare to the blend.
At $125 (only one offer today in Wine Searcher, perhaps it will be lower when more widely released?) how interested are you in the 2017 Clos Florentin?
I don’t expect it to go lower now, but that’s not what I paid.
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#21 Post by PCLIN » October 13th, 2020, 10:13 am

R. Frankel wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 10:04 am
Craig G wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 9:35 am
Carlos Delpin wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 2:58 am
Chave is also not single vineyard.
Chave has been bottling a single vineyard St. Joseph Clos Florentin since 2015. I haven’t tasted it yet but it will be interesting to compare to the blend.
At $125 (only one offer today in Wine Searcher, perhaps it will be lower when more widely released?) how interested are you in the 2017 Clos Florentin?

According to JLL website, Chave makes only 2000 to 3000 bottles of Clos Florentine, not may to go around.
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#22 Post by R. Frankel » October 13th, 2020, 10:19 am

Craig G wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 10:10 am
R. Frankel wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 10:04 am
Craig G wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 9:35 am

Chave has been bottling a single vineyard St. Joseph Clos Florentin since 2015. I haven’t tasted it yet but it will be interesting to compare to the blend.
At $125 (only one offer today in Wine Searcher, perhaps it will be lower when more widely released?) how interested are you in the 2017 Clos Florentin?
I don’t expect it to go lower now, but that’s not what I paid.
I look forward to tasting yours [cheers.gif] .
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#23 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 13th, 2020, 11:03 am

Richardp wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 1:49 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 8:07 am
J. Galang wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:35 pm


He was probably referring to the Les Iles Feray bottle being the "entry level" bottling.
Yes. And the entry point is now > $50. Has been really solid for many years but has now gotten pricey with all the rage for Gonon.
Yes, those were the days. But if i remember, even back then i was only able to get a bottle or two per vintage.
I really like the patrick jasmin la chevaliere as a substitute these days for my budget.
I love the Iles de Feray and used to buy a case+ every vintage. Sadly have none since '16 though. That's down to availability rather than pricing, but I also wouldn't pay what is currently asked. For me, the Jasmin is okay, but nowhere near the quality of the Gonon. I'd much (much, much) rather have Faury or a few others as substitutes, but none are really the same. The IdF, whether from a substandard region or not, has always been so incredibly vibrant. That Gonon is able to wring such quality out of vines on the flat, while so many others make such middling St. Josephs from better terroir says a lot about Gonon, and hopefully suggests that there could yet be qualitative improvements in the region.

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