Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

Tasting notes, varietals, grapes - anything related to wine
Post Reply
Message
Author
Ed Bernasky
Posts: 1810
Joined: June 17th, 2009, 9:51 am

Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#1 Post by Ed Bernasky » May 3rd, 2010, 7:17 am

Young, overextracted red wines like many 05 Bdx give me incredibly painful sinus headaches. Which wines and the circumstances do not seem predictable other than it is the young, massive wines that are the triggers. I've only suffered this afflication since trying recent vintages of young Bdx. Antihistamines do not seem to help.

Has anyone tried a product called the "Wine Enhancer"?? Any success with it?

Alternatively, anyone tips other than avoid young wines would be appreciated. (I hope this belongs in wine talk, I could not find any other posts on the subject)

http://www.wineenhancer.net/about-wine-headaches.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.wineenhancer.net/Wine-Enhanc ... -Movie.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ed Bernasky
Posts: 1810
Joined: June 17th, 2009, 9:51 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#2 Post by Ed Bernasky » May 3rd, 2010, 7:54 am

http://blog.wineeducation.com/2006/08/t ... ancer.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks like the product does not produce a significant difference in the tasting experience.

User avatar
David K o l i n
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 16060
Joined: June 2nd, 2009, 5:29 pm
Location: ChiIl

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#3 Post by David K o l i n » May 3rd, 2010, 8:18 am

Bob knows that the enhancer works

Image

User avatar
BobH
Posts: 4445
Joined: January 29th, 2009, 8:42 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#4 Post by BobH » May 3rd, 2010, 8:32 am

Ed:
I have suffered with wine induced migraines for many years. In fact, I am recovering from one right now (last night's wine triggered it for whatever reason) so I apologize for being slow- being migrainoid makes me pretty slowed down.
First thing I would say is get to a neurologist. I would be willing ot bet that you are not experiencing sinus headaches, but migraines. The symtpoms can be confused, but you need a doctor to tell the difference.
There are a number of triggers for HA, and a number of mitigators as well. My neurologist told me that I cannot have too many triggers at one time. In other words, it really is about life style modifcation. There are supplements and other meds that can help. My doc also said that young reds and old whites seem to trigger migraines. I have also found it is a problem with certain wines. I love Zinfandel and pizza, but ZIn can trigger a migraine with just the first sip. I remember many times taking a sip of Turley, and literally getting a migraine before the first sip of wine hit my stomache. So, I don't drink Zins at all any more.

I seriously doubt this device would work. It makes no sense to me. If I were you, I find a HA specialist. I didn't drink wine for a couple of years because of this problem (a search for my TN's shows that I posted virtually none over a period of a couple of years, and that was why). So, I know what a problem this is. Sorry if this is a bit rambling, but as I said, I am not at my best this morning.
hud@k

User avatar
Brian Carew
Posts: 105
Joined: May 28th, 2009, 2:55 pm
Location: West Marin, CA

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#5 Post by Brian Carew » May 3rd, 2010, 8:39 am

Acupuncture made a word of difference for me.

edit.. that would be world....
Last edited by Brian Carew on May 3rd, 2010, 11:07 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
M. Smith
Posts: 675
Joined: April 18th, 2009, 10:48 am
Location: Maryland

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#6 Post by M. Smith » May 3rd, 2010, 8:40 am

Last time I researched this and posted on the site that is no more, phenethylamine was strongly implicated.

Simply google phenethylamine migraines and perhaps wine as well.

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Such amines are thought to cross the blood-brain barrier with ease...

Yiamos !
Mitch

To blend Nebbiolo is like putting Pavarotti in the chorus. Matt Kramer

Naïvely, one might suppose that demand for a particular wine was determined by its quality. In fact it's a wine's desirability and not its quality per se that is important. Jancis Robinson

Ed Bernasky
Posts: 1810
Joined: June 17th, 2009, 9:51 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#7 Post by Ed Bernasky » May 3rd, 2010, 8:45 am

Thanks Bob. I stopped all wine recently for 2 months and the unexplained headaches went away.

I don't recall ever getting one drinking mature wine or white wine. Last night, I had 2 glasses of a dense, young Bdx and I am sure you understand the pain.

Maybe I will try a tritan if (when) it happens again or see a specialist.

Thanks, Ed

User avatar
BobH
Posts: 4445
Joined: January 29th, 2009, 8:42 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#8 Post by BobH » May 3rd, 2010, 10:09 am

Brian Carew wrote:Acupuncture made a word of difference for me.
I am working on slow today as I said above, so I forgot to mention this. IT helped me a lot, too.
hud@k

User avatar
Roberto Rogness
Posts: 18974
Joined: February 10th, 2009, 10:16 am
Location: Santa Monica, Rio de Janeiro

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#9 Post by Roberto Rogness » May 3rd, 2010, 10:51 am

Our 2 cents (with medical consultations from customers):

http://www.wineexpo.com/index.php?optio ... Itemid=264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ITB Retail
É prohibido prohibir!

User avatar
Reese Ferry
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 74
Joined: May 31st, 2009, 6:43 pm
Location: Vermont

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#10 Post by Reese Ferry » May 3rd, 2010, 1:50 pm

Check this out: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=96562458" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disclaimer: I haven't read the book but I heard the article on Fresh Air and it sounded pretty interesting.

I think you may receive a lot of conventional wisdom on wine and migraines but the bottom line
is that it's a complex and very individual problem. I was afflicted for most of my life but after
identifying many of my triggers I am now happy to report that I am now headache free. My primary trigger: salt.

Yeah, it kinda sucks that I have to limit my salt intake but it's nice to enjoy wine again without having to deal with
the migraines.

Good luck,
Reese.

User avatar
BobH
Posts: 4445
Joined: January 29th, 2009, 8:42 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#11 Post by BobH » May 3rd, 2010, 2:26 pm

Dr Bernstein is a very bright person, and a good physican from what I am able to tell from seeing her lecture. Thanks for the link, and I will look forward to listening to it.
hud@k

Wes Barton
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 3625
Joined: January 29th, 2009, 3:54 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#12 Post by Wes Barton » May 3rd, 2010, 3:06 pm

Great post, Bob.

I sometimes get migraines from wine, too. What I can add that might be helpful is pay attention to the trigger. Like Bob mentioned - with the first sip, I can feel the trigger pretty much instantly. If you can recognize that, you can spit out the wine and dump the glass. You'll still probably have a bit of fuzziness for a bit, but have prevented a massive headache.

There was an article about a decade ago (and haven't been able to find reference to more recently) about a study that broke down the various chemical sources of red wine headache. I remember histamine accounting for 35%, other amines another 35%. (Sulfite was down near the bottom of the 10 or so causes with 4%.)

An additional source of histamine that some winemakers suspect is insects such as wasps and bees.

I, too, have never experienced this with aged wines. That's an interesting observation.
ITB - Useless lackey

"I've acquired enough wine to seduce an elephant." - Jennifer Robin

Ed Bernasky
Posts: 1810
Joined: June 17th, 2009, 9:51 am

Re: Red wine headache solution or snakeoil

#13 Post by Ed Bernasky » May 3rd, 2010, 3:45 pm

Roberto

Interesting link.

I did have these two glasses on an empty stomach while watching some golf.

PM sent. Thanks, Ed

Post Reply

Return to “Wine Talk”