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#1 Post by L e o F r o k i c » June 20th, 2012, 6:13 am

So far no great news from Burgundy. Hail and heavy rains during flowering and also reports on mildew.

http://www.scottpaul.com/scott/the-sky-is-falling
Everything looked in pretty good shape. Until the most violent storm I have ever witnessed arrived at about 4pm – with 75 mile-per-hour winds and the hardest rain imaginable. Traffic stopped dead everywhere, even on the Autoroute – it was truly fear-inducing. The vineyards are in the middle of the delicate flowering period here, and the winds and heavy rain surely have removed a portion of the potential crop. Heavy hail fell in parts of Meursault and Pommard I keep hearing – maybe elsewhere as well – by tomorrow we should know the extent of the damage. At the very least it will be another low-yield year, following ’10 & ’11 which both produced hardly any wine. Merde!
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#2 Post by JKim » June 20th, 2012, 7:35 am

Yikes. That sounds bad.
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#3 Post by c fu » June 20th, 2012, 9:09 am

It's ok. Something magical will happen and it'll be like a cross of 05 and 99 in barrel.

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#4 Post by billnanson » June 20th, 2012, 12:36 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:It's ok. Something magical will happen and it'll be like a cross of 05 and 99 in barrel.

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#5 Post by Nick Gangas » June 20th, 2012, 5:03 pm

But I've heard rumors the old timers compare it to 29 with a touch of 47. Just the good parts.

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#6 Post by L e o F r o k i c » June 25th, 2012, 10:54 am

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#7 Post by Robert Panzer » June 25th, 2012, 11:11 am

Indeed folks were quite concerned with the warm March, followed by cool rainy two months, then a week of sunshine when I was there, and then this big storm right after I left. Mildew pressure is WAY high in all of the parts of France that I visited (Champagne, Alsace, Burgundy, N Rhone, Savoie, Loire), but most people I visited were handling it quite well. The vineyards looked to be in good shape among the conscientious and hard working. The biggest concern in Burgundy was the uneven ripening phases, one starting in March, and then again resumed in June. Then this mega storm happened....
Nonetheless, there is definitely a doom atmosphere in Champagne, where Thomas Calder told me one of his growers actually used the word cataclysmic. Mathieu Baudry of Chinon has been complaining so much about the "outrageous fortune" (shakespeare) that has been this year's weather that his 9 year old son has coined the phrase, "la douze, c'est la louze!" (twelve, is a loser!)

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#8 Post by Howard Cooper » June 25th, 2012, 1:45 pm

L e o F r o k i c wrote:So far no great news from Burgundy. Hail and heavy rains during flowering and also reports on mildew.

http://www.scottpaul.com/scott/the-sky-is-falling
Everything looked in pretty good shape. Until the most violent storm I have ever witnessed arrived at about 4pm – with 75 mile-per-hour winds and the hardest rain imaginable. Traffic stopped dead everywhere, even on the Autoroute – it was truly fear-inducing. The vineyards are in the middle of the delicate flowering period here, and the winds and heavy rain surely have removed a portion of the potential crop. Heavy hail fell in parts of Meursault and Pommard I keep hearing – maybe elsewhere as well – by tomorrow we should know the extent of the damage. At the very least it will be another low-yield year, following ’10 & ’11 which both produced hardly any wine. Merde!
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#9 Post by Lewis Dawson » June 25th, 2012, 2:56 pm

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#10 Post by Nick Ryan » June 25th, 2012, 3:05 pm

Coccinelle. I reported the abundance of these pretty creatures at the last harvest, and, in private, was roundly criticised by some wine-makers for ‘unprofessional scare-mongering’ – that was my interpretation anyway! For the last months I’ve been tasting the wines, hyper sensitively looking for pyrazines and largely aiming to convince myself that there was nothing there. I have to say at some excellent addresses this week I have encountered, with 100% certainty, wines that are dead-ringers for the tainted 2004s. It hurts me to say it, but now it is clear to me that all the 2011 reds I buy, will only be the result of tasting post bottling…
Blech. So much for 2011. I won't even trust post-bottling tastings because the 2004 blight only ramped up to unbearable levels a couple years after bottling. We can hope 2012 ties its own shoelaces like 2010 managed to do but who wants to bet on that? Looks like a green signal to load up more on 2009 and 2010...
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#11 Post by Howard Cooper » June 25th, 2012, 3:47 pm

Lewis Dawson wrote:
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#12 Post by Nick Ryan » June 30th, 2012, 1:39 pm

Checked the weather report in Burgundy out of curiosity, nothing but torrential rain forecast next 10 days. Ouch.
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#13 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » June 30th, 2012, 1:47 pm

Meursault 8pm tonight:

There were several hailstorms in the area tonight, usually short (2-3 minutes) but intense.
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#14 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » June 30th, 2012, 1:52 pm

A couple of tweets:
@cparentgros: After a 1st tour in the vineyards of Pommard & Beaune after the 2 hailstorms: damages =50% (so far...) Vintage 2012 will be rare!
@JeremySeysses: A few minutes of hail at the beginning of a storm in NSG. this eve. It's going to be all right. Here is a good omen.
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#16 Post by Andrew Nielsen » July 1st, 2012, 5:06 am

Yep, 2012 has been atrocious for us Burgundian winemakers. Yields are going to be miniscule. I was en route back to London when last night's storm hit but already my yields were way down with such a poor flowering and some mildew already killing off bunches in one of my vineyards. One vigneron with a gallows humor said some hail would save the vintage! [cry.gif] [help.gif]

It is still very, very early and at least the low yields and lots of tiny clusters should make for some concentrated-as Pinots!
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#17 Post by Ivan T » July 2nd, 2012, 1:41 pm

According to Jon Rimmerman losses in Volnay, Pomard and Monthelie are 80-90% based on early reports. Ouch!
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#18 Post by Robert Panzer » July 2nd, 2012, 3:17 pm

I saw several photos that Nico Rossignol posted of several Volnay 1ers, looked pretty bad.....
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#19 Post by alan weinberg » July 26th, 2012, 12:09 pm

any updates?
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#20 Post by Berry Crawford » July 26th, 2012, 12:25 pm

Ivan T wrote:According to Jon Rimmerman losses in Volnay, Pomard and Monthelie are 80-90% based on early reports. Ouch!
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#21 Post by L e o F r o k i c » July 26th, 2012, 12:40 pm

alan weinberg wrote:any updates?
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Cote de Beaune is not doing that well. I was there last week and walking thru the vineyards was kind of depresing. For instance, in Clos des Ducs there was barely any grapes left and many wines were without a single clusters. Pommard didn't do much better eaither. There was a lot of spraying but at least there was no rain when I was there. Further north you went things looked much better with Gevrey and Morey looking the best, where, if weather cooperates they can still get a great vintage. What everyone needs is sun and no more rain.
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#22 Post by D@vid R0sewater » July 26th, 2012, 5:29 pm

I concur - that is what we saw - lots of damage in the Cote de Beaune, we were told by wine makers that the losses in Volnay were 70%+. Walking the hill of Corton revealed much hail damage as well, though not as bad. Just as a minor point, the vineyard we saw with very few grapes (we only saw the edge of the vineyard, didn't really walk the rows so take it FWIW) was Clos de Chateau de Ducs, not Clos de Ducs. Doesn't take away from the overall point, of course.

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#23 Post by L e o F r o k i c » August 10th, 2012, 7:12 am

Any updates?
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#24 Post by Ivan T » August 10th, 2012, 9:24 am

From Clive Coates:

The weather in July has shown a significant improvement on May and June: warmer, sunnier and drier. It remained essential to continue to spray against both mildew and oidium, but conditions as we neared the end of the month were beginning to suggest a bit of hope for this foloen vintage.

But then hail strick again. On August 1st, just as it had done on June 30th, there was a thunderstorm. Once again Santenay and Chassagne and Meursault, but not Puligny have been affected but the Hautes Côtes de Beaune seems to have born the brunt of the damage. To this we must add Savigny-Lès-Beaune, but according to my sources there have been only minimal losses in the Côte de Nuits.
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#25 Post by Doug Lee » August 10th, 2012, 9:37 am

Thunderstorms when we were in Beaune late June. Mildew pointed out to us in the Clos de la Marechale. Audrey at F. Mugnier stated she had never seen such an early bud-break due to early spring heat but more recently it was the mildew that concerned everyone.

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#26 Post by Nick Ryan » August 10th, 2012, 11:09 am

The ten-day forecast for the region looks great, high-70s and sunny. Assuming it continues that way until harvest I wonder what we would be looking at...
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#27 Post by Nick Ryan » August 14th, 2012, 10:51 pm

Nick Ryan wrote:The ten-day forecast for the region looks great, high-70s and sunny. Assuming it continues that way until harvest I wonder what we would be looking at...
The 10-day is still looking glorious, with temps in the low 80s, no rain, no clouds. Checked Bordeaux also and there's some crazy heat wave about to hit there. Going to be interesting.
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#28 Post by Andrew Nielsen » August 15th, 2012, 12:36 am

Yep, weather looking sweet for a super long growing season which should develop some great tannin structure. Problem is yield, between poor flowering, hail damage and mildew losses, I am down about between 40% and 60% of last years crop in my parcels in Savigny, Beaune & Santenay. Tough when you are trying to grow!
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#29 Post by Scott Brunson » August 15th, 2012, 3:43 am

depressing thread to read on the first day back to school...
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#30 Post by Ray Walker » August 15th, 2012, 6:25 am

Just checking in. We had some hail damage at Volnay 1er "Robardelles" and in Meursault at "Volnay" 1er Cru "Santenots". In Morey, a tiny bit of hail damage at 1er "Chaffots", but much less than we had in 2009.

The grapes that have stood through it look great. But, there is no telling how things are until the wines are resting in barrel. Even then time will be necessary to have a clue what everyone turned up with...as usual

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#31 Post by Scott Brunson » September 3rd, 2012, 6:00 am

email from Ray Walker
Weather is actually pretty nice now. But it varies. Volnay was one of the places hit, but low yields can produce excellent wines. Our 11 Volnay was hit with hail and I Really like that wine. So, as long as there are healthy grapes aroud, you just sort and it really isn't that different from a vintage without hail. It isn't waterlogged either, at least in the 1er Crus where you have slopes generally. The vintage could be quite good. 11 as an example was a breeze. People panicked but the grapes were beautiful, just like in 2010. 2009 wasn't a picnic either. Rains are why many people waited too long to pick by the way
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#32 Post by Andrew Nielsen » September 3rd, 2012, 6:42 am

Ripening has been very uneven both across plots and within plots. 15 day forecast looks great. Highs in the mid-twenties Celcius and most important of all the wind is coming from the North, which for me is the best marker for a good leadup to harvest. With weather like that the laggard bunches should catch up and we could still make some very nice wines. Things in our favour are the extremely long growing season (not sure but I think it could be a record), tiny yield and lots of millerandage, all good markers.

As always, September makes the harvest, fingers crossed the forecast stays true. With careful and thoughtful picking and meticulous triage on the sorting table, I am sure good wines will be made, no doubt.
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#33 Post by Scott Brunson » September 3rd, 2012, 6:59 am

Thanks Andrew
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#34 Post by Andrew Nielsen » September 3rd, 2012, 7:44 am

Thanks Scott. Much appreciated!
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#35 Post by c fu » September 3rd, 2012, 12:25 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:email from Ray Walker
Weather is actually pretty nice now. But it varies. Volnay was one of the places hit, but low yields can produce excellent wines. Our 11 Volnay was hit with hail and I Really like that wine. So, as long as there are healthy grapes aroud, you just sort and it really isn't that different from a vintage without hail. It isn't waterlogged either, at least in the 1er Crus where you have slopes generally. The vintage could be quite good. 11 as an example was a breeze. People panicked but the grapes were beautiful, just like in 2010. 2009 wasn't a picnic either. Rains are why many people waited too long to pick by the way
so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
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#36 Post by Berry Crawford » September 3rd, 2012, 12:40 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2011
100% certainty

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Berry Crawford wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2011
100% certainty
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#38 Post by Scott Brunson » September 3rd, 2012, 1:19 pm

Berry Crawford wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2011
100% certainty
THAT'S a relief
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#39 Post by Berry Crawford » September 3rd, 2012, 1:37 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:
Scott Brunson wrote:email from Ray Walker
Weather is actually pretty nice now. But it varies. Volnay was one of the places hit, but low yields can produce excellent wines. Our 11 Volnay was hit with hail and I Really like that wine. So, as long as there are healthy grapes aroud, you just sort and it really isn't that different from a vintage without hail. It isn't waterlogged either, at least in the 1er Crus where you have slopes generally. The vintage could be quite good. 11 as an example was a breeze. People panicked but the grapes were beautiful, just like in 2010. 2009 wasn't a picnic either. Rains are why many people waited too long to pick by the way
so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
I'm sure there will be the odd vintage here and there where the grapes just arent ripened enough, but baring those rare off years hopefully we can advanced the analysis of burgundy vintages away from which ones are "good" and "bad" and towards analysis of vintage character and individual preferences. This will be difficult as long as we continue to assume the points assigned barrel samples have any real objective meaning.

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#40 Post by c fu » September 3rd, 2012, 1:41 pm

Berry Crawford wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:
Scott Brunson wrote:email from Ray Walker
Weather is actually pretty nice now. But it varies. Volnay was one of the places hit, but low yields can produce excellent wines. Our 11 Volnay was hit with hail and I Really like that wine. So, as long as there are healthy grapes aroud, you just sort and it really isn't that different from a vintage without hail. It isn't waterlogged either, at least in the 1er Crus where you have slopes generally. The vintage could be quite good. 11 as an example was a breeze. People panicked but the grapes were beautiful, just like in 2010. 2009 wasn't a picnic either. Rains are why many people waited too long to pick by the way
so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
I'm sure there will be the odd vintage here and there where the grapes just arent ripened enough, but baring those rare off years hopefully we can advanced the analysis of burgundy vintages away from which ones are "good" and "bad" and towards analysis of vintage character and individual preferences. This will be difficult as long as we continue to assume the points assigned barrel samples have any real objective meaning.
I'm looking more of it price wise. I can't afford all the vintages of the century! [snort.gif]
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#41 Post by Andrew Nielsen » September 3rd, 2012, 1:45 pm

With the current generation having all been to viticulture or wine school and a trend towards a warmer average growing season, I think we are past the era of "good" or "bad" vintages as Berry says. I have heard some horror stories of the streets of Beaune being covered in the blue dust of Botrytis spores because bunches were thrown into vats unsorted in the bad old days. No wonder there were "bad" vintages. Remember the sorting table was only recently embraced in Burgundy.

The good thing from a Burgundy lover (rather than producer) is one doesn't need to chase vintages any more, another one is coming next year if the vintage character is not for your palate.
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#42 Post by Berry Crawford » September 3rd, 2012, 1:53 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:I'm looking more of it price wise. I can't afford all the vintages of the century! [snort.gif]
Yeah, I agree. A few producers that used to be on my "must buy" list have risen above my comfort level and it seems like they are going to stay there

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#43 Post by c fu » September 3rd, 2012, 2:10 pm

Berry Crawford wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:I'm looking more of it price wise. I can't afford all the vintages of the century! [snort.gif]
Yeah, I agree. A few producers that used to be on my "must buy" list have risen above my comfort level and it seems like they are going to stay there
I just liked when vintage pricing would go up and down. I enjoy that the pricing for 06-08 is affordable, but I wonder if 2011/2012 will drop below 2010 pricing? or will the argument that "there are low yields" keep price high.
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#44 Post by Andrew Nielsen » September 3rd, 2012, 2:26 pm

Prices will keep going up I am afraid. The Côte d'Or is such a small area compared to other great wine making regions. Within a mile you go from Romanée-Conti to wheat fields, there is only so much supply. With more people getting into Burgundy, especially since it is more "reliable" than in the past, there is only one direction prices can go.

As I am sure Ray will attest, the prices for fruit is going up on our side (2011 was up on 2010 which was up on 2009) and I am not looking forward to the rates that will be agreed to in the BIVB negotiations with the cost of sprays this year and the tiny yield.
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#45 Post by Nick Ryan » September 3rd, 2012, 2:37 pm

Charlie Fu wrote: so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
As always with Burgundy, unless it's universally hailed as a superb vintage, it's try-before-you-buy...
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Re: 2012 Burgundy

#46 Post by c fu » September 3rd, 2012, 2:52 pm

Nick Ryan wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote: so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
As always with Burgundy, unless it's universally hailed as a superb vintage, it's try-before-you-buy...
but by the time I try, all the buys are sold out and I have to pay more! gah.
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Re: 2012 Burgundy

#47 Post by Berry Crawford » September 3rd, 2012, 3:30 pm

Nick Ryan wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote: so 2011 is gonna be as good as 2010 and 2012 will be good too? Will burgundy ever have a bad year again since 2005!? o_O
As always with Burgundy, unless it's universally hailed as a superb vintage, it's try-before-you-buy...
I couldn't disagree more. Unless it is a disaster vintage with some serious flaw, chances are my favorite producers are going to make great wine in any given vintage.

Im more apt to want to try before by the "vintage of the century" wines because they might be too ripe for my tastes.
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Re: 2012 Burgundy

#48 Post by Fred C » September 3rd, 2012, 4:02 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:
I'm looking more of it price wise. I can't afford all the vintages of the century! [snort.gif]
Sounds like they've picked up some Bordeaux tricks.
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Re: 2012 Burgundy

#49 Post by Nick Gangas » September 3rd, 2012, 6:40 pm

Andrew Nielsen wrote:Prices will keep going up I am afraid. The Côte d'Or is such a small area compared to other great wine making regions. Within a mile you go from Romanée-Conti to wheat fields, there is only so much supply. With more people getting into Burgundy, especially since it is more "reliable" than in the past, there is only one direction prices can go.

As I am sure Ray will attest, the prices for fruit is going up on our side (2011 was up on 2010 which was up on 2009) and I am not looking forward to the rates that will be agreed to in the BIVB negotiations with the cost of sprays this year and the tiny yield.
Andrew, Your rhetoric sounds eerily similar to the what was coming from the Bordelais a few years ago. From long established customers this isn't really very reassuring. I hope your new customers will be loyal to Burgundy. especially ones not labeled DRC, Rousseau or Roumier.

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Re: 2012 Burgundy

#50 Post by Ian Fitzsimmons » September 3rd, 2012, 8:39 pm

How reliable is the 15-day forecast?

Best of luck.

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