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#3451 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 26th, 2019, 6:44 pm

That 1920 goes for $62/btl pre-tax in WA.

I just picked up a couple of bottles from a local store for $104 out the door... which sadly feels like a steal.
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#3452 Post by Edward H. Earles » November 26th, 2019, 6:47 pm

That is a good deal.

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#3453 Post by ERPark » November 26th, 2019, 7:24 pm

For WA, that’s a great deal all-in with the extra vig they collect on liquor.
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#3454 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » November 26th, 2019, 7:44 pm

those are 750?

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#3455 Post by Andrew Kotowski » November 26th, 2019, 8:53 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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those are 750?
Yes. Just nuts, considering I’ve picked up the special release for $19.99 here. I brought in a shot (in a vial) of Willet 4 for my wine/beer guy as a thank you.
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#3456 Post by Kris Patten » November 27th, 2019, 8:59 pm

Nice Andrew.

For reference I think we sell them for about $25 wholesale, if I'm reading it right $104 for both would be great.
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#3457 Post by Ryan Kilkenney » December 1st, 2019, 4:13 pm

Purchased at a local store, but definitely NOT for retail prices. A splurge for the holidays.
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#3458 Post by Robert M yers » December 1st, 2019, 7:25 pm

If anybody is getting hit with mark ups for Weller special Reserve and Antique I’d be willing help get some to you at cost. They arrive here fairly regularly now, regular bottles and 1.5’s. I think they are just under 25-30 pre tax. Might prefer the opportunity to trade for beer/whisky that not available here...

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#3459 Post by Ben Herd » December 3rd, 2019, 2:57 pm

Anyone know if BTAC and Pappy will be dropping soon in WA state? Also why are we the last state to get anything?

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#3460 Post by Mike Maguire » December 7th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Ben Herd wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 2:57 pm
Anyone know if BTAC and Pappy will be dropping soon in WA state? Also why are we the last state to get anything?
Because this state is a joke when it comes to hard to get spirits, and when they do get them they jack the price anyway.F...k Wash. liquor industry!
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#3461 Post by Kris Patten » December 8th, 2019, 8:07 am

Mike Maguire wrote:
December 7th, 2019, 2:13 pm
Ben Herd wrote:
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Anyone know if BTAC and Pappy will be dropping soon in WA state? Also why are we the last state to get anything?
Because this state is a joke when it comes to hard to get spirits, and when they do get them they jack the price anyway.F...k Wash. liquor industry!
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Ever follow overpricedbourbon on Instagram? WA liquor stores are on it regularly for head shaking prices, Costco is on for good prices, albeit the taxes after the fact are brutal regardless of their fair starting margin.

The more whisky thay goes to Kroger/Safeway/Costco the fairer the prices are marked up and close to MSRP....caveat the taxes don't let them get close after the till. Safeway and Kroger eat the 17% which helps consumers and Costco works at 10-13% so they are doing what they can, but you can't get around liter or spirits sales tax at register.
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#3462 Post by Andrew Kotowski » December 8th, 2019, 9:24 am

Picked up some Willett Pot Still at $53.99 yesterday at QFC (Sammamish). Kills me to see it discounted down to $40 in CA... but at least I’m seeing it now?
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#3463 Post by alan weinberg » December 9th, 2019, 8:21 pm

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
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Picked up some Willett Pot Still at $53.99 yesterday at QFC (Sammamish). Kills me to see it discounted down to $40 in CA... but at least I’m seeing it now?
I bought 2 b here in CA Saturday but I won’t tell you what I paid. They were out of the $83 1.75 liter size. It’s my go to.

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#3464 Post by Alan Rath » December 10th, 2019, 1:44 pm

Have seen High West Midwinter recently at Whole Foods. K&L has blown through two batches in the past few weeks, put it on your email alerts if interested.
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#3465 Post by GregP » December 11th, 2019, 12:24 am

Bought a few bottles of Bulleit Barrel Strength @ $20 per earlier this year at Costco (Summerlin, Las Vegas). Angel's Envy @ $38.
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#3466 Post by Scott G r u n e r » December 11th, 2019, 9:27 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
December 9th, 2019, 8:21 pm
Andrew Kotowski wrote:
December 8th, 2019, 9:24 am
Picked up some Willett Pot Still at $53.99 yesterday at QFC (Sammamish). Kills me to see it discounted down to $40 in CA... but at least I’m seeing it now?
I bought 2 b here in CA Saturday but I won’t tell you what I paid. They were out of the $83 1.75 liter size. It’s my go to.
Saw some of those at the local costco. Can’t recall price. That bottle annoys me though. It’s like the la gardine bottle of whiskey
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#3467 Post by Mike Maguire » December 12th, 2019, 3:43 pm

Scott G r u n e r wrote:
December 11th, 2019, 9:27 pm
alan weinberg wrote:
December 9th, 2019, 8:21 pm
Andrew Kotowski wrote:
December 8th, 2019, 9:24 am
Picked up some Willett Pot Still at $53.99 yesterday at QFC (Sammamish). Kills me to see it discounted down to $40 in CA... but at least I’m seeing it now?
I bought 2 b here in CA Saturday but I won’t tell you what I paid. They were out of the $83 1.75 liter size. It’s my go to.
Saw some of those at the local costco. Can’t recall price. That bottle annoys me though. It’s like the la gardine bottle of whiskey
I saw those too Scott, $65 out the door.Last year in Cali. $85 for the 1.75. [wow.gif]

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#3468 Post by BLittle » December 13th, 2019, 12:21 pm

Total Wine has Hancock President's Reserve in stock for $50. Had last year and a very smooth sipper so picked up a pair
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#3469 Post by Josh Grossman » December 13th, 2019, 12:30 pm

Just picked up an Old Pogue and Wilderness Trail Barrel-proof Rye

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#3470 Post by Mike Maguire » December 13th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Ok, I have to fess up , I did pick up a Four Roses Limited Edition at the Gig Harbor Costco.$157+ $35 in taxes=$192 out the door, I am weak [help.gif]

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#3471 Post by Leonard Taylor » December 13th, 2019, 1:26 pm

Going to a lottery tomorrow afternoon which I am sure will be packed. Which of these would be on your top 5 if you got the chance to only buy one bottle?

George T. Stagg
Weller Antique 107
Van Winkle Special Reserve 12 Yr
W.L. Weller 12 Yr
Elijah Craig 18 Yr
Thomas H. Handy
Michter's Toasted Sour Mash
E.H. Taylor Single Barrel
E.H. Taylor Small Batch
Wild Turkey Master's Keeper Cornerstone
Kentucky Own Straight Rye Batch 3
Blanton's Single Barrel
Buffalo Trace
1792 12 Yr
1792 Single Barrel
1792 BIB KSBW
McKenna Single Barrel
Smooth Ambler Big Level Wheated
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#3472 Post by ERPark » December 13th, 2019, 3:50 pm

^^^ depends on if those are at MSRP or close, or jacked up to secondary market pricing or close.
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#3473 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 13th, 2019, 4:38 pm

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#3474 Post by Leonard Taylor » December 13th, 2019, 7:12 pm

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^^^ depends on if those are at MSRP or close, or jacked up to secondary market pricing or close.
This is in NC where all the stores are owned and run by the state so there are no markups
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#3475 Post by Ryan Kilkenney » December 13th, 2019, 7:22 pm

The big gets are Stagg (my favorite among the bunch), Van Winkle, Thomas Handy (rye), and Elijah Craig 18. Weller 12 is very good and would good get at retail price.

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#3476 Post by ERPark » December 13th, 2019, 11:47 pm

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^^^ depends on if those are at MSRP or close, or jacked up to secondary market pricing or close.
This is in NC where all the stores are owned and run by the state so there are no markups
So the first 8 plus the Kentucky Owl rye are the ones that will likely get scooped up first. Blanton’s probably rounds out the 10th spot, or maybe the Henry McKenna 10 year SiB. Then it’s personal preference after that. EHT SmB, Buffalo Trace, 1792 SiB and Smooth Ambler BLW can be procured fairly readily in most areas of the country.

Based on the gap between MSRP and secondary market pricing, the VWSR 12 year is the prize if you’ve got the whole list to pick from. 2019 Stagg is being derided by a lot of aficionados as the worst ever, but it still gets plenty of love. THH rye, EC18 and W12 would round out my first 5 picks.

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#3477 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 14th, 2019, 4:05 am

people are deriding GTS because it has the lowest ABV of any stagg; "only" 116 proof. I really like both it and the 2018 version which some people also dislike, more than prior years. I have 2016 and 2018 in the bar currently. I agree that the lot B is likely going to be the most expensive on the secondary market by 100 or so, but I like it much less than the GTS; I doubt anyone could tell the difference between it and the W12 blind.

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#3478 Post by Andrew Kotowski » December 20th, 2019, 8:53 am

Clearly not bourbon, but some context for the discussion re: WA State above. Same thing for Willett 4 year, etc.
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#3479 Post by Jim Brennan » December 20th, 2019, 2:49 pm

Have we had a discussion of how long an opened bottle of whiskey lasts? I was always under the impression that once you open, the only real risk is slow evaporation, but recently I heard someone argue that it changes once you open it, and that it drinks best in the first 3 or 4 months.

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#3480 Post by Ryan Kilkenney » December 20th, 2019, 3:00 pm

That seems short to me. My rule of thumb is to drink within a year.

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#3481 Post by Kris Patten » December 20th, 2019, 9:42 pm

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December 20th, 2019, 8:53 am
Clearly not bourbon, but some context for the discussion re: WA State above. Same thing for Willett 4 year, etc.
You have to put in context. We sell the vast majority of our spirits cheaper/equal to what CA does, but we have the highest tax rate in America. The State collects 5% from distributor on sale price, 17% retailer, liter tax and 20.5% sales tax. While our original price is similar, once you get to the retailer, then to register you get beat up. Safeway and Kroger eat the 17%, so it could be way worse, kudos to them.
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#3482 Post by Andrew Kotowski » December 20th, 2019, 11:48 pm

Not sure I follow. WA price is $80 higher on this item; i should be happy it’s not more?
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#3483 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » December 21st, 2019, 2:23 am

Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 3:00 pm
That seems short to me. My rule of thumb is to drink within a year.
I think it depends on how much volume you take out. I have had bottles that have been open for years that have been drinking well.

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#3484 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 21st, 2019, 6:01 am

Mike Maguire wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 9:49 pm
Adam Noble wrote:
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Costco is the reason WA has the highest liquor tax in the country. Maybe world.
Costco certainly opened Pandora’s box, but the 20% added tax was supposed to expire in 2015, guess what , it didn’t. Are you old enough to remember how they sold
the lottery to the voters? Will eventually fully fund education in our state, how did that workout?

This state gets enough of my money for various taxes, but nothing for booze or lottery.Road trips to Oregon and California satisfy my needs and wants.
PA wins this “contest” with Johnstown Flood Tax in place since 1936 and the rate is 18%.
Edit we pay the 18% included in the state store price plus 6% to 8% general sales tax on the state store price. So taxes mark up the wholesale price by 28% +/-. I didn’t find any info on an additional state tax, so Washington has a higher tax on liquor, or at least lower priced liquor given the $2.85 tax per fifth of liquor.
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#3485 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 21st, 2019, 6:01 am

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Livermore Costco has 13 bottles after I left just now. $46.99 and limit of 1 per member. Hurry!

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What can anyone tell me about this bourbon? I'm relatively new to Bourbon and aside from the obvious (Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, etc that I never really liked or thought were too sweet). I've only really been exposed to Eagle Rare($35), Pappy 10($79), Pappy 15 ($99), & Pappy 20($209).
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#3486 Post by Kirk.Grant » December 21st, 2019, 6:17 am

Michael Sopher wrote:
November 16th, 2016, 9:54 am
Scooped up 4 bottles of Blantons this AM at Total Wine in Norwalk Ct $48 per.
Are these hard to find? They sit on the local grocery store shelves here for about $54
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#3487 Post by Leonard Taylor » December 21st, 2019, 6:40 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:17 am
Michael Sopher wrote:
November 16th, 2016, 9:54 am
Scooped up 4 bottles of Blantons this AM at Total Wine in Norwalk Ct $48 per.
Are these hard to find? They sit on the local grocery store shelves here for about $54
Depends on where you are. In NC they are next to impossible to find. State owned stores.
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#3488 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 21st, 2019, 7:14 am

Leonard Taylor wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:40 am
Kirk.Grant wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:17 am
Michael Sopher wrote:
November 16th, 2016, 9:54 am
Scooped up 4 bottles of Blantons this AM at Total Wine in Norwalk Ct $48 per.
Are these hard to find? They sit on the local grocery store shelves here for about $54
Depends on where you are. In NC they are next to impossible to find. State owned stores.
PA hard to get too, I’ve never scored a bottle. Ch@ng gets it all.

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#3489 Post by Ryan Kilkenney » December 21st, 2019, 7:50 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 2:23 am
Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 3:00 pm
That seems short to me. My rule of thumb is to drink within a year.
I think it depends on how much volume you take out. I have had bottles that have been open for years that have been drinking well.
I learned that lesson with a bottle of Pappy 23 a few years ago ($200? - it seemed extravagant at the time). I drank it down to the final pour with friends and then it sat in the liquor cabinet for I don’t know how long. Saving it for a special occasion, I guess. It was a shadow of its former self when I finally got around to drinking it.

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#3490 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 21st, 2019, 8:01 am

Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 7:50 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 2:23 am
Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 3:00 pm
That seems short to me. My rule of thumb is to drink within a year.
I think it depends on how much volume you take out. I have had bottles that have been open for years that have been drinking well.
I learned that lesson with a bottle of Pappy 23 a few years ago ($200? - it seemed extravagant at the time). I drank it down to the final pour with friends and then it sat in the liquor cabinet for I don’t know how long. Saving it for a special occasion, I guess. It was a shadow of its former self when I finally got around to drinking it.
A smaller bottle might have helped, but I wouldn’t experiment with a drink of that caliber

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#3491 Post by Edward H. Earles » December 21st, 2019, 8:16 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:17 am
Michael Sopher wrote:
November 16th, 2016, 9:54 am
Scooped up 4 bottles of Blantons this AM at Total Wine in Norwalk Ct $48 per.
Are these hard to find? They sit on the local grocery store shelves here for about $54
We can't find them at any price in KY. Local demand outstrips supply by about 1000/1.

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#3492 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 21st, 2019, 9:06 am

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:01 am
Mike Maguire wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 9:49 pm
Adam Noble wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 7:04 am
Costco is the reason WA has the highest liquor tax in the country. Maybe world.
Costco certainly opened Pandora’s box, but the 20% added tax was supposed to expire in 2015, guess what , it didn’t. Are you old enough to remember how they sold
the lottery to the voters? Will eventually fully fund education in our state, how did that workout?

This state gets enough of my money for various taxes, but nothing for booze or lottery.Road trips to Oregon and California satisfy my needs and wants.
PA wins this “contest” with Johnstown Flood Tax in place since 1936 and the rate is 18%.
Edit we pay the 18% included in the state store price plus 6% to 8% general sales tax on the state store price. So taxes mark up the wholesale price by 28% +/-. I didn’t find any info on an additional state tax, so Washington has a higher tax on liquor, or at least lower priced liquor given the $2.85 tax per fifth of liquor.
Another edit, didn’t see the 17% to the retailer. Crazy, not much info on these tax rates on line that is a comprehensive comparison of state tax rates.

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#3493 Post by Kris Patten » December 21st, 2019, 12:26 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 9:06 am
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:01 am
Mike Maguire wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 9:49 pm


Costco certainly opened Pandora’s box, but the 20% added tax was supposed to expire in 2015, guess what , it didn’t. Are you old enough to remember how they sold
the lottery to the voters? Will eventually fully fund education in our state, how did that workout?

This state gets enough of my money for various taxes, but nothing for booze or lottery.Road trips to Oregon and California satisfy my needs and wants.
PA wins this “contest” with Johnstown Flood Tax in place since 1936 and the rate is 18%.
Edit we pay the 18% included in the state store price plus 6% to 8% general sales tax on the state store price. So taxes mark up the wholesale price by 28% +/-. I didn’t find any info on an additional state tax, so Washington has a higher tax on liquor, or at least lower priced liquor given the $2.85 tax per fifth of liquor.
Another edit, didn’t see the 17% to the retailer. Crazy, not much info on these tax rates on line that is a comprehensive comparison of state tax rates.
PA is not even close. You pay about 40.5% at the till.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-spirits-taxes-2018/
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#3494 Post by Kris Patten » December 21st, 2019, 12:36 pm

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Not sure I follow. WA price is $80 higher on this item; i should be happy it’s not more?
I don't sell this, so I can't speak to its wholesale price...I'd assume this is a function of distributor making 35% margin vs. 20-25% before it gets marked up at TWM. The only variables between wholeslae in WA and elsewhere is the 5% for State and the distributors margin is where I was trying to get.
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#3495 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » December 21st, 2019, 1:23 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 12:26 pm
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 9:06 am
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 6:01 am

PA wins this “contest” with Johnstown Flood Tax in place since 1936 and the rate is 18%.
Edit we pay the 18% included in the state store price plus 6% to 8% general sales tax on the state store price. So taxes mark up the wholesale price by 28% +/-. I didn’t find any info on an additional state tax, so Washington has a higher tax on liquor, or at least lower priced liquor given the $2.85 tax per fifth of liquor.
Another edit, didn’t see the 17% to the retailer. Crazy, not much info on these tax rates on line that is a comprehensive comparison of state tax rates.
PA is not even close. You pay about 40.5% at the till.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-spirits-taxes-2018/
We still have the longer lived tax, it too was supposed to be for a few years and was supposed to benefit one town. They finally wised up and changed the name.
I had missed the fine print and think it’s misleading to post $ amounts when in states like PA and WA it's actually a percentage.

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#3496 Post by Kris Patten » December 21st, 2019, 1:31 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 1:23 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 12:26 pm
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
December 21st, 2019, 9:06 am

Another edit, didn’t see the 17% to the retailer. Crazy, not much info on these tax rates on line that is a comprehensive comparison of state tax rates.
PA is not even close. You pay about 40.5% at the till.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-spirits-taxes-2018/
We still have the longer lived tax, it too was supposed to be for a few years and was supposed to benefit one town. They finally wised up and changed the name.
I had missed the fine print and think it’s misleading to post $ amounts when in states like PA and WA it's actually a percentage.
My bad above, in WA you pay about 40.5% at the till, not sure what PA is, but that is distilled spirits only and spirits based RTDs.
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#3497 Post by ERPark » January 3rd, 2020, 8:19 am

My 2020 just got off to an amazing start!

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#3498 Post by Adam Noble » January 3rd, 2020, 8:22 am

Wow. 1956? That is very cool. Where does one find something like that?

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#3499 Post by ERPark » January 3rd, 2020, 10:00 am

Sheer luck. Got put in contact with a private seller. Apparently belonged to a relative who passed away recently. Seal was already broken, so I could sniff and taste before buying. Either the seller is a very talented blender who could make bank refilling bottles of Pappy, or it’s the real thing.

Seller definitely did not fit the profile at all of someone who drinks bourbon or is aware of the bourbon craze........
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#3500 Post by Adam Noble » January 6th, 2020, 4:20 pm

ERPark wrote:
January 3rd, 2020, 10:00 am
Sheer luck. Got put in contact with a private seller. Apparently belonged to a relative who passed away recently. Seal was already broken, so I could sniff and taste before buying. Either the seller is a very talented blender who could make bank refilling bottles of Pappy, or it’s the real thing.

Seller definitely did not fit the profile at all of someone who drinks bourbon or is aware of the bourbon craze........
Neat. Beautiful bottle too.

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