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Re: Damn it; I like ketchup with my hot dog.

#51 Post by John Davis » January 4th, 2020, 11:51 am

We use ketchup in some bbq sauce recipes. Sometimes/usually on fries but that is about it. Oh, and sauteed beef/calves liver! [swoon.gif]
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#52 Post by johngonzales » January 4th, 2020, 3:12 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
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I will never understand why ketchup on hot dogs is wrong. That’s how I’ve always eaten them.
It’s the law

https://www.hot-dog.org/culture/hot-dog-etiquette

Uh, notice that these “rules” contain no endorsement of putting salad on hot dogs as Chicagoans do. Plus, why would the rest of the world accept, as gospel, the opinion of those that consider this pizza [wow.gif] :
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The no ketchup rule is one of the silliest, and least supported food edicts out there. I wonder what percentage of the hot dogs consumed are actually consumed without ketchup. I’d guess that with ketchup is aboveboard 50%. It’s understandable that some don’t like it. If I had an either/or choice, I’d choose mustard. But that’s rarely the case, so I use both as a lot of people do. But I’m from Pittsburgh, so a complete disdain for ketchup is sacrilege.
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#53 Post by David K o l i n » January 4th, 2020, 3:48 pm

Must like ketchup on your steak. Same effect as on a dog

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#54 Post by AlexS » January 4th, 2020, 3:58 pm

C'mon now David, that's just harsh...

I mean, we all know John likes a salad on his steak.
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#55 Post by David K o l i n » January 4th, 2020, 4:31 pm

May as well put sugar directly on the hot dog

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#56 Post by johngonzales » January 4th, 2020, 5:12 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
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Must like ketchup on your steak. Same effect as on a dog
A hot dog is akin to a sandwich. A steak isn’t. A dog is much closer to a burger. Do you think it’s absurd to put ketchup on a burger? But using your logic, would YOU pile tomatoes, a pickle, and (Gag!) sweet pickle relish on a steak? Seriously, if there were an accurate all-encompassing American poll, I wonder whether the winner would be a Chicago dog, or the same dog with mustard and ketchup? If I’m in Chicago, I go Italian beef.

Btw, I use whatever ketchup is available when out, but at home we use Heinz No Sugar Added.

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#57 Post by J a y H a c k » January 4th, 2020, 7:28 pm

The only thing that's worse than ketchup on a hot dog is mayo on pastrami, with a double whammy when you put it on white bread. I actually have no idea how mayo would taste on pastrami, and I hope I never do.
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#58 Post by David K o l i n » January 4th, 2020, 8:48 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
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The only thing that's worse than ketchup on a hot dog is mayo on pastrami, with a double whammy when you put it on white bread. I actually have no idea how mayo would taste on pastrami, and I hope I never do.
It pastrami on white bread is akin to a sandwich, so ketchup would be fine

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#59 Post by Robert Pollard-Smith » January 5th, 2020, 6:39 am

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I like French fries with mustard and/or mayo.
Anything but ketchup.

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Anything but ketchup is the correct answer for crisp, golden fries— garlic aioli or dijon being my faves.

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#60 Post by CJ Beazley » January 5th, 2020, 6:54 am

A little mustard AND a little ketchup for a sweet/savory umami thing...what’s wrong with that?
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#61 Post by johngonzales » January 5th, 2020, 10:49 am

David K o l i n wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 8:48 pm
J a y H a c k wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 7:28 pm
The only thing that's worse than ketchup on a hot dog is mayo on pastrami, with a double whammy when you put it on white bread. I actually have no idea how mayo would taste on pastrami, and I hope I never do.
It pastrami on white bread is akin to a sandwich, so ketchup would be fine
Does Russian dressing count in the Ketchup or Mayo family? The James Beard Foundation likes it
https://www.jamesbeard.org/recipes/orig ... i-sandwich

The Langer’s #19 flies out of the kitchen every bit as much as the standard with just mustard. I love both. They’re just different.

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#62 Post by johngonzales » January 5th, 2020, 10:53 am

David K o l i n wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 8:48 pm
J a y H a c k wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 7:28 pm
The only thing that's worse than ketchup on a hot dog is mayo on pastrami, with a double whammy when you put it on white bread. I actually have no idea how mayo would taste on pastrami, and I hope I never do.
It pastrami on white bread is akin to a sandwich, so ketchup would be fine
Does Russian dressing count in the Ketchup or Mayo family? The James Beard Foundation likes it
https://www.jamesbeard.org/recipes/orig ... i-sandwich

The Langer’s #19 flies out of the kitchen every bit as much as the standard with just mustard. I love both. They’re just different.

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#63 Post by David K o l i n » January 5th, 2020, 11:07 am

Russian dressing in pastrami is an abomination, for the same and an additional reason. After all the work put in to make a perfect pastrami, why in the world would one cover it up with dressing. I’ve only had Langer’s once, and my recollection is that maybe the pastrami is worth covering up.

I did know an old Jewish guy who owned a deli who refused to make a pastrami on white bread with mayo for a co-worker of mine. Sometimes you just have to draw the line

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#64 Post by AlexS » January 5th, 2020, 2:00 pm

You guys have to remember that when most people think of pastrami it's of the prepackaged Oscar Meyer cold cut variety, which (as you know) has little do with real pastrami. Same with corned beef.
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#65 Post by johngonzales » January 5th, 2020, 4:06 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 11:07 am
Russian dressing in pastrami is an abomination, for the same and an additional reason. After all the work put in to make a perfect pastrami, why in the world would one cover it up with dressing. I’ve only had Langer’s once, and my recollection is that maybe the pastrami is worth covering up.

I did know an old Jewish guy who owned a deli who refused to make a pastrami on white bread with mayo for a co-worker of mine. Sometimes you just have to draw the line
Just realize that a huge segment of the population disagrees with you and that the attempt to present your preference as objective is debatable. First off, I think I know pastrami. I love it, have it all over the country, and attend to all sorts of critical discussion of various sources. You are in the extreme minority if you believe that Langer’s has poor quality pastrami. I’ve had some pastrami that is just as good, and there are simply subtle differences in style, but Langer’s history and patronage is not based upon illusion. Never have had Schwarz’s smoked meat.

The objective distinctions based upon how hard it is to make the pastrami meat, or an alleged difference between one condiment (mustard) and another (Russian dressing) are just subjective. People use condiments and sauces on things. Even things that may taste fine on their own and that take some effort to make. If you make a carne asada taco out of high quality beef, do you object to putting anything else on the taco? Do you eat a good quality burger without additions? Do you eat Italian beef or cheesesteaks with just meat. Pastrami is tasty, but it is really not massively different than good roasted turkey/chicken, roast beef, ham, a burger, gyros, etc. They make sandwiches. People put condiments on all of them. I can’t imagine what you think about a chicken salad sandwich?

As I said, I like pastrami with just mustard too. It is more “pure”. That doesn’t mean that something with added ingredients doesn’t taste good as well. Taste aside, one difference between the standard and the #19 at Langer’s is that a stacked standard pastrami sandwich, with a schmear of mustard I said noticeably drier. The dressing and the slaw add some juiciness. As far as flavor, the slight sweetness/acid of the two do fine with the peppery/salty character of the pastrami meat.

These food rules are just elitisms.

All of that said, I would not put coleslaw or dressing on THIS pastrami. It was perhaps the best I ever had. Made by fellow wine board member Saul Cooperstein. This was about ten years back, and legendary. A-5 Japanese Wagyu Rib Cap:
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Re: Damn it; I like ketchup with my hot dog.

#66 Post by Jay Miller » January 6th, 2020, 7:16 am

David K o l i n wrote:
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Blueberry bagels are my favorite.
An abomination. But not as bad as the bacon bagel that I once saw
There is a "bagel" shop in Freehold, NJ that sells Oreo cookie bagels. My cousin brought me one after I expressed my opinion of it.

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#67 Post by David K o l i n » January 6th, 2020, 8:34 am

johngonzales wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 4:06 pm
David K o l i n wrote:
January 5th, 2020, 11:07 am
Russian dressing in pastrami is an abomination, for the same and an additional reason. After all the work put in to make a perfect pastrami, why in the world would one cover it up with dressing. I’ve only had Langer’s once, and my recollection is that maybe the pastrami is worth covering up.

I did know an old Jewish guy who owned a deli who refused to make a pastrami on white bread with mayo for a co-worker of mine. Sometimes you just have to draw the line
Just realize that a huge segment of the population disagrees with you and that the attempt to present your preference as objective is debatable. First off, I think I know pastrami. I love it, have it all over the country, and attend to all sorts of critical discussion of various sources. You are in the extreme minority if you believe that Langer’s has poor quality pastrami. I’ve had some pastrami that is just as good, and there are simply subtle differences in style, but Langer’s history and patronage is not based upon illusion. Never have had Schwarz’s smoked meat.

The objective distinctions based upon how hard it is to make the pastrami meat, or an alleged difference between one condiment (mustard) and another (Russian dressing) are just subjective. People use condiments and sauces on things. Even things that may taste fine on their own and that take some effort to make. If you make a carne asada taco out of high quality beef, do you object to putting anything else on the taco? Do you eat a good quality burger without additions? Do you eat Italian beef or cheesesteaks with just meat. Pastrami is tasty, but it is really not massively different than good roasted turkey/chicken, roast beef, ham, a burger, gyros, etc. They make sandwiches. People put condiments on all of them. I can’t imagine what you think about a chicken salad sandwich?

As I said, I like pastrami with just mustard too. It is more “pure”. That doesn’t mean that something with added ingredients doesn’t taste good as well. Taste aside, one difference between the standard and the #19 at Langer’s is that a stacked standard pastrami sandwich, with a schmear of mustard I said noticeably drier. The dressing and the slaw add some juiciness. As far as flavor, the slight sweetness/acid of the two do fine with the peppery/salty character of the pastrami meat.

These food rules are just elitisms.

All of that said, I would not put coleslaw or dressing on THIS pastrami. It was perhaps the best I ever had. Made by fellow wine board member Saul Cooperstein. This was about ten years back, and legendary. A-5 Japanese Wagyu Rib Cap:
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You know I’m pulling your chain, right John. I have insufficient experience to pass on the quality of Langer’s pastrami since, as I noted, I’ve had it once 10-12 years ago) and it was not memorable. And I have had Russian dressing on corned beef in a Reuben, once or twice, but I personally could not do it on pastrami. This is probably a remnant if my childhood In which no deli in my neighborhood wod serve pastrami with ketchup.

As for Chicago dogs, I’m a Detroiter and cut my teeth on Coney Islands (mustard, chili and onions) - another city with enough sense to keep ketchup off of their wieners.

Tiny palate, ketchup as a confection, not a condiment. But, it goes without saying, that folks should eat their hot dogs, burgers, steaks, etc. as they like, being prepared for blowback.

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#68 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » January 6th, 2020, 1:35 pm

Why are we talking about pastrami? Crappy meat, treated to cover up the crappiness, but sorry it's still crappy. You're a bunch of Philistines.

Corned beef on the other hand is what God eats on his day off...
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#69 Post by Leonard Maran » January 6th, 2020, 2:46 pm

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#70 Post by johngonzales » January 6th, 2020, 2:57 pm

K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
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Why are we talking about pastrami? Crappy meat, treated to cover up the crappiness, but sorry it's still crappy. You're a bunch of Philistines.

Corned beef on the other hand is what God eats on his day off...
Hey, I love Pastrami but like Corned Beef too. It’s delicious mixed with some sautéed onions and tomatoes, served over steamed white rice. Filipino-style.
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One of the reasons Langer’s is good is that, as compared to other delis, they supposedly are extremely selective and pay extra for the best navel cuts.

David, yes I am quite sure that you are just razzing about this, as am I. All in fun. Re Delis, there’s is a good book called “Save the Deli” by David? Sax. It gets cred by singing the praises of Langer’s and calling L.A. the best deli town :)

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#71 Post by Betty C » January 6th, 2020, 3:50 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 7:16 am
David K o l i n wrote:
January 3rd, 2020, 10:55 pm
Betty C wrote:
January 3rd, 2020, 9:46 pm
[rofl.gif]

Blueberry bagels are my favorite.
An abomination. But not as bad as the bacon bagel that I once saw
There is a "bagel" shop in Freehold, NJ that sells Oreo cookie bagels. My cousin brought me one after I expressed my opinion of it.

It was even worse than you're thinking. A horror that echoes throughout time and space driving all who contemplate it to madness. A vile abomination spawned in the pits of hell. A crime not only against humanity but existence itself. An oreo cookie bagel.
Is this the bagel in question?
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#72 Post by David K o l i n » January 6th, 2020, 3:58 pm

johngonzales wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 2:57 pm
K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 1:35 pm
Why are we talking about pastrami? Crappy meat, treated to cover up the crappiness, but sorry it's still crappy. You're a bunch of Philistines.

Corned beef on the other hand is what God eats on his day off...
Hey, I love Pastrami but like Corned Beef too. It’s delicious mixed with some sautéed onions and tomatoes, served over steamed white rice. Filipino-style.
2246384A-01AE-4227-A645-4123A0769B2A.jpeg

One of the reasons Langer’s is good is that, as compared to other delis, they supposedly are extremely selective and pay extra for the best navel cuts.

David, yes I am quite sure that you are just razzing about this, as am I. All in fun. Re Delis, there’s is a good book called “Save the Deli” by David? Sax. It gets cred by singing the praises of Langer’s and calling L.A. the best deli town :)
I’m very familiar with the book. He also says Detroit has the best rye bread in the country. Of course, David is a Torontonian, so . . .

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#73 Post by Anton D » January 6th, 2020, 4:14 pm

Having ketchup on your hot dog is a great warm up for a Red Wings game.
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#74 Post by David K o l i n » January 6th, 2020, 4:25 pm

Anton D wrote:
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Having ketchup on your hot dog is a great warm up for a Red Wings game.
Lost me on that one, Anton

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#75 Post by Anton D » January 6th, 2020, 4:32 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
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Anton D wrote:
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Having ketchup on your hot dog is a great warm up for a Red Wings game.
Lost me on that one, Anton
Old hockey joke.
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#76 Post by Lee Short » January 6th, 2020, 11:12 pm

I don't eat ketchup or hot dogs.

Give me a brat with mustard as the minimum step up. Preferably also onions and peppers.

But then I've never lived in a city with a good hot dog culture, and maybe never had a good dog. But the temptation to try one when traveling is zero.

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#77 Post by Jay Miller » January 7th, 2020, 6:08 am

Betty C wrote:
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Jay Miller wrote:
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An abomination. But not as bad as the bacon bagel that I once saw
There is a "bagel" shop in Freehold, NJ that sells Oreo cookie bagels. My cousin brought me one after I expressed my opinion of it.

It was even worse than you're thinking. A horror that echoes throughout time and space driving all who contemplate it to madness. A vile abomination spawned in the pits of hell. A crime not only against humanity but existence itself. An oreo cookie bagel.
Is this the bagel in question?

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That's it though I only had the bagel. The Bagel Nook in Freehold.
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#78 Post by Betty C » January 7th, 2020, 2:56 pm

Jay Miller wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 6:08 am
Betty C wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 3:50 pm
Jay Miller wrote:
January 6th, 2020, 7:16 am


There is a "bagel" shop in Freehold, NJ that sells Oreo cookie bagels. My cousin brought me one after I expressed my opinion of it.

It was even worse than you're thinking. A horror that echoes throughout time and space driving all who contemplate it to madness. A vile abomination spawned in the pits of hell. A crime not only against humanity but existence itself. An oreo cookie bagel.
Is this the bagel in question?

oreo bagel.jpg
That's it though I only had the bagel. The Bagel Nook in Freehold.
I would have to agree that it's a vile abomination. This is why America has an obesity problem!
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#79 Post by Jim Brennan » January 7th, 2020, 4:21 pm



And for the record, the idea of putting ketchup on a hot dog is disgusting.

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