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#101 Post by Vince L. » May 28th, 2020, 11:11 pm

I think he mentioned that since they are bottling next week, you should plan to hold for a couple months before drinking. Or have them hold it through the summer.
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#102 Post by Robert M yers » May 29th, 2020, 5:10 am

It’s a $13 wine that you have a case of. Open one up!

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#103 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 2:12 pm

$10 Sta Rita Hills Pinot actually reviewed w/ a 92 score.

This guy is going to make me run out of wine storage space very very soon.
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#104 Post by Andre M » May 29th, 2020, 2:17 pm

Walt Pinot maybe? Has the same score and price as mentioned in the offer.
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#105 Post by Vince L. » May 29th, 2020, 2:25 pm

Woah 14.5% ABV. I like Sta Rita Hills Pinots but not that hot.
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#106 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 2:29 pm

Andre M wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:17 pm
Walt Pinot maybe? Has the same score and price as mentioned in the offer.
Can't find alcohol % for Walt anywhere.
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#107 Post by Vince L. » May 29th, 2020, 2:30 pm

MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:29 pm
Andre M wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:17 pm
Walt Pinot maybe? Has the same score and price as mentioned in the offer.
Can't find alcohol % for Walt anywhere.
14.9 for the 2018 & 2017 it appears from zooming in on the labels
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#108 Post by Vince L. » May 29th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Could be:

Rasi 2017 Rancho La Vina Pinot Noir

https://www.winemag.com/buying-guide/ra ... ls-310688/

Price & ABV match up.
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#109 Post by Abbie S. » May 29th, 2020, 2:41 pm

La Crema has a similar profile...
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#110 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 2:44 pm

La Crema not 40+ or even close though
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#111 Post by Abbie S. » May 29th, 2020, 2:46 pm

MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:44 pm
La Crema not 40+ or even close though

https://www.lacrema.com/wine/sta-rita-hills-pinot-noir/
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#112 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 2:46 pm

Vince L. wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:41 pm
Could be:

Rasi 2017 Rancho La Vina Pinot Noir

https://www.winemag.com/buying-guide/ra ... ls-310688/

Price & ABV match up.
Prob not this

"14.5% alc., 200 cases, $45, screw cap. Aged 10 months in 1 to 4-year-old French oak barrels. ·"

Small production. Doubt they then sold 500-1000 cases bulk. Also barrels different.
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#113 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 2:48 pm

Abbie S. wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:46 pm
MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:44 pm
La Crema not 40+ or even close though

https://www.lacrema.com/wine/sta-rita-hills-pinot-noir/
Surprised that high. Anyway, not that.

Type of Oak: 100% French; 21% new
Time in Barrel: 15 months

It would have to match if he is quoting a 92 point score...would have to be exact same wine or it's kinda fraud.
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#114 Post by Eric Michels » May 29th, 2020, 2:54 pm

I'm going to hedge my bet with two guesses:

Luna Vineyards Winemaker’s Reserve Pinot Noir 2017
Brewer-Clifton 2017 Pinot Noir (Sta. Rita Hills)

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#115 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 3:02 pm

Eric Michels wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:54 pm
I'm going to hedge my bet with two guesses:

Luna Vineyards Winemaker’s Reserve Pinot Noir 2017
Brewer-Clifton 2017 Pinot Noir (Sta. Rita Hills)
Well done. Has to be Luna. Exact same barrels, price, and alcohol.

I can't find any barrel info on Brewer-Clifton or really anything on the 2017 so doubt its that.

Luna: TASTING NOTES

Rhubarb, strawberry and forest leaves on the nose; rich bramble berry, rhubarb, earth, and cocoa on the palate

de Negoce:

Whole-cluster-fermented and finished in neutral oak, this wine is impressive for its purity. Pretty aromas of strawberry puree and spicy black cherry give way to vanilla-kissed raspberry and cola notes. Rhubarb and underbrush are supported on sappy, lip-smacking acidity in a long, sustained finish haloed with lilac and rose petals.

Luna also exact score and alcohol. And >1000 cases so easily could sell 500-1000 excess in a private label.
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#116 Post by K Kl@dder » May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm

Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
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#117 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » May 29th, 2020, 4:23 pm

K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
Or he’s just pricing an Aston Martin lol

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#118 Post by K Kl@dder » May 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:23 pm
K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
Or he’s just pricing an Aston Martin lol
Good for him if he is!
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#119 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » May 29th, 2020, 4:40 pm

K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:23 pm
K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
Or he’s just pricing an Aston Martin lol
Good for him if he is!
Agreed! I hope he is.

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#120 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm

K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
To his credit, this is the first one anyone has gotten out of the 7. The others were too vague or were not exact clones from a winery and thus impossible to figure out.
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#121 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm

MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm
K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
To his credit, this is the first one anyone has gotten out of the 7. The others were too vague or were not exact clones from a winery and thus impossible to figure out.
Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.

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#122 Post by Michael Martin » May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm
MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm
K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:02 pm
Cameron’s either sitting in his office laughing at this or saying “damn, these guys are good!”
To his credit, this is the first one anyone has gotten out of the 7. The others were too vague or were not exact clones from a winery and thus impossible to figure out.
Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.
How will we know where the others came from?

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#123 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » May 29th, 2020, 6:27 pm

Michael Martin wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm
MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm


To his credit, this is the first one anyone has gotten out of the 7. The others were too vague or were not exact clones from a winery and thus impossible to figure out.
Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.
How will we know where the others came from?
Once the original wineries release their wines and list the details such as ABV, % new oak, AVAs, price, blend %’s etc. we’ll be able to figure it out as folks did with the pinot offer above.

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#124 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 6:29 pm

Yah that's a very good point! And also why the others have no ratings.
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#125 Post by Nick F. » May 29th, 2020, 6:33 pm

The miner guess on those seems accurate
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#126 Post by Vince L. » May 29th, 2020, 7:01 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Michael Martin wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm


Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.
How will we know where the others came from?
Once the original wineries release their wines and list the details such as ABV, % new oak, AVAs, price, blend %’s etc. we’ll be able to figure it out as folks did with the pinot offer above.
what if the OG winery doesnt release the wine and instead sold entire production to dN
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#127 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » May 29th, 2020, 7:05 pm

Vince L. wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Michael Martin wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm


How will we know where the others came from?
Once the original wineries release their wines and list the details such as ABV, % new oak, AVAs, price, blend %’s etc. we’ll be able to figure it out as folks did with the pinot offer above.
what if the OG winery doesnt release the wine and instead sold entire production to dN
I think that is very unlikely given the quality of the 2018 vintage (only offers I bought). But if I cannot ID the winery I’ll assume it is MACDONALD.

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#128 Post by Tom H o l b r o o k » May 29th, 2020, 7:32 pm

Michael Martin wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm
MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:24 pm


To his credit, this is the first one anyone has gotten out of the 7. The others were too vague or were not exact clones from a winery and thus impossible to figure out.
Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.
How will we know where the others came from?
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#129 Post by MatthewT » May 29th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 7:05 pm
Vince L. wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 7:01 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 6:27 pm


Once the original wineries release their wines and list the details such as ABV, % new oak, AVAs, price, blend %’s etc. we’ll be able to figure it out as folks did with the pinot offer above.
what if the OG winery doesnt release the wine and instead sold entire production to dN
I think that is very unlikely given the quality of the 2018 vintage (only offers I bought). But if I cannot ID the winery I’ll assume it is MACDONALD.
it's the only way they keep the supply/demand so lopsided. makes perfect sense
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#130 Post by rsmithjr » May 30th, 2020, 6:44 am

Tom H o l b r o o k wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 7:32 pm
Michael Martin wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:45 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 5:42 pm


Most of the other offers have not yet been released from the original wineries, so it was nearly impossible to figure them out. Soon enough, we’ll know where they came from but the wine has already been sold...Should be fun to learn what we bought and at these prices, there will be no dissatisfaction.
How will we know where the others came from?
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#131 Post by Jason Crawford » May 30th, 2020, 5:35 pm

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:40 pm
K Kl@dder wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 4:23 pm


Or he’s just pricing an Aston Martin lol
Good for him if he is!
Agreed! I hope he is.
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#132 Post by Nate Simon » May 31st, 2020, 5:32 pm

Vince L. wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:25 pm
Woah 14.5% ABV. I like Sta Rita Hills Pinots but not that hot.
Berserkers: “Hey, 14.5% is way too high! No way I’d buy that, even for $13 a bottle!”

Also Berserkers: “I just can’t wait to get on the SQN mailing list!”

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#133 Post by Vince L. » June 3rd, 2020, 7:26 pm

Looks like #10 will be a Napa Valley Rose for $9/Bottle :)

https://www.denegoce.com/products/og-n- ... alley-rose
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#134 Post by Carlton McCrindle » June 3rd, 2020, 8:03 pm

Sold out before I received the email. Congrats to Cam!

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#135 Post by Nick F. » June 3rd, 2020, 8:15 pm

What were the specs on it?
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#136 Post by Vince L. » June 3rd, 2020, 8:17 pm

Nick F. wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 8:15 pm
What were the specs on it?
Carlton McCrindle wrote:
June 3rd, 2020, 8:03 pm
Sold out before I received the email. Congrats to Cam!
I don't think it was actually offered yet. It was just a url that came up.

No Specs or bottle picture or anything.
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#137 Post by MatthewT » June 4th, 2020, 11:14 am

#8 out. Another 2018 Cab. Says just under $100/bottle, selling for $14.
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#138 Post by cjsadler » June 4th, 2020, 11:15 am

MatthewT wrote:
June 4th, 2020, 11:14 am
#8 out. Another 2018 Cab. Says just under $100/bottle, selling for $14.
No abv listed :(
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#139 Post by Nick F. » June 4th, 2020, 11:16 am

Who uses american oak on Mt veeder?
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#140 Post by Lloyd A. Kasman » June 4th, 2020, 11:39 am

og 8 Bordeaux style blend for this price, I don’t think you need to be too concerned about the oak usage. I’m in for a case

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#141 Post by rsmithjr » June 4th, 2020, 11:48 am

Mt. Veeder 81% St. Helena 19%...... Must resist.....


ooops..... could not.

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#142 Post by Eric White » June 4th, 2020, 12:07 pm

in for a case, feels like very little downside

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#143 Post by H. N o w b a r » June 4th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Eric White wrote:
June 4th, 2020, 12:07 pm
in for a case, feels like very little downside
This logic has gotten me into 5-6 cases so far...lol
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#144 Post by Otto Dobre » June 4th, 2020, 12:13 pm

Eric White wrote:
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in for a case, feels like very little downside
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#145 Post by K Kl@dder » June 4th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Surprised no one is offering to split cases yet.
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#146 Post by Frank Z » June 4th, 2020, 12:34 pm

cjsadler wrote:
June 4th, 2020, 11:15 am
MatthewT wrote:
June 4th, 2020, 11:14 am
#8 out. Another 2018 Cab. Says just under $100/bottle, selling for $14.
No abv listed :(
I think the abv is now listed at 14.4%.
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#147 Post by Toby P » June 4th, 2020, 12:51 pm

Sigh...finally caved and bought one of these offers, been trying so hard not to buy wine! I'd be interested in splits on the off chance anyone is in the Greenwich, CT area fell free to PM.

Any guesses on winery? Mt Brave seems like a decent candidate, around the right price point, some similar tasting notes on past vintages, similar ABV and they've used merlot / malbec / petit verdot in previous bottlings. I think they have reasonably large production as well though couldn't confirm. Just a guess...
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#148 Post by Troy Stark » June 4th, 2020, 1:31 pm

MatthewT wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 3:02 pm
Eric Michels wrote:
May 29th, 2020, 2:54 pm
I'm going to hedge my bet with two guesses:

Luna Vineyards Winemaker’s Reserve Pinot Noir 2017
Brewer-Clifton 2017 Pinot Noir (Sta. Rita Hills)
Well done. Has to be Luna. Exact same barrels, price, and alcohol.
That's what we concluded as well.

Super curious about the Mt. Veeder Cab offer. We really don't dig Napa stuff except from the mountains, but Mt. Veeder is not something we seek out. We've been holding out for either Spring Mtn or Howell Mtn, but this is tempting.
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#149 Post by Andre M » June 4th, 2020, 1:47 pm

OG #8 includes free shipping. So this might help to justify the purchase.
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#150 Post by MatthewT » June 4th, 2020, 1:55 pm

no, that was an error. cause i went back and bought a 2nd case and they charged for shipping.

cameron will prob correct it.
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