2014 Red Burgundy

[Greg_K]

I think 17s are in their sweet spot atm. After opening that Drouhin Laroze Beze that was shut down hard, I’m staying away from 14s for at least a couple yrs.

For the most part I agree, but 17 Arnoux-Lachaux Hautes Maizières was shutting down pretty hard about 2 weeks ago

Interesting. When I was at the Paulee Grand Tasting in March (seems like 100 years and another lifetime ago now) the 2017s were really friendly - wide open and easy to drink. And, they had so much more to offer than when I tasted them from barrel in Burgundy in the summer of 2018. I was thinking this might be a vintage that never closes. Too bad.

I don’t think there’s a vintage that doesn’t close at all. I had a 2017 Fourrier Combe aux Moine blind last month and found the finish very short (it was clearly young Fourrier though), so it was definitely a touch shut down. But it was beautiful and wide open at Paulee.

[Jay_Miller]

Interesting. When I was at the Paulee Grand Tasting in March (seems like 100 years and another lifetime ago now) the 2017s were really friendly - wide open and easy to drink. And, they had so much more to offer than when I tasted them from barrel in Burgundy in the summer of 2018. I was thinking this might be a vintage that never closes. Too bad.

I don’t think there’s a vintage that doesn’t close at all.

That’s been my experience as well.

[MChang]

The vast majority of 17 is wide open. I’ve drank more than 10 cases of village, 1er, and grand cru 17 burg and less than a handful were tight, usually the ones you’d expect (barthod)

[Chris_Barton]

Opened a 2014 d’Angerville Volnay 1er Cru tonight. Beautiful, primary and velvety at first, but after an hour it closed up on itself and became a wall of tannin. Some deep chocolatey and high-toned floral aspects as well, but they diminished with air.

A 14 Fourrier Gevrey VV closed up similarly in December. I think if you drink these wines now they are best served without air.

14 Meo VR and 14 Dujac MSD on deck for tomorrow night.

If you find 2014s to be closing up, why are you and others still opening them. When I find that wines from a vintage are closed, I stop opening bottles from that vintage (instead opening other vintages) and let the bottles sit a few more years.

For education and because I only have so much wine given when I started buying and don’t want to drink only Bourgogne. For fun and because when it comes down to it it’s just a bottle of wine.

[erikportanger]

I have a theory that the 13s are going to be early drinkers and are potentially quite a bit better in general than their reputation would suggest. This is, admittedly, based on a relatively small number of bottles that I’ve tried from great producers - Liger Belair, Rousseau etc… Would be interested in people’s views on how they stack up vs the 14s.

[MChang]

I have a theory that the 13s are going to be early drinkers and are potentially quite a bit better in general than their reputation would suggest. This is, admittedly, based on a relatively small number of bottles that I’ve tried from great producers - Liger Belair, Rousseau etc… Would be interested in people’s views on how they stack up vs the 14s.

I think 13s are better than people think but don’t think they’ll be early drinkers; they’re more along the lines of 06/08 imo. The only fantastic 13 I’ve had has been Ramonet Clos de la Boudriotte, which was spectacular.

[Tomas_Costa]

I have a theory that the 13s are going to be early drinkers and are potentially quite a bit better in general than their reputation would suggest. This is, admittedly, based on a relatively small number of bottles that I’ve tried from great producers - Liger Belair, Rousseau etc… Would be interested in people’s views on how they stack up vs the 14s.

I think 13s are better than people think but don’t think they’ll be early drinkers; they’re more along the lines of 06/08 imo. The only fantastic 13 I’ve had has been Ramonet Clos de la Boudriotte, which was spectacular.

Great tip… I’ve got Bernard Moreau’s 2010 Cardeuse and wanted to continue digging into red Chassagne, but wasn’t sure about which vintage of Ramonet CdlB to get my hands on. I actually found a 2001 here in Portugal but at 100+€ I was not enchanted.

[MChang]

I have a theory that the 13s are going to be early drinkers and are potentially quite a bit better in general than their reputation would suggest. This is, admittedly, based on a relatively small number of bottles that I’ve tried from great producers - Liger Belair, Rousseau etc… Would be interested in people’s views on how they stack up vs the 14s.

I think 13s are better than people think but don’t think they’ll be early drinkers; they’re more along the lines of 06/08 imo. The only fantastic 13 I’ve had has been Ramonet Clos de la Boudriotte, which was spectacular.

Great tip… I’ve got Bernard Moreau’s 2010 Cardeuse and wanted to continue digging into red Chassagne, but wasn’t sure about which vintage of Ramonet CdlB to get my hands on. I actually found a 2001 here in Portugal but at 100+€ I was not enchanted.

15-17 are the obvious choices. 13 is a nice vintage if you can find it for a good price. I got a few <50 which is a great value.

[Larry_Link]

The vast majority of 17 is wide open. I’ve drank more than 10 cases of village, 1er, and grand cru 17 burg and less than a handful were tight, usually the ones you’d expect (barthod)

Let me get this straight, 2017 has been in the market for about one year and you’ve already opened and consumed 120 bottles?

[MChang]

The vast majority of 17 is wide open. I’ve drank more than 10 cases of village, 1er, and grand cru 17 burg and less than a handful were tight, usually the ones you’d expect (barthod)

Let me get this straight, 2017 has been in the market for about one year and you’ve already opened and consumed 120 bottles?

Yep; I drink almost exclusively burgundy, much of it young. That estimate is probably on the low side.

[Larry_Link]

The vast majority of 17 is wide open. I’ve drank more than 10 cases of village, 1er, and grand cru 17 burg and less than a handful were tight, usually the ones you’d expect (barthod)

Let me get this straight, 2017 has been in the market for about one year and you’ve already opened and consumed 120 bottles?

Yep; I drink almost exclusively burgundy, much of it young. That estimate is probably on the low side.

Prolific consumption of a single vintage, I’m going to put you on a pedestal!

50% of my consumption is burgundy. For comparison, I have a lot of 2005 burgundy, and have consumed 127 (65 red and 62 white) bottles since 2007 when I first started receiving and drinking them. That’s over 13 years.

Are you laying any 17s down to age? I love the 17 whites, and have high hopes for aging. Zero reds as I stopped buying reds in 2014.

[MChang]

Let me get this straight, 2017 has been in the market for about one year and you’ve already opened and consumed 120 bottles?

Yep; I drink almost exclusively burgundy, much of it young. That estimate is probably on the low side.

Prolific consumption of a single vintage, I’m going to put you on a pedestal!

50% of my consumption is burgundy. For comparison, I have a lot of 2005 burgundy, and have consumed 127 (65 red and 62 white) bottles since 2007 when I first started receiving and drinking them. That’s over 13 years.

Are you laying any 17s down to age? I love the 17 whites, and have high hopes for aging. Zero reds as I stopped buying reds in 2014.

Yeah I have put away quite a bit of 17 as well.

I have drank a handful of older vintages, primarily 09 and 15, but probably 90% of the burgundy I’ve drank lately is 17, and it makes up > 90% of our consumption. Probably a case or more of that is 17 HN Bourgogne, which is fantastic atm. A lot of Marc Roy, duroche, and Tawse village wines as well.

[James_Billy]

One of the best vintages I ever had young were the 2010s. I still love them at 10, although I am sure some have shut down. Stylistically, the 2014s remind me of the 2010s, although 2010 is a better vintage. I expect that the 2014s will be excellent, although again some will shut down.

As for William’s point about the 2012s and 2013s, I wholeheartedly agree with respect to the 2012s but have not been drinking 2013s so I cannot comment on them. The few 2012s I have had recently have been really good. When they came out, I thought of 2012 as being another 2002, but I now think 2012 could be a better vintage than 2002.

Howard, this is all so subjective and personal. Please could you explain what you are hoping for (and what other outcomes can occur) when Red Burgundy finally comes out of its closed period in terms of aromas, flavors and textures? Thanks

[erikportanger]

I’ve found the 2012s I’ve had to be a bit ripe and easy, which is not generally what I look for in burgundy. But they’re young and anything can happen I guess. This is, of course, also highly subjective…

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

The vast majority of 17 is wide open. I’ve drank more than 10 cases of village, 1er, and grand cru 17 burg and less than a handful were tight, usually the ones you’d expect (barthod)

Do you only drink Burgundy?

ETA: nevermind. I see this was already addressed.

[Peter_Valiquette]

This thread makes me want to crack a couple of 2014 Roumiers just to see if they’re open.

[Alex_Valdes]

This thread makes me want to crack a couple of 2014 Roumiers just to see if they’re open.

CM: yes
Cras: I liked it (as mentioned) but has time
BM: don’t do it
Ruchottes: def don’t do it

[Peter_Valiquette]

This thread makes me want to crack a couple of 2014 Roumiers just to see if they’re open.

CM: yes
Cras: I liked it (as mentioned) but has time
BM: don’t do it
Ruchottes: def don’t do it

Bussiere?

[Alex_Valdes]

This thread makes me want to crack a couple of 2014 Roumiers just to see if they’re open.

CM: yes
Cras: I liked it (as mentioned) but has time
BM: don’t do it
Ruchottes: def don’t do it

Bussiere?

Have only had those 4 14s.