There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
great report, Also great to hear about the Giacosas. Is the wine you reviewed a red label ? Kens sight seemed to indicate none made this year but maybe I got it wrong ? I’ve seen a couple of reports indicating it was red label. Our local distributor is listing it as Le Rocche de Falletto.
I would love to here your thoughts on what’s been going on at Scavino. The portfolio has a whole new life these days.
It would have to be a miracle, since Scavino was the producer who scared me off Barolo for nearly a decade.
('How much wood could a woodchuck chuck…")There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
John,
I love your description of excessive oak as ‘fuzz,’ and ‘nontransparent’ is very good too. Even big Nebbiolo should be somehow transparent in flavor.
Greg,
Thank you for this very helpful information. I would like to reply to one of your observations, that of Palladino producing “crus [that] are classic, traditionally styled wines”. My experience with Palladino, most recently the 2014 Ornato, is that it was a big, rich wine, with a distinctly vanillin oak nose. Pat Burton’s helpful thread classifies Palladino as a “median” producer on the traditional/modern spectrum. Do you have any specific information regarding the oak treatment and wine making style at Palladino. Has it changed?
It would have to be a miracle, since Scavino was the producer who scared me off Barolo for nearly a decade.
('How much wood could a woodchuck chuck…")There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
John,
I love your description of excessive oak as ‘fuzz,’ and ‘nontransparent’ is very good too. Even big Nebbiolo should be somehow transparent in flavor.
I specifically asked about Scavino and Clerico because most of their wines from the early-ish 2000s turned me off them due to excessive oak. With most bottles it was debatable whether the fruit would outlast the hard-as-nails oak.
Glad to hear Scavino has changed. Does Clerico still have the young winemaker who was there in 2014 when we visited? Domenico was still around at that point, and he spent quite a bit of time talking with us, but of course he wasn’t making the wine by that time. Any thoughts on their recent wines, and does anyone know if there have been other changes since Domenico passed?
It would have to be a miracle, since Scavino was the producer who scared me off Barolo for nearly a decade.
('How much wood could a woodchuck chuck…")There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
John,
I love your description of excessive oak as ‘fuzz,’ and ‘nontransparent’ is very good too. Even big Nebbiolo should be somehow transparent in flavor.
To be clear, it wasn’t oak flavor, so I don’t know if it’s barriques or something else. (I think by '13 Scavino’s use of barriques had been sharply curtailed.) Whatever the cause, tasting the wines was like looking through a very dirty window at the vines.
I found something similar tasting in Bordeaux in 2001 at the properties that used reverse osmosis.
There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
Was this change noticeable all the way to the Monvigliero?
To be clear, it wasn’t oak flavor, … Whatever the cause, tasting the wines was like looking through a very dirty window at the vines.
I found something similar tasting in Bordeaux in 2001 at the properties that used reverse osmosis.
Interesting. Would one of those be Pape Clement?
There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
Was this change noticeable all the way to the Monvigliero?
Yes.
I bought the Burlotto, Frat. Allesandria and Scavino '12 Monviglieros and have been waiting for a chance to taste them blind because I really loathed the '13 Scavino Monvigliero. I’ll be interested to see how the three '12s stack up against each other.
To be clear, it wasn’t oak flavor, … Whatever the cause, tasting the wines was like looking through a very dirty window at the vines.
I found something similar tasting in Bordeaux in 2001 at the properties that used reverse osmosis.
Interesting. Would one of those be Pape Clement?
Indeed, we made a stop there. And Smith Haut-Laffite. And a number of others. I still have my notes somewhere. It was an impression formed after a couple days of back-to-back visits. The pattern started to emerge for me.
But I can’t imagine anyone is using RO is the Langhe.
Fratelli Alessandria has had a breakout year. The quality of these wines has been on a gradual yet perpetual upswing over the past 15 years and one of the crus has always edged into the top tier of wines, but the 2015 San Lorenzo is just flat out gorgeous, exciting and vivid with the Gramolere and Monvigliero not far behind. A must buy for me, great values.
Giacosa is back. Perhaps a bit of the magic has yet to return with Bruno’s passing, but the quality here is once again absolutely top notch and worth adding to the cellar if you are comfortable with the pricing.
I tried the 2015 Fratelli Alessandria San Lorenzo yesterday
Wow what a redfruited and fragrance rich young Barolo.
Re Giacosa. 2014 Rabaja were better than 2015. IMO
Hey Greg, great report. Good to know you’re drinking well!!
BUT -
And finally, and I truly believe this, the vines know better. Yes I literally mean that. It has taken some time but I believe that in the Langhe today vines have memory, the ability to adapt to the changing weather and the knowledge base to understand that weather. It sounds a bit far fetched even to me, but how else to explain the fine, and in some cases very fine quality of the wines in 2015? It would be presumptuous at best and particularly vain to assume that it is all the handiwork of man.
You’re not getting all gooey on us are you? Vines, if managed well and not abused, will survive. Maybe it’s not so much that they “know better” but perhaps some of them are older and/or some of them have not been pruned so hard? I don’t know, but it’s pretty much impossible to imagine that vines make plans. The fruit for the 2015 year was set in motion in 2014, so maybe it’s something in that year that’s responsible.
There is no doubt that my understanding of Barolo continues to evolve. It takes time to understand vineyards and the influence of the winemakers, particularly while each is continuously evolving. With each passing year I find producers whose product increasingly appeals to me and vineyards that give such a unique expression of terroir that I may have dismissed them in the past as being atypical without understanding the unique experience on offer.
Palate shift with age dude! Next you’ll be extolling over ripe CdP!
Anyway, nice thoughtful report. Cheers!
I am not getting gooey, though my brain perhaps is!
If anything my palate has shifted from over-ripe, though I increasingly enjoy actual ripe. Actually I never liked over-ripe crap.
great report, Also great to hear about the Giacosas. Is the wine you reviewed a red label ? Kens sight seemed to indicate none made this year but maybe I got it wrong ? I’ve seen a couple of reports indicating it was red label. Our local distributor is listing it as Le Rocche de Falletto.
I tasted from a shiner but Bruna indicated that they were leaning towards labelling this as Riserva, though that decision had not yet been made. I don’t know what the finale decision was.
Greg,
Thank you for this very helpful information. I would like to reply to one of your observations, that of Palladino producing “crus [that] are classic, traditionally styled wines”. My experience with Palladino, most recently the 2014 Ornato, is that it was a big, rich wine, with a distinctly vanillin oak nose. Pat Burton’s helpful thread classifies Palladino as a “median” producer on the traditional/modern spectrum. Do you have any specific information regarding the oak treatment and wine making style at Palladino. Has it changed?
The ageing regimen for the crus is 30 day macerations, six months in concrete followed by two years in botte. Parafada saw a year in tonneaux and a year in botte but I think now it’s all botte. I would not be surprised if a round of new botte introduction have lent their oak to some recent bottlings. My notes indicate that the 2014 Ornato saw 2 years in botte.
There seems to have been a big change. Tasting through the '14 and '15 lineups last year and this year, they were surprisingly transparent and balanced. None of the sort of fuzz that had characterized Scavino’s wines for so many years. (I didn’t like the '13s, which seemed very muddy/fuzzy/obscured/nontransparent.)
John,
I love your description of excessive oak as ‘fuzz,’ and ‘nontransparent’ is very good too. Even big Nebbiolo should be somehow transparent in flavor.
To be clear, it wasn’t oak flavor, so I don’t know if it’s barriques or something else. (I think by '13 Scavino’s use of barriques had been sharply curtailed.) Whatever the cause, tasting the wines was like looking through a very dirty window at the vines.
I found something similar tasting in Bordeaux in 2001 at the properties that used reverse osmosis.
Something like this happens when you dry the grapes for a few days.
Fratelli Alessandria has had a breakout year. The quality of these wines has been on a gradual yet perpetual upswing over the past 15 years and one of the crus has always edged into the top tier of wines, but the 2015 San Lorenzo is just flat out gorgeous, exciting and vivid with the Gramolere and Monvigliero not far behind. A must buy for me, great values.
Giacosa is back. Perhaps a bit of the magic has yet to return with Bruno’s passing, but the quality here is once again absolutely top notch and worth adding to the cellar if you are comfortable with the pricing.
I tried the 2015 Fratelli Alessandria San Lorenzo yesterday
Wow what a redfruited and fragrance rich young Barolo.
Re Giacosa. 2014 Rabaja were better than 2015. IMO
I bought my San Lorenzo yesterday. Looking forward to trying it again. Just a vivid and exuberant wine, my kind of Barolo.
I didn’t try the 2015 Rabaja, but I’ll take your word for it.
Fratelli Alessandria has had a breakout year. The quality of these wines has been on a gradual yet perpetual upswing over the past 15 years and one of the crus has always edged into the top tier of wines, but the 2015 San Lorenzo is just flat out gorgeous, exciting and vivid with the Gramolere and Monvigliero not far behind. A must buy for me, great values.
Giacosa is back. Perhaps a bit of the magic has yet to return with Bruno’s passing, but the quality here is once again absolutely top notch and worth adding to the cellar if you are comfortable with the pricing.
I tried the 2015 Fratelli Alessandria San Lorenzo yesterday
Wow what a redfruited and fragrance rich young Barolo.
Re Giacosa. 2014 Rabaja were better than 2015. IMOI bought my San Lorenzo yesterday. Looking forward to trying it again. Just a vivid and exuberant wine, my kind of Barolo.
I did try the 2014 and 2015, and agree that the 2014 is a bit better!
great report, Also great to hear about the Giacosas. Is the wine you reviewed a red label ? Kens sight seemed to indicate none made this year but maybe I got it wrong ? I’ve seen a couple of reports indicating it was red label. Our local distributor is listing it as Le Rocche de Falletto.
I tasted from a shiner but Bruna indicated that they were leaning towards labelling this as Riserva, though that decision had not yet been made. I don’t know what the finale decision was.
I reread my notes and I think we were just talking about the quality of the wines, ie. it could be a riserva as opposed to actually suggesting that it could be bottled as a riserva. Thank you for pointing this out. I will amend the review.
great report, Also great to hear about the Giacosas. Is the wine you reviewed a red label ? Kens sight seemed to indicate none made this year but maybe I got it wrong ? I’ve seen a couple of reports indicating it was red label. Our local distributor is listing it as Le Rocche de Falletto.
I tasted from a shiner but Bruna indicated that they were leaning towards labelling this as Riserva, though that decision had not yet been made. I don’t know what the finale decision was but this was presented as le Rocche.
I reread my notes and I think we were just talking about the quality of the wines, ie. it could be a riserva as opposed to actually suggesting that it could be bottled as a riserva.
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