Araujo eisele vineyard cab

[William_Gladstone]

William, the thread probably should be in Wine Talk where the discussion of wine tastings and experiences are shared. Wine Pimps is primarily for retailer problems, successes, suggestions and help.

On the other hand, the wine IS that good if it has been properly stored and no, I, won’t sell you any that I have. We lost a lot it during the earthquake and the last 2003 we opened needed an hour decant. Dinner was secondary to the wine. But that’s just my opinion.

Thank you for the good advice…
I am not looking to purchase any…
I am honestly looking for exactly what I stated…
Berserker members have knowledge that I value and I am merely seeking that,
Oh and as well as tracking the price that winery direct people pay…
we have been asked to move a few hundred cases so I do not need any more

One point Randy is making is since this sub-forum is for retailers, you won’t get near as many eyes on your question than you would in the main forum.

Personally, I think Eisele is a world-class vineyard. In my personal and professional opinion, that meant it stood up well to goofy winemaking, so those Araujos are good and very enjoyable, but they’re more “the world’s best blueberry milkshakes” than serious wines optimizing what the vineyard can do. What Helene and co. are doing is a huge step up to prime time. But, it is trading away early drinkability to be a Napa first growth.

Thank you - It is obvious you are giving good advice, I’m so lost in social media… but I do not feel comfortable to try to move this or duplicate my note…
I just am clueless why it is not selling out and why there is not the demand, and why the stigma, and why is the international market is so weak…

[Ryan_A]

My two cents is due to poor marketing. As Wes said the vineyard is outstanding with incredible history- no different than the other top ‘Napa First Growths’ but due to poor MARCOMM, domestic and abroad, they never achieved the quality/demand/supply/pricing ratio that they could have.

I am by no means advocating for you to participate with them or not, simply my opinion of how they got stuck in a Cog. Latour family should help, and as I mentioned in our previous communication the more recent vintages are outstanding but need time in bottle to reach their full drinking potential. Not sure that it helps but wanted to add on to Wes’s comments with a bit of my own.

Good luck to you as your business sounds amazing for wineries and alike to utilize.

[William_Gladstone]

My two cents is due to poor marketing. As Wes said the vineyard is outstanding with incredible history- no different than the other top ‘Napa First Growths’ but due to poor MARCOMM, domestic and abroad, they never achieved the quality/demand/supply/pricing ratio that they could have.

I am by no means advocating for you to participate with them or not, simply my opinion of how they got stuck in a Cog. Latour family should help, and as I mentioned in our previous communication the more recent vintages are outstanding but need time in bottle to reach their full drinking potential. Not sure that it helps but wanted to add on to Wes’s comments with a bit of my own.

Good luck to you as your business sounds amazing for wineries and alike to utilize.

thanks, I appreciate all of your help and kind words
seems like I’m making more mistakes this week than good moves or choices…
We have over 250 three packs and the nibbles from our clients are indicative of your comments…

[Wes_Barton]

There’s a surplus of high-end Napa Cabs right now, making it very competitive, with some producers holding a lot of wine out of the market to keep the prices up.

We’ve seen other quality historic producers get sort of forgotten about, while all the next best things grab all the attention. That can turn around. In my neck of the woods we saw that with Ridge and Mount Eden. Back in favor, the artificially low prices have corrected.

What you have will hold its value, even if its slow to move.

[William_Gladstone]

There’s a surplus of high-end Napa Cabs right now, making it very competitive, with some producers holding a lot of wine out of the market to keep the prices up.

We’ve seen other quality historic producers get sort of forgotten about, while all the next best things grab all the attention. That can turn around. In my neck of the woods we saw that with Ridge and Mount Eden. Back in favor, the artificially low prices have corrected.

What you have will hold its value, even if its slow to move.

I believe your point is accurate - however, most everyone with our business model, trading co’s, brokers, wholesalers or retailers do not want to hold large parcels that are picked up for one purpose and that is to flips. Unlike a winery , some of which do not mind holding stock (many do not want to hold inventory - which is how we have some jobs) we absolutely are not set up to hold the size parcels we are offered to move.
We purchase Classified Bordeaux, it is part of the flow that some wines sit. Fine Burg’s we all look at differently, but in these instances you are speaking about 2, 3, 5, 10 or so cases.
The jobs we take on to flip are 100 cases or more, so no, we have no interest to hold that investment.

[Max_S1]

There’s a bottle of 2005 for $275 at one of my local markets.
I remember the 1997 and 2001 and scores aside, preferred the 97.
I also used to get the late 90s and early 00s for $140/bottle at a local restaurant. I don’t think they knew what it was worth but I’m pretty sure I cleaned them out over time. Most restaurants were selling it for the mid $200s around then, and it was well under $200 at retail.

Alex, I was just gifted a 1997 - is this something I want to drink now or can I/should I hold for some time?

[David_K_o_l_i_n]

There’s a bottle of 2005 for $275 at one of my local markets.
I remember the 1997 and 2001 and scores aside, preferred the 97.
I also used to get the late 90s and early 00s for $140/bottle at a local restaurant. I don’t think they knew what it was worth but I’m pretty sure I cleaned them out over time. Most restaurants were selling it for the mid $200s around then, and it was well under $200 at retail.

Alex, I was just gifted a 1997 - is this something I want to drink now or can I/should I hold for some time?

I’m not Alex, but drink it. It’s an awesome bottle

[J_a_y_H_a_c_k]

There’s a bottle of 2005 for $275 at one of my local markets.
I remember the 1997 and 2001 and scores aside, preferred the 97.
I also used to get the late 90s and early 00s for $140/bottle at a local restaurant. I don’t think they knew what it was worth but I’m pretty sure I cleaned them out over time. Most restaurants were selling it for the mid $200s around then, and it was well under $200 at retail.

Alex, I was just gifted a 1997 - is this something I want to drink now or can I/should I hold for some time?

I bought a case of 1998, a bad year in Napa, but a wine I had had before and enjoyed. It is excellent and I am rapidly making my way through the case, so I think you should drink up.