Here's a can of worms: Show me a really strong Napa QPR.

[rich_g_r_a_h_a_m]

Certainly, the Hardin and a few others seem compelling, but for the most part I am underwhelmed.

[Barry_Sunderland]

@craig vanderah

I do really like the 07 Chapellet MT Cuvee which can be had for around $20. That said, there isn’t a lot of value in the 95pt+ Napa Cabs that sell for 2-4 times as much as an equivalent BDX. Just had a terrific '04 Brane Cantenac Margaux that I paid $38 for.

Agree on the Chapellet, year in year out…

[mike_pobega]

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[Nate_Simon]

Smith Madrone at $20 is a real QPR in my book…real site-specific character. Needs time, though.

[Marc_Frontario]

Not sure the year but Venge’s Scout’s Honor at $35 is scary good! It’s a blend of Zin, petite sirah,carbono etc. Blows the Prisoner away JMHO

2007 caravan by darioush $29
2005 Freemark Abbey cab $20

[Brian_Zamkotowicz]

How about all the Match Cabs that were just $30 if you bought 10?

[Humberto_Dorta]

Pobega must have had a stroke in forgetting to mention The sisters. Please forgive him.
–Berto

[mike_pobega]

Humberto Dorta wrote:
Pobega must have had a stroke in forgetting to mention The sisters. Please forgive him.
–Berto

$50.

The original poster can’t wrap his head around the $20 deals, why put him into cardiac?
You and I know its well worth it…
Best $50 wine in NAPA PERIOD.
Need another thread for it though…

Not to mention there are still many out there who can’t correlate QPR with $50

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Brian Zamkotowicz

How about all the Match Cabs that were just $30 if you bought 10?

I’ll let you know when they get here once the weather cools down.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Sean Connor

2007 Prologue and 2007 Newton Cab around $20. Wicked pissa.

Serious wicked pissa. $16 a bottle at Costco. Got a case for daily drinking, and actually had a bottle on Saturday night with a domestic Wagyu strip and duck fat/Benton’s Bacon drippings roasted taters.

[Rich_Byrne]

I love the Rivers-Marie cabs too. They are terrific. The '04 was very reasonably priced considering the quality for $50.00. The waiting list for Rivers-Marie is 4,000 people however.

[rich_g_r_a_h_a_m]

Whatever

[mike_pobega]

@rich g r a h a m

@mike pobega

The original poster can’t wrap his head around the $20 deals, why put him into cardiac?

The reason I can’t “wrap my head around them” is that most of them are mediocre and fairly generic. I can point to a $20 bordeaux, supertuscans, rhones, spanish and others that beat most of the wines mentioned for the most part as well as:

• Shafer 1.5
• Pride
• Plumpjack
• Hewitt
• etc.

I posted this thread to really see if I was missing something about Napa QPR following a lot of my $70-100 cellar wines heavily disappointing. Apparently, I am not b/c some of the QPR wines mentioned by you and others are sub-90 point wines IMHO and few original ideas that I don’t know or haven’t had have been mentioned. Of course I could overrate generic tasting low complexity wines and give nearly all of them big scores, but then I would be you.

Notice the smiley much?

Thats not very nice now is it? I was just pointing out that there does seem to be some good values in Napa. You don’t need to bite my head off. Lighten up.

Ass.

Let me stop it there.

[Seo_S_a_l_i_m_i]

@Nate Simon

Smith Madrone at $20 is a real QPR in my book…real site-specific character. Needs time, though.

+1, but where are you finding it for $20?? Usually see it at $40

[mike_pobega]

Hey Rich, Since you really don’t want recos, I deleted all my posts. I really do not want to waste my time responding to a troll.

Enjoy your night.

[G_D_y_e_r]

@mike pobega

The original poster can’t wrap his head around the $20 deals, why put him into cardiac?
You and I know its well worth it…
Best $50 wine in NAPA PERIOD.
Need another thread for it though…

Not to mention there are still many out there who can’t correlate QPR with $50

Such things as $50 QPRs exist, yes, but under a certain assumption. You must assume a logarithmic relationship between price and quality. If you expect a linear correlation, you will find that $50 wines simply aren’t twice as good as the best values at the $25 price point (especially if you allow for close outs & discounts). But once you accept marginal returns at higher price points, then there can be higher priced QPRs in the sense they outperform their peers at a given price point.

At $50, a real QPR would be something that blows one away, a complete wine with something really special. I’ve certainly had complete wines for significantly less than that, but maybe not with the full ‘wow’ factor. Napa might be able to achieve this, but their whole pricing structure from excessive investment in McChateaus to grape costs to marketing costs is out of whack. Only producers with significant economy of scale or declassified wines probably have a shot.

[rich_g_r_a_h_a_m]

@mike pobega

Hey Rich, Since you really don’t want recos, I deleted all my posts. I really do not want to waste my time responding to a troll.

Enjoy your night.

Honestly, I would want your input absent the snide comments or implying that I don’t understand $50 wine. I understand $50 mediocre Napa wine all too well and cook with it all too often. Thanks to the people who gave recommendations at all price points sans the QPR cheapskate sarcasm.