Juan Mercado stepping away from Realm - new Paso Grenache Venture

[Andrew_Ing]

In. Interested and curious.

[CKammerman]

on list. hope pricing lands in a zone i am comfortable with…

im thinking it’s a $150 bottle. id buy here. if it’s 160 or more im passing.

If its $150 that puts it higher than Saxum releases which are established and have best vineyard access… all depends if they can get Paderewski, G2, or similar fruit from top sites in the appellation

[seanr]

on list. hope pricing lands in a zone i am comfortable with…

im thinking it’s a $150 bottle. id buy here. if it’s 160 or more im passing.

If its $150 that puts it higher than Saxum releases which are established and have best vineyard access… all depends if they can get Paderewski, G2, or similar fruit from top sites in the appellation

Shadow Canyon, Paderewski and Fulldraw were mentioned in the podcast as sources.

[jeffruggels]

on list. hope pricing lands in a zone i am comfortable with…

im thinking it’s a $150 bottle. id buy here. if it’s 160 or more im passing.

Steve you could very well be correct, part of the reason i posted my thought. If it is i doubt i will be buying but we will see where it lands

[seanr]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

[JulianD]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

+1

would be very aggressive to be over $100 (let alone $150) for a first vintage considering some (almost all) of Paso’s best are all below that price point.

[Steve_Crawford]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

saxum’s eba stuff is obviously more. Law makes some more expensive stuff than 100 right?
andremily with their g2 if you factor in tax and shipping is like 125ish out the door iirc.

i guess if you set a hard line on paso this wine would be up there-meaning excluding alban nearby for price. i guess we’ll see what the production level is (i have no clue) and go from there.
but this isn’t a non-profit and im sure juan wants to make a grenache that rivals alban, andremily, and sqn.

im standing by my $150 guess and unfortunately my price guestimates (or SWAG if you know that acronym) are usually not wrong in the direction i hope they are.

[PatrickW]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

100% agree…even Andremily’s G2 was around $100.

[Alex_N]

Hoping it’s under $100 as well, but there’s Paso based Downstream who came out of the gates a few years ago at around $180 for a zin blend.

[Larry_Chmel]

Here’s hoping Paso doesn’t turn into Napa South.

[dougwilder]

Do you mean this?

[jeffruggels]

Do you mean this?

go ahead and drop now Doug

[dougwilder]

Do you mean this?

go ahead and drop now Doug

preliminary reviews and prices.

[jeffruggels]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

saxum’s eba stuff is obviously more. Law makes some more expensive stuff than 100 right?
andremily with their g2 if you factor in tax and shipping is like 125ish out the door iirc.

i guess if you set a hard line on paso this wine would be up there-meaning excluding alban nearby for price. i guess we’ll see what the production level is (i have no clue) and go from there.
but this isn’t a non-profit and im sure juan wants to make a grenache that rivals alban, andremily, and sqn.

im standing by my $150 guess and unfortunately my price guestimates (or SWAG if you know that acronym) are usually not wrong in the direction i hope they are.

based on a review i just read its $100

[Shay_A]

I think it’s hard to justify being over the 100$ threshold in Paso (for now). You have Saxum setting the bar for world class wine at 100$ and a number of consistent producers that stay right around there as well (e.g. Torrin, Turtle Rock, L’Aventure, etc…) Seems like it’s just Daou and Downstream that are above that limit I can quickly think of. I’m looking forward to trying it and seeing where pricing ends up.

saxum’s eba stuff is obviously more. Law makes some more expensive stuff than 100 right?
andremily with their g2 if you factor in tax and shipping is like 125ish out the door iirc.

i guess if you set a hard line on paso this wine would be up there-meaning excluding alban nearby for price. i guess we’ll see what the production level is (i have no clue) and go from there.
but this isn’t a non-profit and im sure juan wants to make a grenache that rivals alban, andremily, and sqn.

im standing by my $150 guess and unfortunately my price guestimates (or SWAG if you know that acronym) are usually not wrong in the direction i hope they are.

based on a review i just read its $100

Where was the review? I’ve been curious to read anything about this project.

[jeffruggels]

saxum’s eba stuff is obviously more. Law makes some more expensive stuff than 100 right?
andremily with their g2 if you factor in tax and shipping is like 125ish out the door iirc.

i guess if you set a hard line on paso this wine would be up there-meaning excluding alban nearby for price. i guess we’ll see what the production level is (i have no clue) and go from there.
but this isn’t a non-profit and im sure juan wants to make a grenache that rivals alban, andremily, and sqn.

im standing by my $150 guess and unfortunately my price guestimates (or SWAG if you know that acronym) are usually not wrong in the direction i hope they are.

based on a review i just read its $100

Where was the review? I’ve been curious to read anything about this project.

Doug Wilder’s purely domestic wine report

[dougwilder]

based on a review i just read its $100

Where was the review? I’ve been curious to read anything about this project.

Doug Wilder’s purely domestic wine report

Thank you for the mention, Jeff. The notes on Riise are from a tasting I did with Juan in Napa at his house last month. There will be a followup when the Reserve is ready. TBD.

[Tyler_F]

Anyone heard anything recently? Beyond the initial ‘thank you’ reply to signing up, haven’t seen any additional communication.

[Steve_Crawford]

Anyone heard anything recently? Beyond the initial ‘thank you’ reply to signing up, haven’t seen any additional communication.

same. id assume shipping of the wine wouldn’t be till the fall anyway so i guess theoretically they could do an actual release sometime between now and sept.

[dougwilder]

Anyone heard anything recently? Beyond the initial ‘thank you’ reply to signing up, haven’t seen any additional communication.

same. id assume shipping of the wine wouldn’t be till the fall anyway so i guess theoretically they could do an actual release sometime between now and sept.

When I tasted with Juan in March, the bottles were all shiners and he mentioned we would taste the reserve later.