The Ultimate Backfill Thread

[maureen_nelson]

Those of you interested in backfilling 2001 German riesling should also consider 2004, 2008, and 2012 German riesling (and maybe 2002, 2005, 2007 and 2009).

Second on 2012, my favorite post-2001 vintage.

Truth. Have some 2007 (the JJ Prum WS Auslese is awesome) and 2012.

Would you say the same vintages for the dry or GG rieslings? I have only had ones from 2010, 2015 and 2016.

You were probably putting that question to David but my answer is I don’t know as I don’t drink that drek!

[Howard_Cooper]

The only wines I’m really looking to backfill at this time are German riesling. Particularly looking at the 2001 vintage.

Prum made great 2005s - saw elsewhere that you bought their 2001s.

[Howard_Cooper]

Second on 2012, my favorite post-2001 vintage.

Has their been a bad vintage of Mosel Riesling from 2001 on? I can’t think of one. Some are better than others, but none are worthy of the dustbin. A winemaker would have to drop a clanger to produce a bad wine over the last 18 or so years.

From my understanding 2003 was an odd vintage, though only having tried JJ Prum from that year at the estate. Certainly has developed some interesting secondary characteristics.

If you are buying higher end pradikats (Auslese and above), look for 2010s. Taste almost like Eiswein. My favorites have been Schloss Lieser, Reinhold Haart and Zilliken.

[Brian_S_t_o_t_t_e_r]

Has their been a bad vintage of Mosel Riesling from 2001 on? I can’t think of one. Some are better than others, but none are worthy of the dustbin. A winemaker would have to drop a clanger to produce a bad wine over the last 18 or so years.

From my understanding 2003 was an odd vintage, though only having tried JJ Prum from that year at the estate. Certainly has developed some interesting secondary characteristics.

If you are buying higher end pradikats (Auslese and above), look for 2010s. Taste almost like Eiswein. My favorites have been Schloss Lieser, Reinhold Haart and Zilliken.

I visited all 3 estates in April 2017. Reinhold Haart was probably my favorite of the three for their auslesen (though a 1988 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Eiswein blew my mind). I have one bottle of 2010 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Auslese Goldkapsel, may need to rectify this.

[Howard_Cooper]

If I see decent prices on 99, 01, or 02 reds, I backfill…

The 1999s I have had recently are fabulous. They are just beginning to get to a great place.

[Robert_Grenley]

If I see decent prices on 99, 01, or 02 reds, I backfill…

The 1999s I have had recently are fabulous. They are just beginning to get to a great place.

That has been my experience as well…drinking well and seemingly can improve and maintain their vibrancy for a long time. When I see them at a fair price, I do not hesitate.

[Jayson_Cohen]

I’ve been a hold out on opening ‘99 red Burgs but expect that to end soon.

You can get decent pricing now on the wines people don’t know much about while well-known wines in ‘99 are not cheap (or affordable for me).

One I’m looking forward to that was a backfill last year for $35 hammer at WineBid is Francois Jobard Blagny La Piece Sous Le Bois, now extinct. They sometimes pop up for a steal at auction. The 2005 was only $30. Not fancy but I like.

[Ramon_C]

Francois Jobard Blagny La Piece Sous Le Bois, now extinct. They sometimes pop up for a steal at auction. The 2005 was only $30. Not fancy but I like.

Extinct? As in, they stopped making them?

Love these wines, all vintages that I’ve had. 2005 was the last I drank and @ $30+vig is darn good price.

[Jayson_Cohen]

Francois Jobard Blagny La Piece Sous Le Bois, now extinct. They sometimes pop up for a steal at auction. The 2005 was only $30. Not fancy but I like.

Extinct? As in, they stopped making them?

Love these wines, all vintages that I’ve had. 2005 was the last I drank and @ $30+vig is darn good price.

They decided to rip up the Pinot vines and plant Chardonnay, which I believe is labeled as Meursault Blagny. I don’t recall the last vintage of the Blagny Rouge.

I have a couple of each vintage so happy to open the ‘99 with you while I let the ‘05 age.

[M.Kaplan]

Over the past few years, I purchased all available bottles in the US of 2001 and 2004 Charvin CdP. 30 and 25 bottles, respectively.

[Dav3_Dyr0ff]

Over the past few years, I purchased all available bottles in the US of 2001 and 2004 Charvin CdP. 30 and 25 bottles, respectively.

So now I know why as I was backfilling Charvin, the oldest I could obtain at a reasonable price was the 2006…

[Neal.Mollen]

500 respondents will give you 500 different answers.

+1

[Jonathan_Loesberg]

Over the past few years, I purchased all available bottles in the US of 2001 and 2004 Charvin CdP. 30 and 25 bottles, respectively.

So now I know why as I was backfilling Charvin, the oldest I could obtain at a reasonable price was the 2006…

A quick look at winesearcher shows 05s and 00s to be had. You can also get the 15 in numbers of places for $45, which is not a price you will see again, I think.

[Dav3_Dyr0ff]

Got some '15 on the last day of the Flick progressive sale (in addition to what I’d previously bought at regular price). Maybe $36 or something like that - I was very pleased. Picked up enough of the vintages I did get that I’m good even without the older stuff. I have to keep reminding myself that I’m out of space…

[Markus_S]

“Fall off” or stay-on the front page??

[Howard_Cooper]

If I see decent prices on 99, 01, or 02 reds, I backfill…

The 1999s I have had recently are fabulous. They are just beginning to get to a great place.

That has been my experience as well…drinking well and seemingly can improve and maintain their vibrancy for a long time. When I see them at a fair price, I do not hesitate.

Have not really seen any 1999s in a while.

[Howard_Cooper]

Second on 2012, my favorite post-2001 vintage.

Has their been a bad vintage of Mosel Riesling from 2001 on? I can’t think of one. Some are better than others, but none are worthy of the dustbin. A winemaker would have to drop a clanger to produce a bad wine over the last 18 or so years.

From my understanding 2003 was an odd vintage, though only having tried JJ Prum from that year at the estate. Certainly has developed some interesting secondary characteristics.

The best 2003s I have had have come from the Saar in general and Zilliken in specific. Higher acidity.

[Kelly_Walker]

Other than bubbles I am in complete backfill mode. Yes there are a few lists I still subscribe to but otherwise pure euro. Scored some ‘82 Dunn…epiphany wine. Mostly pre-2011 burgs now. Sake is not a backfill but love them. Once you have more wine then you can drink in your lifetime, backfilling is a nice way to round things out for your remaining drinking years.

[R_Frankel]

I’ve been a hold out on opening ‘99 red Burgs but expect that to end soon.

You can get decent pricing now on the wines people don’t know much about while well-known wines in ‘99 are not cheap (or affordable for me).

One I’m looking forward to that was a backfill last year for $35 hammer at WineBid is Francois Jobard Blagny La Piece Sous Le Bois, now extinct. They sometimes pop up for a steal at auction. The 2005 was only $30. Not fancy but I like.

I too am backfilling (mostly red) burgs. Prices are mostly stupid but there are occasional deals to be had. 1997-2009 (Except 2003/2004) is where I’m looking. I’d love to buy 1989/90/91/93/96 and older but prices have put these mostly out of reach. Plus 1985/89/90/95/96 Bordeaux, Barolo/Barbaresco, and other oddments as they arise. In other words, the same stuff everyone else is looking for.

[Lee_Short]

I too am backfilling (mostly red) burgs. Prices are mostly stupid but there are occasional deals to be had. 1997-2009 (Except 2003/2004) is where I’m looking. I’d love to buy 1989/90/91/93/96 and older but prices have put these mostly out of reach.

My experience has been that 89/91/93/95/96 burgs have been pretty affordable to backfill, if you’re not looking for name villages or famous producers. But the wines aren’t easy to find.