TN: 2005 Overnoy Arbois-Pupillin

[Tom_G_l_a_s_g_o_w]

If you ask me, Lucien Aviet is THE grandmaster of Trousseau. In my world, only Puffeney’s Berangeres was as good, often even better.
Another producer that doesn’t really get a lot of press, but, while perhaps not quite on the same level, makes very fine, old-school Trousseau is Daniel Dugois. Michel Gahier is up there as well (some great vineyards).
Jura is just overrun with hipsters these days. Personally, I have little time for those. Luckily, a handful of wonderful, traditional producers remain unperturbed .

Doesn’t seem like Aviet is imported to the USA anymore.

[LasseK1]

Probably a minority opinion these days, but I have relatively little time for Ganevat myself. The hype just beggars belief. I have always found the reds to be almost without exception unremarkable. Some of his celebrated whites can be very, very good, but, from where I stand, even the best are not really the life-changing experiences that many make them out to be. Labet… well, I’ll just say I really miss the wines made by the previous generation. I guess the jury is still out on how Labet’s and Ganevat’s whites from the last ten years will perform in the cellar. Nonetheless… me, I’ll take Montbourgeau over those any day of the week.

I had Ganevat’s Les Chalasses Marnes Bleues 2011 a month ago. Absolutely amazing and still young enough to go 5+ years.

Now I don’t think all wine have to last a lifetime in the cellar. When i buy Labet, i will drink most of it 3-6 years after release. Actually most of the Jura i buy is in that drinking window.

But maybe i am just a hipster

[Tvrtko_C]

I had Ganevat’s Les Chalasses Marnes Bleues 2011 a month ago. Absolutely amazing and still young enough to go 5+ years.

Now I don’t think all wine have to last a lifetime in the cellar. When i buy Labet, i will drink most of it 3-6 years after release. Actually most of the Jura i buy is in that drinking window.

But maybe i am just a hipster

Possibly, who knows

[Ramon_C]

…Ganevat can hit the same heights as Overnoy imo.

Not with poulsard, imo. Ganevat does superbly with whites, the red a bit less.

Totally agree. I’m not so enamored with Ganevat’s reds and I’ve preferred other producers, for example, the old Jacques Puffeney reds, to Ganevat’s. None holds a candle to the Overnoy-Houillon Poulsard.

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

[LasseK1]

Not with poulsard, imo. Ganevat does superbly with whites, the red a bit less.

Totally agree. I’m not so enamored with Ganevat’s reds and I’ve preferred other producers, for example, the old Jacques Puffeney reds, to Ganevat’s. None holds a candle to the Overnoy-Houillon Poulsard.

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

Have you tasted Ganevat’s Les Vignes de Mon Pere? For me that was a better experience than the two times i’ve tasted Overnoy. That said maybe Overnoy would do as well or better with even more age.

[Jim_Hanlon]

Totally agree. I’m not so enamored with Ganevat’s reds and I’ve preferred other producers, for example, the old Jacques Puffeney reds, to Ganevat’s. None holds a candle to the Overnoy-Houillon Poulsard.

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

Have you tasted Ganevat’s Les Vignes de Mon Pere? For me that was a better experience than the two times i’ve tasted Overnoy. That said maybe Overnoy would do as well or better with even more age.

Les Vignes de Mon Pere is an excellent wine, and on the same qualitative level as Overnoy/Houillon Savagnin. I also like many of Ganevat’s other whites, but they’re stylistically different from Overnoy/Houillon. To me, the Ganevat are more polished. I don’t mean that as a negative.

[Jim_Hanlon]

If you ask me, Lucien Aviet is THE grandmaster of Trousseau. In my world, only Puffeney’s Berangeres was as good, often even better.
Another producer that doesn’t really get a lot of press, but, while perhaps not quite on the same level, makes very fine, old-school Trousseau is Daniel Dugois. Michel Gahier is up there as well (some great vineyards).
Jura is just overrun with hipsters these days. Personally, I have little time for those. Luckily, a handful of wonderful, traditional producers remain unperturbed .

Doesn’t seem like Aviet is imported to the USA anymore.

They do come in, in small quantities. Flatiron has had some.

[Jim_Hanlon]

If you ask me, Lucien Aviet is THE grandmaster of Trousseau. In my world, only Puffeney’s Berangeres was as good, often even better.
Another producer that doesn’t really get a lot of press, but, while perhaps not quite on the same level, makes very fine, old-school Trousseau is Daniel Dugois. Michel Gahier is up there as well (some great vineyards).
Jura is just overrun with hipsters these days. Personally, I have little time for those. Luckily, a handful of wonderful, traditional producers remain unperturbed .

The Trousseau was my favorite Puffeney wine, followed closely by the Poulsard M. I agree that Aviet is in the same idiom. Gahier is close by Puffeney, but makes the wines in a little lighter, earlier style from what I’ve tasted. I like them very much. I also recommend Joseph Dorbon, who is stylistically in the same vein as Puffeney was.

[Ramon_C]

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

Have you tasted Ganevat’s Les Vignes de Mon Pere? For me that was a better experience than the two times i’ve tasted Overnoy. That said maybe Overnoy would do as well or better with even more age.

Les Vignes de Mon Pere is an excellent wine, and on the same qualitative level as Overnoy/Houillon Savagnin. I also like many of Ganevat’s other whites, but they’re stylistically different from Overnoy/Houillon. To me, the Ganevat are more polished. I don’t mean that as a negative.

I admit limited Ganevat sample size here and the only Ganevat Vin de Mon Pere I had was when it was offered at local restaurant Racines from at least a decade ago and I recall mixed reactions from my 3 co-diners ranging from mentioning words like quirky and it’s fine, but next time let’s just go for an aged Baudry white in the list.

Overnoy-Houillon’s Savagnin could be so smooth-mannered, and I mean that in a positive way, starting with the 2009 that I last opened less than 2 years ago. O-H’s 2003, 2004, 2005 (all were, I believe, Vieux Savagnin Ouille) were more on the angular side when I had about 7 years ago and I recall some measure of harshness and wildness with those. But his 2000, 2007 and 2009 were so rounded and smooth that I can’t recall any other same level Jura white that I had that I could’ve compared them to.

I confess that I’m partial to O-H’s savagnin over chardonnay (or mix of both).

[Ramon_C]

Btw, I don’t believe any has mention Domaine St. Pierre here.

I’ve been continuously impressed with wines, both reds and whites, made by this producer.

[LasseK1]

Btw, I don’t believe any has mention Domaine St. Pierre here.

I’ve been continuously impressed with wines, both reds and whites, made by this producer.

Only heard very good things about Domaine St. Pierre. They are certainly on my radar.

[Tom_G_l_a_s_g_o_w]

If you ask me, Lucien Aviet is THE grandmaster of Trousseau. In my world, only Puffeney’s Berangeres was as good, often even better.
Another producer that doesn’t really get a lot of press, but, while perhaps not quite on the same level, makes very fine, old-school Trousseau is Daniel Dugois. Michel Gahier is up there as well (some great vineyards).
Jura is just overrun with hipsters these days. Personally, I have little time for those. Luckily, a handful of wonderful, traditional producers remain unperturbed .

Doesn’t seem like Aviet is imported to the USA anymore.

They do come in, in small quantities. Flatiron has had some.

I saw that but presumed it was older in stock inventory.

[William_Kelley]

I would say it’s worth it, especially if you haven’t had it before.

Really?? I’ve had a lot of it, have tasted at the domaine, and have bottles back to 1975 in my cellar; but (especially for the red) I can’t possibly imagine paying the better part of 500 USD for a bottle of Overnoy. Or, frankly, any other wine from the Jura with the exception of 2003 or 2005 Vignes de Mon Père.

[William_Kelley]

Not with poulsard, imo. Ganevat does superbly with whites, the red a bit less.

Totally agree. I’m not so enamored with Ganevat’s reds and I’ve preferred other producers, for example, the old Jacques Puffeney reds, to Ganevat’s. None holds a candle to the Overnoy-Houillon Poulsard.

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

Couldn’t disagree with you more strongly.

[William_Kelley]

I’ve had pretty good luck with Ganevat, Puffeney and Tissot but my experience in the region is appreciably less than nearby Burgundy. A Parisian shop owner suggested trying the wines of Lucien Aviet & Fils. I need to dig out the lone bottle of Trousseau and give it a shot. Vine Trail | Lucien Aviet & Fils

RT

The Aviet wines are nice, and quite consistent. They do some sur voile Savingnin bottlings that are de facto vin jaune but more drinkable, plus melon de que rouge, and bright, pretty reds - though my mileage has varied when aging the latter, 2009 for example being a bit flat and boring these days.

[Ramon_C]

Neither does Ganevat’s whites, only 3 different ones I’ve had, holds a candle to Overnoy-Houillon’s that I’ve had.

Couldn’t disagree with you more strongly.

I did caveat that I’ve only had 3 bottles of Ganevat (versus many more from O-H), and so you can also say that my view is skewed and quite prejudiced.

[Tvrtko_C]

I would say it’s worth it, especially if you haven’t had it before.

Really?? I’ve had a lot of it, have tasted at the domaine, and have bottles back to 1975 in my cellar; but (especially for the red) I can’t possibly imagine paying the better part of 500 USD for a bottle of Overnoy. Or, frankly, any other wine from the Jura with the exception of 2003 or 2005 Vignes de Mon Père.

This is all very subjective, I suppose, but there was a time I was buying, drinking, stashing away bottles of Overnoy, both red and white, and the price range was consistently 25-35 EUR. Of course, I couldn’t get hundreds of bottles, but a case or two was never really a problem where I was buying. Even as little as ten years ago, nobody, or at least a very limited number of people, really seemed THAT interested . I like the wines a lot, obviously… but suddenly having to pay fifteen times as much as I used to? Frankly, I’m not sure I like ANY wine THAT much . And then there’s Edmond Vatan, more or less the same kind of development, as far as I can tell, at least on this side of the pond. And Rougeard. Many others, too.

All very subjective, as I said. Are/were these wines unique, truly the best ever of their type etc.? Yes, kind of. All this mythologizing that is so typical in the context of wine people often happens for a reason. Yet, and with me this really mostly depends on the weather , sometimes I catch myself thinking: maybe I’m just fortunate in that I somehow seem to stumble into lots of wines that, at least to me, genuinely seem quite “unique”… I honestly can’t say I value my Overnoy holdings more than my Puffeney or my Aviet holdings. At some level, ultimately, it’s all really just a matter of taste. It was Nietzsche, I think, who had a brilliant quip about that somewhere.

Incidentally, just the other day, I drank a recent vintage of Thomas-Labaille’s Aristide over lunch. I really hadn’t seen it coming. But, once it had opened up a little, I swear it tasted, no, it felt, a lot like Clos de la Neore, for some reason

[Tvrtko_C]

bright, pretty reds - though my mileage has varied when aging the latter, 2009 for example being a bit flat and boring these days.

Funny you should say that. My 2009 Rosiere are literally firing on all cylinders. Just goes to show…

[LasseK1]

I would say it’s worth it, especially if you haven’t had it before.

Really?? I’ve had a lot of it, have tasted at the domaine, and have bottles back to 1975 in my cellar; but (especially for the red) I can’t possibly imagine paying the better part of 500 USD for a bottle of Overnoy. Or, frankly, any other wine from the Jura with the exception of 2003 or 2005 Vignes de Mon Père.

Yes! The 2003 Vignes de Mon Père is the most magical white i have had. Just amazing.

[Otto_Forsberg]

I would say it’s worth it, especially if you haven’t had it before.

Really?? I’ve had a lot of it, have tasted at the domaine, and have bottles back to 1975 in my cellar; but (especially for the red) I can’t possibly imagine paying the better part of 500 USD for a bottle of Overnoy. Or, frankly, any other wine from the Jura with the exception of 2003 or 2005 Vignes de Mon Père.

Yes! The 2003 Vignes de Mon Père is the most magical white i have had. Just amazing.

Haven’t had the 2003 or 2005, but 2006 Vignes de Mon Père is still one of the most stunning whites I’ve ever tasted. An extraordinary wine by any standards.