What red and white Burgundies are currently in your cellar - by vintage

[Howard_Cooper]

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d’Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.

I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specific vintage.

The villages wine is worth what I paid for it right now IMHO.

[Greg_K]

Given that I paid about $50 for the CM and $80 for the Ruchottes (including shipping, etc. from Cote d’Or Imports), they were great buys for me and I am happy to try to age them both a few more years.

I hope you’re right for your sake; I’m pretty pessimistic. I think 15 in general was a very specific vintage.

The villages wine is worth what I paid for it right now IMHO.

Then I suspect you like Ramonet quite a bit more than I do And I like Ramonet!

[Subu_Ramachandran]

I’m with Greg on this. The only 2 bottles of 15 whites I got were Ramonet Saint Aubins! I avoided 15 whites in general, will be the same for 18s and 19s (both colors). Happy to pay up for better vintages.

[dbailey]

Top 10 reds:
14/14%
10/13%
09/12%
13/11%
05/11%
12/6%
11/4%
15/4%
02/4%
08/3%

Too 10 whites:
14/30%
13/12%
15/12%
17/11%
18/8%
12/7%
10/5%
16/4%
11/4%
9/3%

Burgundy is nearly 60% of my cellar. Delighted to see how long I went on 14 whites!

[Howard_Cooper]

Here’s my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%

I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.

[R_Frankel]

White is mostly very recent and is only about 5% of the cellar.
2014 - 44%
2017 - 24%
2013 - 13%

White Burg makes up about 15% of consumption in the last year since I buy a lot for very near term drinking.

Red Burg is about 30% of the cellar (but only 12% of last 12 month consumption). In my cellar quantity order:
2015
2013
2012
2014
2005
2010
2017
2009
2016
2006
2011
1999
2002
2001
2008
1998
2018

Skews young given that I didn’t really start collecting until the 2010/2011 vintages. So yea I’ve been backfilling. In the last year my purchasing was almost 50% pre-2010. This year my goal is more like 70% pre-2010. All the crazy sales on 16/17/18 that are coming in this year’s recession will test my resolve!

[Greg_K]

I’m with Greg on this. The only 2 bottles of 15 whites I got were Ramonet Saint Aubins! I avoided 15 whites in general, will be the same for 18s and 19s (both colors). Happy to pay up for better vintages.

I own more 2015s than that, but not by too much, and I focused very specifically on producers with leaner styles and higher elevation plots. No Meursault, either

[maureen_nelson]

Here’s my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%

I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.

And notice the complete absence of the 2001 vintage from this list - I know from reading him that M. Morris does not care for that vintage’s red burgs. Don’t understand why.

[Shan_A]

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn’t so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.

[Jay_Miller]

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn’t so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I’ve buried them on the assumption that they’re probably shut down. But that isn’t based on experience tasting any recently.

[Lonny_Isenberg]

Reds

2010 - 17%
2009 - 13%
2005 - 13%
2008 - 13%
2012 - 9%
2014 - 5%
2013 - 5%
2016 - 4%
2006 - 4%
Plus a few 2011’s, 2007’s, 2002’s, 2000’s and 1999’s.

[Shan_A]

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn’t so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I’ve buried them on the assumption that they’re probably shut down. But that isn’t based on experience tasting any recently.

I enjoyed the odd '09 I tasted at the Paulee verticals this year. Helped it was a $600 Drouhin Amoureuses. Has made me more curious on '09s.

[Ron_Erickson]

Reds
2005
2008
2015
2006
2010
2009
2016
2012

[Howard_Cooper]

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn’t so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I’ve buried them on the assumption that they’re probably shut down. But that isn’t based on experience tasting any recently.

My Burgundy group has started doing every fall a tasting based on the Burgundy vintage that is 10 years old. We do let people bring wines from 20, 30, etc., years if they want. The 2009s tasted pretty good, the 1999s tasted great. My plans for this year (I generally organize the tastings) was a 10 year anniversary of 2010s and a separate 2009 vs. 2010 shootout. We will see if that ever happens. I am currently thinking our first tasting back (whenever that is) should be of 1st Growths or Chambertin or something like that - with lots of Champagne.

[JasperMorris]

Here’s my Top 20 reds: not enough variation in the whites to be of interest. I have some 2016s still to come. Almost all wines are original purchases though I was able to backfill some 1993 and 1998 recently.

1 2005 14%
2 2010 11%
3 2015 11%
4 2009 9%
5 2008 7%
6 2011 6%
7 2012 5%
8 2014 5%
9 2007 5%
10 2006 4%
11 2002 3%
12 1996 3%
13= 2013 3%
13= 1999 3%
15 2016 3%
16 2004 2%
17 1997 1%
18 1993 1%
19 1990 1%
20 1998 1%

I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.

And notice the complete absence of the 2001 vintage from this list - I know from reading him that M. Morris does not care for that vintage’s red burgs. Don’t understand why.

Howard, the 2011/2012 differential is mostly explained by the fact that a vineyard in which I am a shareholder and from which I receive a dividend in wine was so hailed on in 2012-13-14 that i didn’t take my dividend, and I haven’t started drinking the 2011 yet. In fact I think I got an extra case or two to compensate for not having 12-13-14

Maureen: I don’t think that I have ever said anything negative about the wines in 2001, just that I have never got inside this vintage. The wines came through at quite a stressful time in my life and in fact I didn’t have the cash then to buy much. Very happy to drink them now but I don’t have many in my own cellar

[Barry_L_i_p_t_o_n]

Red burgundy
2012 0.9%
2011 0.2%
2010 3.0%
2009 15.7%
2008 6.0%
2007 4.0%
2006 2.1%
2005 23.0%
2004 5.3%
2002 10.9%
2001 12.1%
2000 0.6%
1999 7.0%
1998 3.0%
1996 2.1%
1995 0.2%
1993 1.7%
1989 0.4%
1986 0.4%
1969 0.2%
1962 0.2%

White (much fewer)

2014 5.5%
2012 14.5%
2011 9.1%
2010 5.5%
2009 1.8%
2008 3.6%
2007 5.5%
2005 1.8%
2004 16.4%
2003 3.6%
2002 21.8%
2000 7.3%
1999 1.8%

[Howard_Cooper]

I know there is some bias in all of this to producers we buy virtually every year, the fact that we tend to drink our older wines and hold our younger wines, etc., but the one that surprises me is you have more 2011s than 2012s and 2014s. I have found 2011 to be a very mixed vintages. Thought I would ask whether you see the vintage differently or whether there are other reasons for this. Thanks for any insight.

And notice the complete absence of the 2001 vintage from this list - I know from reading him that M. Morris does not care for that vintage’s red burgs. Don’t understand why.

Howard, the 2011/2012 differential is mostly explained by the fact that a vineyard in which I am a shareholder and from which I receive a dividend in wine was so hailed on in 2012-13-14 that i didn’t take my dividend, and I haven’t started drinking the 2011 yet. In fact I think I got an extra case or two to compensate for not having 12-13-14

Maureen: I don’t think that I have ever said anything negative about the wines in 2001, just that I have never got inside this vintage. The wines came through at quite a stressful time in my life and in fact I didn’t have the cash then to buy much. Very happy to drink them now but I don’t have many in my own cellar

Figured it must be producer oriented rather than vintage oriented.

[Jay_Miller]

What are thoughts on 2009 reds? I thought WB wasn’t so bulled up on '09s, but they have popped up a bunch of times here.

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I’ve buried them on the assumption that they’re probably shut down. But that isn’t based on experience tasting any recently.

My Burgundy group has started doing every fall a tasting based on the Burgundy vintage that is 10 years old. We do let people bring wines from 20, 30, etc., years if they want. The 2009s tasted pretty good, the 1999s tasted great. My plans for this year (I generally organize the tastings) was a 10 year anniversary of 2010s and a separate 2009 vs. 2010 shootout. We will see if that ever happens. I am currently thinking our first tasting back (whenever that is) should be of 1st Growths or Chambertin or something like that - with lots of Champagne.

Thanks Howard, that’s good to know. I was actually planning to open my first 1999 in about 15 years this month based on reports that they were starting to be ready. Of course the dinner where that was going to happen didn’t so it’s sitting in my wine fridge waiting patiently.

I’m currently stuck with about 75% of my wine on hand allocated for postponed (or probably postponed) events and wondering at what point I should give up and send it back to storage.

[Howard_Cooper]

I was not a fan when they were first released but they firmed up nicely after about a year. More recently I’ve buried them on the assumption that they’re probably shut down. But that isn’t based on experience tasting any recently.

My Burgundy group has started doing every fall a tasting based on the Burgundy vintage that is 10 years old. We do let people bring wines from 20, 30, etc., years if they want. The 2009s tasted pretty good, the 1999s tasted great. My plans for this year (I generally organize the tastings) was a 10 year anniversary of 2010s and a separate 2009 vs. 2010 shootout. We will see if that ever happens. I am currently thinking our first tasting back (whenever that is) should be of 1st Growths or Chambertin or something like that - with lots of Champagne.

Thanks Howard, that’s good to know. I was actually planning to open my first 1999 in about 15 years this month based on reports that they were starting to be ready. Of course the dinner where that was going to happen didn’t so it’s sitting in my wine fridge waiting patiently.

I’m currently stuck with about 75% of my wine on hand allocated for postponed (or probably postponed) events and wondering at what point I should give up and send it back to storage.

Yes.

As for the 1999s, there is no hurry. They are starting to drink really well right now but they are not going anywhere bad IMHO.

[Dale_Williams]

Reds
2005
2002
1999
2006 (surprised me)
2008

Whites 2010 is only vintage I have more than a case (13 bottles) recorded,although probably didn’t enter 2017 Chablis I plan on drinking young