Does anyone have experience with Domaine David Duband? I just had the 2021 Bourgogne at a restaurant in Rochester, MN. I had never heard of it but I really enjoyed the wine. The reviews that I can find are pretty lukewarm but he does have parcels in some GC vineyards. I would like to get further feedback before I jump in on his higher end stuff based on one glass, albeit a fantastic first experience.
i had a clos sorbe morey saint denis last fallā¦i believe 2019 so obviously young. it feltā¦fine? maybe hard to judge due to the youth but generally, these wines are discounted for a reason. theyre fine but certainly not the standard for the region.
Hi Ryan - I have some experience with Duband GC ( most recently with a Clos de la Roche). I know Duband is often aggressively touted as āvalueā Burgundy ā and I find the wines enjoyable but, at GC levels, not fully expressive of the specific traits and qualities of the best producers. I think youāve lucked out with a Bourgogne ; speaking for myself I would stick to Bourgogne and villages level wines with Duband and youāll get a decent bottle of burg for a reasonable price ā not the easiest feat these days. At higher levels I donāt really think youāre getting quite the bargain thatās often touted.
Ahh, David Duband. Some old timers will tell you he isnāt doing nearly as well with his best vineyards as did his predecessor, Jacky Truchot.
Jacky Truchotās wines were made in a decidedly older fashion, but had a brilliance about them. But they are definitely marmite wines, meaning you either love the style or hate it, there is little in between.
But at least Truchotās wines had character and distinctiveness. Iām told Dubandās wines have improved in recent years, and Iāll be honest that I havenāt had them recently. But those Iāve tried have been bland, having little to say about their site, or even their maker.
I guess this makes me an old-timer. For the record, @Jasper_Morris prefers Dubandās wines to Truchotās, and he knows 100x more about burgundy than I do.
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Duband wines are made in a more transparent style, less barrel and more brightness, the style of wines donāt show a ton of character in their youth, and no one knows how they will ageā¦
Also, the older style of wines he made were in his dads shadow, he had a pretty large shift in ā14/ā15/ā16ā¦
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Iāve enjoyed Dubandās entry level wines plenty. High drinkability, fresh and pretty transparent.
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I had a Nuits St. georgeās Le ProcĆØs 2010 last year which was surprisingly good. Very good value at a reasonable price (I paid 50 EUR).
Iāve had a few duband wines which have ranged from ho hum to superb. 11 Clos sorbe was actually one of the best 11s Iāve had, and it was like $40.
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David Duband got Jacky Truchotās vineyards in 2006. That is 18 years ago. Why wouldnāt anyone know how his wines age?
Iāve had plenty of Duband and Francois Feuillet wines from around 2009-2012 and they are aging beautifully. Highly perfumed, elegant and ethereal wines. Not forced in any way.
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Thatās an interesting perspective on Truchot that Iāve not heard anyone express before. Iāve had a fair amount of Truchotās wines and Iāve always found them somewhat old fashioned, earthy and rustic, but I donāt know anyone who hates the style. Iāve always thought Jouan approximates the style fairly well.
Personally, Iāve always found Dubandās wines extremely influenced by the oak regimen. Opinions differ, of course, but I wouldnāt use the word ātransparentā for the style.
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I went back and found my note on that 11 duband Clos sorbe, it was from 2017, and I did really like it.
I like Jouanās wines a lot, but if you have ever had one side-by-side with a Truchot wine, you would see that they are just not in the same class as what Jacky Truchot made.
I have had them side by side, yes.
Iām generally in the camp that I like Dubandās wines. What Iāve had from the past 5 - 7 vintages feels quite aligned with the fashionable post-modern ideas of burgundy: infusion rather than extraction, transparency (eg. lightness/elegance), and not much intrusive oak.
From what Iāve pieced together, initially when he started there was more use of heavy handed oak that was backed off shortly after, and that may have tainted some views.
I think many newer burgundy drinkers have little affection for this rustic style. I also know several experienced drinkers who just donāt get on with it. What I like about it versus some other old fashioned burgs is that the wines are generally friendly and approachable versus being tannic and challenging. I personally love this style, and sometimes enjoy it as more polished wines like DRC and Rousseau. Iām happy being in the minority there.
I agree with you that Jouan is made in a similar style though maybe more recent vintages are ācleaner.ā I also understand that you donāt mean Jouan and Truchot are exactly the same.
I thought I agreed with you on this, but I had a stunning 2009 Jouan CSD last week that is making me wonder.
I suspect that Jacky did better in challenging vintages than Henri. Dude practically lived in the vineyard, right?
Iām honestly not sure what you mean? Rousseau and DRC are made in very different styles and rustic wines arenāt especially divisive; while I may not love Chevillon, itās not an either or proposition. When I think of divisive styles in Burgundy, I think of Laurentās āmagic oakā circa 2000, Armand Heitzās unique views, Cossard, etc.
At any rate, weāve moved far afield from Duband.
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That is my understanding. Apparently, he was the first person out in the vineyards every morning.
Donāt get me wrong. I very much like Jouanās wines and I have a bunch of them. I am not at all criticizing him. For me, the comparison is like Jouan is Scotty Pippen and Truchot is MJ.