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#1 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 12:59 pm

I know this is a strange question - and yep, I know some hate the idea of 'snitches' - but what if you verbally communicate with another winery about following regulations and they continue to disregard them, perhaps putting your own business at risk?

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#2 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm

Forget about it. No good can come of it.
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#3 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:23 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 12:59 pm
I know this is a strange question - and yep, I know some hate the idea of 'snitches' - but what if you verbally communicate with another winery about following regulations and they continue to disregard them, perhaps putting your own business at risk?

Cheers.
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August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
Follow the law. Do the right thing for winemakers, consumers, and taxpayers alike, as opposed to just self-interest. Report bona fide evidence to proper regulators, and let them decide on the basis of due process.
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#4 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:24 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
Why? What would any law-abiding citizen or winemaker have to fear about the law?
Any examples? Thank you.
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#5 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 1:25 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
I am curious why you say this Please explain . . .
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#6 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
You sound as if knowledgeable via first-hand experience.
Did you report, or were you the subject of a report, on wine-related matters?
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#7 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:29 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:25 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
I am curious why you say this Please explain . . .
Explain more details of the infraction and I will explain my reasons (or perhaps change my mind!).
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#8 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:32 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
You sound as if knowledgeable via first-hand experience.
Did you report, or were you the subject of a report, on wine-related matters?
NO, NEVER.
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#9 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:32 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
You sound as if knowledgeable via first-hand experience.
Did you report, or were you the subject of a report, on wine-related matters?
NO, NEVER.
Then, how would you know that nothing constructive or positive could thereby result from a sincere report? Just a guess.
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#10 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm

This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
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#11 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:39 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:32 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:27 pm


You sound as if knowledgeable via first-hand experience.
Did you report, or were you the subject of a report, on wine-related matters?
NO, NEVER.
Then, how would you know that nothing constructive or positive could thereby result from a sincere report? Just a guess.
You know, Victor, you can be a real PITA.
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#12 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
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#13 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
Your report would be not an unfounded dig against a competitor, but a public-health concern which anybody can observe. A report may save innocent lives, including yours. I would support blowing a loud whistle. Be sure to take time-stamped pictures.
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#14 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm

Merrill,

You obviously disagree, but why do you take exception to Victor's question? I think it's a good one - he feels you are presupposing and outcome without really knowing it. In my case, all I want is this winery to do what they are supposed to do - what we are ALL supposed to do. I don't want 'punishment' at all . . .
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#15 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 1:44 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
We have different experiences. I would assume that if you are doing tastings, you and your employees are wearing masks when you are in front of customers, right? I would also assume that you would take issue if you went out to a restaurant and the servers and cooks were not wearing masks, right?
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#16 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:46 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:39 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:32 pm
NO, NEVER.
Then, how would you know that nothing constructive or positive could thereby result from a sincere report? Just a guess.
You know, Victor, you can be a real PITA.
Where would my logic or assumptions be wrong? Am I being negative or personalized?
I am only drawing logical inferences from your own affirmative statements. If you have no first-hand basis to make an apparently authoritative recommendation, you should have disclosed so.
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#17 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm

I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
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#18 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:50 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
Even if no tastings, workers and customers may be at risk.

Incremental illnesses and deaths may make business and life even tougher. Sometimes, making an extra dollar is not worthwhile.......at least, for some winemakers like Larry. Others like you might feel differently.
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#19 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 1:56 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:39 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:32 pm
NO, NEVER.
Then, how would you know that nothing constructive or positive could thereby result from a sincere report? Just a guess.
You know, Victor, you can be a real PITA.
Your characterization of me is true, but your statements did not answer OUR questions.
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#20 Post by Paul Luckin » August 2nd, 2020, 1:57 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
if a winery has an owner and employees who purposely don't wear masks, it hurts everyone else in a couple of ways:

- optics: regionally, and as an industry, not taking the most basic precautions with guests paints everyone in a bad light. we need to be united and on the same page when it comes to the health and safety of our guests, staff, and community at large. if everyone "plays by the rules" we lessen the chance of negative outcomes via infection and send a message of responsibility.

- safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it's selfish.
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#21 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 2:00 pm

I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.
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#22 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 2:01 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:00 pm
I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.


OK, I am stupider and wronger than usual. To make up for my jumping to logical conclusions, how about if Larry and I drop over tonight for a very cozy, make-amends dinner. I can bring over some noodles and dumplings.

No masks, of course. Nobody will blow the whistle on us three.
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#23 Post by Wes Barton » August 2nd, 2020, 2:02 pm

That's a serious problem. You clearly just want them to comply, not get shut down and not start a feud, create a public spectacle or trigger an over-reaction by bureaucrats that would hurt other wineries. Is there an authority you can trust to take the right measured action - a warning they'll take seriously?
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#24 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 2:03 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about 'morals' perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they're not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won't stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

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#25 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 2:04 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:00 pm
I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.
If strangers were more respectful of relationships, this pandemic would stop. Right, Merrill?
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#26 Post by Wes Barton » August 2nd, 2020, 2:07 pm

Paul Luckin wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:57 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
if a winery has an owner and employees who purposely don't wear masks, it hurts everyone else in a couple of ways:

- optics: regionally, and as an industry, not taking the most basic precautions with guests paints everyone in a bad light. we need to be united and on the same page when it comes to the health and safety of our guests, staff, and community at large. if everyone "plays by the rules" we lessen the chance of negative outcomes via infection and send a message of responsibility.

- safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it's selfish.
Worst case is this winery becomes the credited source of an outbreak that becomes a big news story, causing the state to shut down tasting rooms state-wide. Selfish, reckless, egregious.
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#27 Post by Merrill Lindquist » August 2nd, 2020, 2:08 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:03 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about 'morals' perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they're not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won't stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

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#28 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 2:10 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
What if Larry is also a customer, not just a competitor?
How would your logic process that?
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#29 Post by Paul Luckin » August 2nd, 2020, 2:12 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:00 pm
I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.

winemaking, production, vineyard crews, hospitality, sales, marketing, transportation, etc: it's all intertwined. we need to be undivided in the message of health and safety.
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#30 Post by Paul Luckin » August 2nd, 2020, 2:13 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:07 pm
Paul Luckin wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:57 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
if a winery has an owner and employees who purposely don't wear masks, it hurts everyone else in a couple of ways:

- optics: regionally, and as an industry, not taking the most basic precautions with guests paints everyone in a bad light. we need to be united and on the same page when it comes to the health and safety of our guests, staff, and community at large. if everyone "plays by the rules" we lessen the chance of negative outcomes via infection and send a message of responsibility.

- safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it's selfish.
Worst case is this winery becomes the credited source of an outbreak that becomes a big news story, causing the state to shut down tasting rooms state-wide. Selfish, reckless, egregious.
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#31 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 2:15 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:08 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 2:03 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:48 pm
I'm not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.
Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about 'morals' perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they're not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won't stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

Cheers.
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#32 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 2:53 pm

This debate has been like shooting fish in a sous vide bag.
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#33 Post by Andy Steinman » August 2nd, 2020, 2:57 pm

An alternate suggestion:

Reach out to your AVA Association and have your Executive Director contact the offending winery to politely remind them of the rules.

We are doing this as much as possible within the Willamette Valley.

This is also an issue with Social Media posts. An innocent photo at a winery posted on Facebook or Instagram with C-19 rules being ignored is an invitation to unwanted scrutiny.

To Paul's point above, everyone is in this together and if there is a winery related outbreak it would reflect poorly on the entire industry.
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#34 Post by M!ke S. » August 2nd, 2020, 3:00 pm

I wouldn't do that either.
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#35 Post by Scott Watkins » August 2nd, 2020, 3:45 pm

I guess I'm simple minded, why post about it and not just report them to the authorities? Let them investigate. I think it would be the right thing to do in these times.
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#36 Post by Andy Steinman » August 2nd, 2020, 3:49 pm

M!ke S. wrote:
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I wouldn't do that either.
Why?

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#37 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » August 2nd, 2020, 4:04 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:29 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:25 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
I am curious why you say this Please explain . . .
Explain more details of the infraction and I will explain my reasons (or perhaps change my mind!).
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#38 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 4:12 pm

Wine theft? Arson? Murder (by virus)?
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#39 Post by Dan Hammer » August 2nd, 2020, 4:13 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
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larry schaffer wrote:
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This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
Just a wild guess and I'll say this is happening in and around his tasting room.
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#40 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » August 2nd, 2020, 4:17 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 4:12 pm
Murder (by virus)?
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#41 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 4:35 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:42 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:36 pm
This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an 'occasional' thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .
In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.
I will not object to your self-characterization. See, I am not always a PITA (although, why I resemble flatbread is odd).

The 2020 factual experience of almost 155,000 other Americans might trump your inexperienced opinion. By your opinion that they hurt only themselves, that would constitute quite a suicide epidemic.
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#42 Post by larry schaffer » August 2nd, 2020, 5:16 pm

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I guess I'm simple minded, why post about it and not just report them to the authorities? Let them investigate. I think it would be the right thing to do in these times.
Everyone presupposes that I have not already reported them, which I have. Was just looking for how others would handle. And much to the chagrine of Merrill, I am open to and do listen to other opinions . . .

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#43 Post by Bdklein » August 2nd, 2020, 5:24 pm

If it was because I was impacted financially short-term, I probably wouldn't say anything .

If the concern was the safety of me and my employees, or i was concerned that all wineries in my area would be shut down (resulting in a longer term financial impact ) I would say something .
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#44 Post by Corey N. » August 2nd, 2020, 5:35 pm

I'm with Corey on this. - Todd W.

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#45 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » August 2nd, 2020, 6:42 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:29 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:25 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 1:17 pm
Forget about it. No good can come of it.
I am curious why you say this Please explain . . .
Explain more details of the infraction and I will explain my reasons (or perhaps change my mind!).
Form conclusion, start fact finding? I hope you never make detective.

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#46 Post by Victor Hong » August 2nd, 2020, 6:59 pm

Not even a larceny detective?
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#47 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » August 2nd, 2020, 7:09 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 6:59 pm
Not even a larceny detective?
Maybe long term, unauthorized borrowing?
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#48 Post by timmy roos » August 3rd, 2020, 5:28 am

I don’t think i would report anything to authorities. If I knew the egregious party well enough I would talk to them
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#49 Post by Victor Hong » August 3rd, 2020, 8:12 am

timmy roos wrote:
August 3rd, 2020, 5:28 am
I don’t think i would report anything to authorities. If I knew the egregious party well enough I would talk to them
In person, so that nothing possibly leaks to authorities? The more egregious the party, the more private the discussion?

Do you apply this duty-of-care standard to just winemakers? How about doctors, pilots, and bus drivers?
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#50 Post by timmy roos » August 3rd, 2020, 8:23 am

Yes
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