Ever Have To File A Complaint About Another Winery?

[Merrill_Lindquist]

I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.

[Victor_Hong]

I’m not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.

I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.

OK, I am stupider and wronger than usual. To make up for my jumping to logical conclusions, how about if Larry and I drop over tonight for a very cozy, make-amends dinner. I can bring over some noodles and dumplings.

No masks, of course. Nobody will blow the whistle on us three.

[Wes_Barton]

That’s a serious problem. You clearly just want them to comply, not get shut down and not start a feud, create a public spectacle or trigger an over-reaction by bureaucrats that would hurt other wineries. Is there an authority you can trust to take the right measured action - a warning they’ll take seriously?

[larry_schaffer]

I’m not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.

Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about ‘morals’ perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they’re not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won’t stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

Cheers.

[Victor_Hong]

I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.

If strangers were more respectful of relationships, this pandemic would stop. Right, Merrill?

[Wes_Barton]

This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an ‘occasional’ thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .

In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.

if a winery has an owner and employees who purposely don’t wear masks, it hurts everyone else in a couple of ways:

• optics: regionally, and as an industry, not taking the most basic precautions with guests paints everyone in a bad light. we need to be united and on the same page when it comes to the health and safety of our guests, staff, and community at large. if everyone “plays by the rules” we lessen the chance of negative outcomes via infection and send a message of responsibility.

• safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it’s selfish.

Worst case is this winery becomes the credited source of an outbreak that becomes a big news story, causing the state to shut down tasting rooms state-wide. Selfish, reckless, egregious.

[Merrill_Lindquist]

I’m not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.

Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about ‘morals’ perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they’re not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won’t stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

Cheers.

You know what you want to do - why come here asking for “opinions” if you don’t want to consider them?

[Victor_Hong]

I’m not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.

What if Larry is also a customer, not just a competitor?
How would your logic process that?

[Paul_Luckin]

I believe that relationships within the community (winemaking) are important. Whether some one is wearing a mask or not at another winery, I would not consider my business.

winemaking, production, vineyard crews, hospitality, sales, marketing, transportation, etc: it’s all intertwined. we need to be undivided in the message of health and safety.

[Paul_Luckin]

In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.

if a winery has an owner and employees who purposely don’t wear masks, it hurts everyone else in a couple of ways:

• optics: regionally, and as an industry, not taking the most basic precautions with guests paints everyone in a bad light. we need to be united and on the same page when it comes to the health and safety of our guests, staff, and community at large. if everyone “plays by the rules” we lessen the chance of negative outcomes via infection and send a message of responsibility.

• safety: literally, this winery has decided the safety of their team and guests - who may go visit other wineries in a given area - is not a priority and they can be spreading infections due to this carelessness. why should Larry, or anyone else, need to host guests who may have been exposed to C-19 via the staff of a neighbor winery? it’s selfish.

Worst case is this winery becomes the credited source of an outbreak that becomes a big news story, causing the state to shut down tasting rooms state-wide. Selfish, reckless, egregious.

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[Victor_Hong]

Forget about it. No good can come of it.

I’m not doing tastings, and I am not policing what other wineries do. Business and life are tough enough without alienating your fellow wineries. Let a customer blow the whistle.

Merrill,

Again, you and I have different opinions about ‘morals’ perhaps - there are plenty of consumers out there who prefer to never wear masks, never social distance, etc. That is there prerogative. But businesses have been given regulations - they’re not difficult to follow, and if an owner out of arrogance refuses to do what they are supposed, possibly jeapordizing my ability to do so, I won’t stand for it, especially after communicating with them directly about this.

You look at this as possibly being negative on the wine community - I look at it as supporting the wine community and what we are all going through. Again, different ways of looking at this.

Cheers.

You know what you want to do - why come here asking for “opinions” if you don’t want to consider them?

Then, why present your authoritative “knowledge“, disclaim any first-hand experience to justify that “knowledge”, and finally ask why others will not uncritically accept it?

[Victor_Hong]

This debate has been like shooting fish in a sous vide bag.

[Andy_Steinman]

An alternate suggestion:

Reach out to your AVA Association and have your Executive Director contact the offending winery to politely remind them of the rules.

We are doing this as much as possible within the Willamette Valley.

This is also an issue with Social Media posts. An innocent photo at a winery posted on Facebook or Instagram with C-19 rules being ignored is an invitation to unwanted scrutiny.

To Paul’s point above, everyone is in this together and if there is a winery related outbreak it would reflect poorly on the entire industry.

[M1ke_S]

I wouldn’t do that either.

[Scott_Watkins]

I guess I’m simple minded, why post about it and not just report them to the authorities? Let them investigate. I think it would be the right thing to do in these times.

[Andy_Steinman]

I wouldn’t do that either.

Why?

It has been effective. The call is made from the perspective of: “reaching out to ensure you don’t get blindsided. There have been reports that…”

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

Forget about it. No good can come of it.

I am curious why you say this Please explain . . .

Explain more details of the infraction and I will explain my reasons (or perhaps change my mind!).

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Where is the line, Merrill?

Jay walking
Speeding
CD theft
Wine theft
Exposing the public to a very virulent and lethal health issue
Arson
Murder

[Victor_Hong]

Wine theft? Arson? Murder (by virus)?

[Dan_Hammer]

This is a situation where the owner of a winery and all of his employees refuse to wear masks in front of customers - and this is not an ‘occasional’ thing. They never wear them. This is not ignorance - they know the current regulations . . .

In my opinion, my INEXPERIENCED opinion, it is not hurting you. Let them hurt themselves. More is to be gained by having positive experiences with your fellow wineries. MY OPINION, which you asked for.

Just a wild guess and I’ll say this is happening in and around his tasting room.

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

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