Frozen

I pre-ordered some 1999 red Burgs on release 20 years ago and the container froze on the way out. We were offered a full refund or the wines at half price. I paid the half price and every bottles has been superb.

Cracked a 1999 Domaine Robert Groffier Bonnes Mares, Grand Cru from this stash last night. The cork was in excellent condition with no sighs of seepage. It was deep and penetrating, with a core of intense dark cherry fruit. It is a dense wine, with plenty of engaging nuance. There’ some smoked meats, pine needle sap, violets and brown spices. It is velvety and layered. There’s a line of minerally acidity and some tannic chew. It finishes with real authority and drives on. Still youthful but balanced and proportioned and very good.

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Interesting! Would you have done the same with heat?

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Nice long term experiment! Just being frozen shouldn’t hurt the wine, chemically. Only question I guess, is how far did the corks get pushed out? and then how good is the seal if you hammer them back in. I too have a few bottles that have gone through this, that I’m looking forward to trying at some point.

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No.

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I don’t reckon the corks were ever pushed out (if they were they were pushed back in before I received the wine), and the seal on this particular bottle was really good. Took a bit of leverage to extract the cork.

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Sounds like one heck of a slushy

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How about stuff falling out of solution? Years back a friend of mine experienced a setback with accidentally frozen wines, so what he did was get the same wines that were frozen and arrange a comparative blind tasting on them - however, not immediately but a few years after the accident.

I wasn’t there, so I can’t remember what the exact results were, but I remember him telling me that while some wines were pretty identical, there were some obvious differences with a few bottles. For example there was a ton of wine crystals in a frozen Sauternes that had also turned darker and you could taste that it had a noticeable reduction in acidity. A frozen left bank Bdx had developed a lot of sediment and while the appearance of the unfrozen bottle was youthful and opaque, the frozen wine looked more translucent and evolved. Also the unfrozen wine was still pretty tannic, whereas the frozen wine didn’t seem to have much tannins.

The overall conclusion of their tasting was that while some wines didn’t seem to suffer from being frozen, some did - in these cases the difference was noticeable and never beneficial to the wine. If you have frozen bottles, they should be consumed sooner rather than later, because freezing the wine might impact its aging curve quite badly.

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I guess it may depend on whether the wine was cold stabilised prior to bottling. If not, then there may be lots of solidsy things to precipitate out.

you’re getting older!

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I have frozen Krug rock solid by mistake in freezer.

I was shocked how fresh the wine presented the next day after thawing in fridge, with full complement of bubbles.

Maybe @Alan_Rath can explain that to me!…

Let it go, Matthew.

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Lucky the bottle stayed intact!

Not really a surprise, other than what Otto said about some tartrates possibly precipitating out, cooling/freezing only slows down any chemical reactions. Also, CO2 becomes more soluble as temperature decreases, so no problem there.

I have purposely frozen leftover wine a number times, and it’s always been just fine.

Interesting thread.

Does this work with freezing leftover champagne as well?

Champagne should be fine. Gases become more soluble at lower temperature, and gas pressure obviously goes down with temperature, so no great risk of too much pressure on the bottle. This assumes, of course, that enough liquid has been removed to eliminate the possibility of expansion from freezing that would crack the bottle. I’d never freeze an unopened bottle of wine or champagne, but one that is partially empty should be fine. Especially if tilted so the expansion is not restricted in any way.

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Thanks. 45degree angle? Does it matter what type of stopper used?

Joel, I confess I’ve never tried freezing champagne. Would be a fun experiment to freeze half a bottle, then unfreeze the next day and try.

I don’t have a fancy champagne stopper myself. I keep an assortment of stoppers from various spirits bottles, and can usually find one that is a nice snug seal for a champagne bottle.

No worries, just sounded like you had. I get pretty annoyed when I have less than half a bottle left of champagne as it always loses its bubbles by the second day, even with solid stoppers. The only one I haven’t splurged on is the Coravin for it. I’ll be curious to see if freezing helps anything and report back sometime.

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Freezing Champagne to keep its bubbles? Ummm, doesn’t really work.

:warning: WARNING: Unnecessarily lengthy post :warning:

See, gases become more soluble at lower temperature, yes, meaning that the cooler a sparkling wine becomes, the slower it releases its carbon dioxide. That’s why keeping a bubbly in the coldest corner of the fridge makes sense.

However, if you have never frozen carbonated beverages, there’s this one little caveat that prevents bubbles from staying in a frozen medium. See, carbon dioxide (that has been put in there by high pressure) escapes from liquid through nucleation points, which are typically tiny imperfections in the glass. However, the moment a liquid starts to freeze, you get a HUGE amount of nucleation points from the sharp little ice shards and suddenly the carbon dioxide starts to escape more rapidly from the beverage.

Furthermore, when the pressure goes down, the temperature goes down as well, due to auto-refrigeration*. Usually this isn’t a problem with opened sparkling wine bottles, as the change in pressure is so small that the temperature change is negligible - but it still doesn’t do anything to stop the formation of ice, which rapidly depletes the from any CO2. There’s theoretically nothing to keep CO2 from getting frozen along with the wine, but the fizz in the wine is something that is kept there under pressure and the nucleation points from ice make sure that any extra CO2 that might give you bubbles escape the wine before it gets fully frozen.

*The bigger problem with auto-refrigeration is with unopened sparkling wines that have been chilled in a freezer. As sparkling wine bottle gets cooler, its internal pressure goes down as the solubility of gases increase (due to how less and less CO2 wants to escape from the wine as it gets colder). However, as soon as the first ice crystals form, the internal temperature skyrockets as now there are tons of new nucleation points that facilitate CO2 escape - which suddenly becomes greater than the drop resulted from the increased gas solubility.

When you open the sparkling wine bottle, the internal pressure drops from around 5 to 7 bar to around 1 bar. If a wine is at this delicate point where it is is just around freezing point, this kind of drop is more than enough to bring down the temperature of the wine from around freezing point to well below freezing point, which creates an interesting runaway chain effect: the carbonation escapes violently from the few ice crystals in the wine, which drops the surrounding wine temperature, making it freeze more rapidly, making the carbonation escape from the wine more rapidly, freezing the wine more, pushing the carbonation more, etc.

Suddenly your seemingly liquid sparkling wine gushes out from the bottle in an instant and all that remains is about half of the wine in the bottle as a solid ice chunk. Have seen this happen once to a sparkling wine and multiple times to a soda bottle. These things can be quite commonplace as people put stuff outside to chill in the wintertime when it normally is -5 to -20°C (25 to-5 °F) around here.

If the sparkling wine bottle is not strong enough, usually the very first formation of ice crystals can be more than enough to raise the internal pressure so high that the sparkling wine bottle explodes at that point. Normally you don’t have to wait for the wine to freeze and the expanding ice to break the bottle - it’d be much easier to just collect the broken pieces of glass and put the frozen wine chunk into the sink to that. No, normally the bottle explodes when 99,9% of the wine is still liquid, spraying the insides of a freezer with wine, making the cleaning process much more arduous! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I’m definitely drafting Otto before Bill Nye in my Science club

Good warning!