is Nuits les SAINT GEORGES worthy of grand cru status?

[MChang]

I can’t agree with considering Barthod next to Mugnier and Roumier and thinking that’s what should elevate another Chambolle 1er cru to grand cru status.

This summer a few of us did a blind Roumier vs. Mugnier dinner. Someone brought a 2010 Barthod 1er as a ringer and we all called it as a disappointing bottle of Roumier

Yeah we all know you don’t care for barthod for whatever reason. I’ve done quite a few roumier and barthod cras blind head to heads and most ppl preferred the barthod version (most recently 09 and 13) but ymmv.

Thinking Barthod’s wines are significantly below Roumier’s in quality is not an unusual position; given where the market is, I’d say it’s very much in the majority.

Price certainly has some correlation with quality, but so much of that is tradition and history. I haven’t been impressed with Roumier at all in recent years, and certainly not for the price the wine currently commands. Mugnier is another story. Even looking at the plain village wines, here are the current prices (just a quick look at WS pro) Roumier $275, Mugnier $225, Vogue $185, Barthod $99. It’s hard to assess the wines at such a young age but my general recollections on them are that I’m not sure I think the Roumier was any better at all than the Barthod, which was a fantastic wine, much less at 3x the price.

[Greg_K]

Yeah we all know you don’t care for barthod for whatever reason. I’ve done quite a few roumier and barthod cras blind head to heads and most ppl preferred the barthod version (most recently 09 and 13) but ymmv.

Thinking Barthod’s wines are significantly below Roumier’s in quality is not an unusual position; given where the market is, I’d say it’s very much in the majority.

Price certainly has some correlation with quality, but so much of that is tradition and history. I haven’t been impressed with Roumier at all in recent years, and certainly not for the price the wine currently commands. Mugnier is another story. Even looking at the plain village wines, here are the current prices (just a quick look at WS pro) Roumier $275, Mugnier $225, Vogue $185, Barthod $99. It’s hard to assess the wines at such a young age but my general recollections on them are that I’m not sure I think the Roumier was any better at all than the Barthod, which was a fantastic wine, much less at 3x the price.

I certainly agree traditionally Barthod’s wines have not been as good as Roumier, and in my view nothing has changed. If you like Barthod’s wines, that’s great, but my view is also in no way unusual.

[Claus_Jeppesen]

IMO LSG is not even the best NSG 1er Cru. But maybe it was back then when Gouges was mayor

[Robert_Sand]

dear Howard,

You did not understand me. Nuits solely has no grand cru because mayor GOUGES did not partcipate in the procedure at the time. -Otherwise LES SAINT GEORGES would have been grand cru. That is not he case in SANTENAY… PLEASE!!!
SINCERELY JOHAN

If LSG would be GC there would be the same kind of discussion as with Clos Vougeot, Echezeaux, Charmes Chambertin, Corton … WHY GC, why the whole vineyard, is Vaucrins better etc. …
imho LSG is lacking a certain something for GC: finesse

[Gaudissabois_Johan]

friends,

Anyone having had any experience with CHICOTOT’s version of LES SAINT GEORGES?
SINCERELY JOHAN

[A_Songeur]

Michel Bettane loves Chicotot wines.