J J Prum: the last great wine house priced reasonably.

[Andrew_K]

Only problem is that there is so little to go around and the secret is out.

Yep. I got allocated a measly single bottle of a few from Flatiron. Hardly worth the postage.

[J_Rock]

I’m definitely noticing the effect of tariffs this year, and I’m sure the lower yields don’t yelp, but German Riesling is still a great value (at least from what I’ve seen of my usual suspects [Haag, Lieser, Schaefer, Zilliken, and Donnhoff)]).

[Tom_G_l_a_s_g_o_w]

So if you bought 6 cases in a bad year, average 10 cases in the others and had the 64 from the good year that’s over 3,000 bottles of Prum.

Is there anything for sale in your neighborhood?

Not necessarily Prum, German wine.

[Robert_Dentice]

David, what percentage of your cellar is German Riesling? (I think I’m around 20%.)

For David I would guess 30.3%

[Howard_Cooper]

No. Panzer told me he isn’t getting Zilliken anymore since they’re being imported by Loosen Bros. now. Haven’t seen Schloss Lieser anywhere.

I’ve ordered Max Ferd Richter, Falkenstein, JJ Prum, Willi Schaefer (awaiting confirmation), and Vollenweider (awaiting confirmation).

Since Schloss Lieser is now imported by Skurnik Schloss Lieser - Skurnik Wines & Spirits I would think they would be easier to find. Distribution in this country of German wines has really gotten messed up the last couple of years.

Indeed.

I haven’t made an honest attempt to look to see who has the 2019s, since I’ve allocated my “budget” elsewhere. A couple 2016 Schloss Lieser Kabinett in the next couple weeks may change that.

Try a 2010 GKA from him and you will spend a lot of your time searching out his wines.

[Howard_Cooper]

I just pulled the trigger on the 19 Prum WS Kab and Spat at Wine Cellarage.

Prices are up about 40% since 15. So taking out tariffs a 15% increase isn’t much.

Von Schubert and Schaefer are also very reasonable considering the track record. And Falkenstein is still stupid cheap even with tariffs and shrinking allocations.

With all the Falkenstein allocations of various casks split up all across the city/country, it’s ridiculous how many different retailers I’ve had to use to cobble together a collection of the different cuvees I wanted.

Same. Plus I will be making a trip to Boston at some point this fall to collect the spoils!

Picked up my Falkenstein case today.

[Brian_S_t_o_t_t_e_r]

Since Schloss Lieser is now imported by Skurnik Schloss Lieser - Skurnik Wines & Spirits I would think they would be easier to find. Distribution in this country of German wines has really gotten messed up the last couple of years.

Indeed.

I haven’t made an honest attempt to look to see who has the 2019s, since I’ve allocated my “budget” elsewhere. A couple 2016 Schloss Lieser Kabinett in the next couple weeks may change that.

Try a 2010 GKA from him and you will spend a lot of your time searching out his wines.

Trade for my 2016 S-L Doctor GG?

[Howard_Cooper]

Indeed.

I haven’t made an honest attempt to look to see who has the 2019s, since I’ve allocated my “budget” elsewhere. A couple 2016 Schloss Lieser Kabinett in the next couple weeks may change that.

Try a 2010 GKA from him and you will spend a lot of your time searching out his wines.

Trade for my 2016 S-L Doctor GG?

I am not a GG kind of person.

[Jayson_Cohen]

Same. Plus I will be making a trip to Boston at some point this fall to collect the spoils!

Uhhh grab some more auslese. You know, for the rest of us.

It’s interesting that the Auslese, which is younger vines, does not seem to be as highly sought. I got 3 bottles. Probably not even close to enough. But I have a lot of Auslese in the cellar to drink including a good amount of Prum.

[Jayson_Cohen]

Only problem is that there is so little to go around and the secret is out.

Yep. I got allocated a measly single bottle of a few from Flatiron. Hardly worth the postage.

They were way oversubscribed. (You saw their total allocation I assume.) Clara did her best. I only tried for 2 wines and got only one of them.

[Jayson_Cohen]

With all the Falkenstein allocations of various casks split up all across the city/country, it’s ridiculous how many different retailers I’ve had to use to cobble together a collection of the different cuvees I wanted.

Same. Plus I will be making a trip to Boston at some point this fall to collect the spoils!

Picked up my Falkenstein case today.

In DC? (I talked to Phil this morning if that’s the place.)

[DanielP]

Same. Plus I will be making a trip to Boston at some point this fall to collect the spoils!

Uhhh grab some more auslese. You know, for the rest of us.

It’s interesting that the Auslese, which is younger vines, does not seem to be as highly sought. I got 3 bottles. Probably not even close to enough. But I have a lot of Auslese in the cellar to drink including a good amount of Prum.

It’s just the one of the bottlings (in addition to alte reben kabi) that have been really hard for me to source. As for #8, well let’s just say I’ll be making a roadtrip to DC.

And yeah, Flatiron has been way oversubscribed for awhile. It’s hilarious that the 3 bottles of 2015 euchariusberg kabi i was allocated back then was only 18 bucks.

[Howard_Cooper]

Same. Plus I will be making a trip to Boston at some point this fall to collect the spoils!

Picked up my Falkenstein case today.

In DC? (I talked to Phil this morning if that’s the place.)

Yep. Got them Tuesday. Picked them up today. Phil is great and really knows his German wines.

[David_Bu3ker]

Let’s put it this way, in the last 22 vintages I have bought a low of 6 cases and a high of 64.

For yourself? What is your current inventory of Riesling?

64 cases in one vintage is more than two bottles of riesling for every day of the year.

Current Riesling inventory is about 1500 bottles. Used to be higher.

[Pau1_M3nk3s]

Let’s put it this way, in the last 22 vintages I have bought a low of 6 cases and a high of 64.

For yourself? What is your current inventory of Riesling?

64 cases in one vintage is more than two bottles of riesling for every day of the year.

Fortunately, he’s likely not intending to drink them all in one year!

At <10% abv, why not?

[Chris_Seiber]

Let’s put it this way, in the last 22 vintages I have bought a low of 6 cases and a high of 64.

For yourself? What is your current inventory of Riesling?

64 cases in one vintage is more than two bottles of riesling for every day of the year.

Current Riesling inventory is about 1500 bottles. Used to be higher.

Much respect!

You should buy Lotus of Siam and move in.

[David_Bu3ker]

David, what percentage of your cellar is German Riesling? (I think I’m around 20%.)

It hovers between 35 and 40%. It used to be 50%, but then I started buying Burgundy in quantity, as well as Bedrock!

[Marshall_Manning]

From what Rob Panzer and others have told me, winemaking style is unchanged at JJ Prum since Katharina took over. How climate change may affect their longevity may be the bigger question.

I think Katharina has been primarily making the wines since around 2005-6, so yeah, they are just fine.

[Thomas_Keim]

I love Falkenstein and bought a shed load of 2019s (and before). But they don’t have the track record of Prum, who does consistently? Egon but you can’t call that reasonably priced.

Maximin Grunhaus - and maybe one notch behind, Fritz Haag -

[RyanC]

I love Falkenstein and bought a shed load of 2019s (and before). But they don’t have the track record of Prum, who does consistently? Egon but you can’t call that reasonably priced.

Maximin Grunhaus - and maybe one notch behind, Fritz Haag -

Maximin Grunhaus is a great call. I’ve had some old M-G wines that blew me away.

It’s a name not often mentioned with the upper echelon, but I also really like Reinhold Haart as a winemaker with a longer track record. The wines are silly cheap for the quality. Several years ago, I picked up six of his '01 Piesporter Goldtröpfchen Spätlese for something like $35/btl. Each has been absolutely spellbinding (I think I have one left), and I’ve very much enjoyed his younger wines. I’m not enough of an expert in German wine or Haart specifically to know anything about how the winemaking has changed (if at all) over the years, but I know enough to know that if the current vintages age anything like the '01, they will be stupid bargains.