just a comment about Bordeaux value, and children future value

[Jeff_Leve]

This old palate made a point of tasting Cru Bourgeois and others when I was in Bordeaux. The wines I mentioned were stand outs; clearly

Mark, note the “When I was in Bordeaux” in your post. How many years ago was that? Things have changed. New owners and competition has caused a plethora of vineyards to start producing much better wine in the Haut Medoc and the Medoc. Many of these wines were not familiar to me before Covid. But I have been tasting them lately and several are worth discovering for you, Alfret and other seeking delicious Left and Right Bank value wines.

[Jeff_Leve]

In fact, my last few trips to Bordeaux were disappointing, as the honest wines I had liked such as Poujeaux and Lanessan were clearly changing, so while I am happy to taste your recommended wines, I seriously doubt that they will give me much pleasure.

And a damn shame to see these classic stalwarts change. Along with so many others.

Oh, stop crying in your wine. Progress is a good thing Honestly, there are others to take their place. You should really peruse my 2018 in-bottle reports from Medoc and Haut Medoc. Loads of wines even you will like …

[Robert.A.Jr]

I posted one of those above, Jeffois. Chateau Lamarque.

[Jeff_Leve]

I posted one of those above, Jeffois. Chateau Lamarque.

I saw that. As you know I like their wine. But there are numerous other estates I like that I think you would enjoy and they sell for a song!

[Warren_Taranow]

We just had a Talbot 1986 last week . What a joy , we all loved it

Herwig,
That’s such a great wine!
Cheers,
Warren

[Mark_Golodetz]

In fact, my last few trips to Bordeaux were disappointing, as the honest wines I had liked such as Poujeaux and Lanessan were clearly changing, so while I am happy to taste your recommended wines, I seriously doubt that they will give me much pleasure.

And a damn shame to see these classic stalwarts change. Along with so many others.

Oh, stop crying in your wine. Progress is a good thing Honestly, there are others to take their place. You should really peruse my 2018 in-bottle reports from Medoc and Haut Medoc. Loads of wines even you will like …

How can it be progress if you like the wine.

[Mark_Golodetz]

I was last in Bordeaux in 2015 tasting 2014. UGC tastings, the occasional winemaker showing new vintages and my wine groups getting together to taste keeps me up to date for a few wines, but sadly it means that I do miss quite a bit.

[Tomas_Costa]

[John_Telford]

First thank you all for the comments, so valuable. I was not trying to be controversial (although I am a AFWE). I was simply compelled to state “What a joy” to pull from the cellar a beautiful wine, not because I paid a fortune or because someone else rated it, an find it delicious. I was compelled to post because sometimes we all lose the “this is what wine is all about”. In a world where scores and “how much did it cost” seem to be drivers…I was reminded of simple pleasure. I hope my children have that experience.

[John_Telford]

Sadly, Siran flipped to the dark-side as well. The 2015 was touted on BWE but I found it much too glossy.

The 2016 Chasse Spleen is a deal. Snag it up.

Robert interesting your comment about Chasse Spleen 16 (I don’t doubt you), however I had one of those very shortly after release and I remember thinking it was one big wine (which of course does not in and of itself mean much but it certainly has lots of stuffing).

Here is Leve’s 88-point rating:

Quite bright, this medium/full bodied, fresh, sharp, crisp, cassis and cranberry filled wine is made for lovers of older, classically styled Bordeaux. The wine leans to the cedar, tobacco leaf and piquant red fruit oriented side of the style range.
Read more at:> Learn about Chasse Spleen Haut Medoc Moulis, Complete Guide

Sounds delish, no?. Add 2-3 points for an Alfert scoring here.

By the way I owe Robert an apology…IT was the Meyney that I found very big and was confused as to the “new style”. I recorded in my notes, being sorry that the “old Meyney” may be not longer. Sorry Robert

[JDavisRoby]

Does RTP have a system for the future value of children?

Too soon?


In all seriousness this is a big part of my wine journey. Hoping my kids get to inherit the wine collection that my friends were able to inherit from their parents. Been awesome to share in old wines with them.

[Brian_Glas]

Absolutely loved the 1996 Lanessan. Wine Exchange was frequently offering in the early 2000s for $12.99 or $13.99 a bottle. I think I ended up buying 3 cases of the stuff. I still have 3 left. Enjoyed a bottle last year and it was still going strong.

[Arv_R]

@Mark_Golodetz

The number of sub $30 Bordeaux with aging potential has basically been disappearing, although there are a few minor exceptions left. Greysac, Loudenne, Siran, Chasse Spleen, Potensac, Poujeaux and Lanessan although the latter three are making modern wines.

At age 24 the 2000 Chasse Spleen [Moulis] continues to develop effortlessly, and should please cabernet fans. Medium bodied, elegant in style, cedar on the nose, and red fruits on the palate. For my taste, better on the second night open. Tannins are resolved, acid is still here, but fine without food, and plenty of classical character. The earth, the scorch should be easy to place as Bordeaux when tasted blind, even if the specific AOC would be tricky. A- on my scorecard.

[Karl_K]

Nice color

[Dan_Kravitz]

Just saw this, surprised that 2001 Lanessan is on the downside.

About five years ago, I bought most of a case of 1975 at auction for very little money. The first few were fine, I’m holding my last four bottles until next year, I like drinking 50 year old Cru Bourgeois. A couple of years back I posted on the 1966, going strong at 55 years, IIRC a little better than the 1975.

You want your kids to have the same experience and bargains? You can still get 2015 - 2020 Lanessan for about twenty bucks, cheaper (after inflation) than what you paid for the '01.

Dan Kravitz