long term effects of using listerine on palate?

WINE TALK
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I assume using Listerine right before tasting wine would be a disaster, but I’m curious whether daily use in the morning could have long term effects on one’s palate. (Cue jokes re: aussie shiraz).

Thoughts?

-Warren

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I’ve been wondering about this as well. I currently have to use it because of some dental stuff I have going on. It does hurt a bit, which makes me wonder if some kind of actual damage is being done. I wonder if it’s just the alcohol content, or if there are other things in there that intensify the burn.

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While it probably makes sense from a dental hygiene viewpoint, it is a very bad idea from an organoleptical point of view. Long term effects include a certain numbing of the taste buds and loss of overall sensitivity of the inside of the mouth.

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Reference?

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Bigger question is whether using it is “minimal intervention”

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Now, John…quit trying to [stirthepothal.gif]

I have no idea about long-term effects of Listerine usage on one’s palate. But I do know that brushing one’s teeth
within several hrs of tasting wines can be disastarous. Unless you use something light/innocuous/bland to cleanse the
palate…like CoorsLite.
When I teach my wine appreciation class, I always ask for a show of hands first class by my students on who brushed
their teeth right before class. I always get a near unanimous showing from the students, their smiles bright &
shining…sure that they’ve pleased their learned instructor. I then launch into my diatribe admonishing them to forget
good dental hygiene until after the class.
Tom

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I told my dentist that my pallet felt weird and dull after some daily use. She recommended I stop using it all but once in a while, brush and floss regularly is what she reccomended.

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Makayla is impressed with this post

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LOLLLL

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Good work, very funny

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Personal experience, then checked with dentist who confirmed that he had other clients complain about how listerine seemed to dull their taste. While one probably learns to “compensate” for it -smokers like to claim a similar scenario- I steer clear of the stuff these days and use an electrical brush instead.

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I’'ve been using the generic equivalent for years, in the morning and at night, and have not noticed any effects whatsoever, except that I haven’t had any cavities in maybe 12 years or so - too long for me to really remember.

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Warren, using any laboratory produced chemical of the surface of our skin or any body part is not a good idea. Not only is it absorbed into the body and thus requires being addressed and processed, it is harmful to the outer cells and over time can destroy the integrity of these cells. Obviously, our tongue/ palate is significantly jaded/ altered and our olfactory and taste sensations are effected. Not good for wine and food tasting. See the following:

“2008 in the Australian Dental Journal concluded that:
There is now sufficient evidence to accept the proposition that developing oral cancer is increased or contributed to by the use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes. Whilst many of these products may have been shown to be effective in penetrating oral microbial biofilms in vitro and reducing oral bacterial load, it would be wise to restrict their use to short-term therapeutic situations if needed. Perhaps the use of mouthwashes that do not contain alcohol may be equally effective. Further, mouthrinses should be prescribed by dentists, like any other medication. There may well be a reason for the use of alcohol-containing mouthrinses, but only for a particular situation and for a limited and controlled period of time. As such, patients should be provided with written instructions for mouthwash use, and mouthwash use should be restricted to adults for short durations and specific, clearly defined reasons. It is the opinion of the authors that, in light of the evidence currently available of the association of alcohol-containing mouthwashes with the development of oral cancer, it would be inadvisable for oral healthcare professionals to recommend the long-term use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes.”

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Listerine appears to be 26% ABV. If you drink spirits at all, I can’t see the difference. (I do gargle with Highland Park occasionally.)

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+1

Absolutely!
If you are worried about just rinsing with this, you should probably cease drinking alcohol too. If some individuals are sensitive to any of the ingredients and are having problems, then they should certainly discontinue use of the product, but I have recommended Listerine to many patients, who I thought could benefit from it, for years. While only anecdotal, and certainly not scientific, I have not had anyone report untoward effects.

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PS While in dental school I had a patient who on each visit would request multiple cupfuls of Lavoris. He said our materials put a bad taste in his mouth. Horrible stuff but we noticed he didn’t spit it out after rinsing and he always left the clinic happy!

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Oliver, this is just a FYI only. Beyond that, it`s all a choice.

The difference is Listerine contains: Alcohol, Sorbitol, Aroma, Poloxamer 407, Benzoic acid, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium saccharin, Eucalyptol, Methyl salicylate, Thymol, Menthol, Sodium fluoride, CI 42053, CI 47005

Additional info: "Long-term use of alcohol-containing mouthwashes dries and changes the pH of the mouth and throat and is associated with an increased risk of mouth and throat cancers. If a mouthwash contains a harsh detergent like cocamidopropyl betaine, this compounds the damage. Listerine contains a slightly milder detergent, Poloxamer 407, but its unique qualities – being soluble in liquids at low temperature, but turning into a gel at higher temperatures (ie body temperature) – makes it a film former, keeping other toxic ingredients on the surface of the mouth for longer.

Mouthwashes also commonly contain fluoride, a systemic poison, and this product is no exception. It contains both sorbitol and more worryingly saccharin, which causes bladder cancer in animals.

Finally there are synthetic colours, aromas and flavourings. Flavourings and aromas are basically perfumes. At best they mask odour temporarily; and since they are composed of volatile solvents, they can also alter the basic flora of the mouth in the same way as alcohol and may cause dermatitis around the mouth. Combinations of several strong flavourings may be particularly irritating, and methyl salicylate (oil of wintergreen), eucalyptol (oil of eucalyptus) and thymol – even if they are naturally derived – are also highly toxic. Just 10ml of methyl salicylate can poison a child; 30ml can poison an adult."

It is a choice we have as to what we put into our body which is organic and must defend and eliminate all inorganic substances, a liver function. I choose to do all I can to support a healthy body and including my liver.

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Ethanol is also broken down by the liver into acetaldehyde, also toxic in sufficient quantities. A glass or two probably doesn’t cause problems, but more than that could be problematic for some people. SO2 is present in to some degree in all bottles of wine and what about chemicals used to clean and sanitize oak barrels and wine making equipment. Also, grapes aren’t washed before fermentation so could have some level of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides. No one knows what role any of these things could play in allergies or sensitivities, but what we do know is that different people react differently to the same substances. In the final analysis wine contains things that might be bad for certain people in certain quantities, so everyone does have to make their own decision on what they consider ill advised to consume.

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I told my dentist that my pallet felt weird and dull after some daily use.

Gotta get some accessories to liven things up.
http://www.advanced-handling.co.uk/department/new_hi-lo_pallet_racking_accessories/

Or hell, just get a new hi-lo.

But if you’re worried about using Listerine daily, then stop using it. It has alcohol, sugars, salts and whatever, and it tastes like crap, although not nearly as bad as this wine I’m drinking right now (another Garagiste disaster).

I’m not a dentist or oral surgeon, but seems if you brush several times a day, especially before going to bed, and floss daily, also before going to bed, you’ll be OK. Brushing first thing in the morning and going to bed filthy probably isn’t as effective. Listerine is designed to taste so bad so you think it’s doing something good for you, but I’m not sure that it really does anything critical.