You can choose one hectare from any vineyard in Germany...which one would you go for?

[A_Gillette]

Unless the answer is different than last time I discussed this topic with him, and he is now leaning Keller’s abts erde or g-max vineyard, I’m pretty sure his answer is Abtsberg. John?

Of course. Except G-max isn’t a vineyard.

I thought it was made from a vineyard whose name I’m too lazy to look up.

I don’t follow how that relates to the thread. You thought the wine was made from a vineyard? As opposed to grapes from vines in the garden in front of his home?

[David_Bu3ker]

Doesn’t G-Max come from the Westhofener Unobtainium vineyard?

[A_Gillette]

Doesn’t G-Max come from the Westhofener Unobtainium vineyard?

Yes - is in the rheinhessen, which unlike Ruwer is not part of Mosel.

[David_Bu3ker]

Doesn’t G-Max come from the Westhofener Unobtainium vineyard?

Yes - is in the rheinhessen, which unlike Ruwer is not part of Mosel.

[Jayson_Cohen]

Maximin Grünhäuser Abtsberg. For me, the top vineyard in the Mosel.
Alex

Of course. Except I’d say it’s in the Ruwer.

What is the greatest Riesling vineyard? - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

Since 2007 Mosel, Saar and Ruwer are now all legally referred to as “Mosel”.

Mistakes are made. By the German wine authorities, many over the years.

[David_Bu3ker]

Of course. Except I’d say it’s in the Ruwer.

What is the greatest Riesling vineyard? - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

Since 2007 Mosel, Saar and Ruwer are now all legally referred to as “Mosel”.

Mistakes are made. By the German wine authorities, many over the years.

And they continue to make them.

[K_N_Haque]

Well, not playing really by the rules, but I’d take the Merkelbach’s 1 hectare, which is the entire estate and I’d stipulate that whoever makes the wines in the future has to keep them as they are.

My other answer: part of the Pündericher Marienburg, maybe Falkenlay.

[J_a_y_H_a_c_k]

And then there’s Saarburger Rausch. We were there just when they were picking the vineyards and when you walk around the roundabout between the bridge and the center of town, you can stick out your hand and taste the grapes without ever leaving the sidewalk. I think this is it.
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[Doug_Sher]

It’s only recently that I have begun to immerse myself, so I am not experienced enough to make a really informed decision. I did ask John Gilman, who has the experience and palate necessary, and I hope he will chip in later. There are, however, plenty of people here who have been drinking and digging into the wines, who can make an informed choice.

Unless the answer is different than last time I discussed this topic with him, and he is now leaning Keller’s abts erde or g-max vineyard, I’m pretty sure his answer is Abtsberg. John?

I’m waiting for Lars or Martin to chime in. The source of the G-Max vineyard is unknown and probably changes from year to year. The last time it was announced it was Morstein. Tourists then started coming to the vineyard and cutting grapes off of the vines so they stopped revealing the source. My original response was Morstein as it seems to merit higher pricing than Abts Erde.

I’ll add Krettnacher Euchariusberg as I love the Falkenstein wines.

[Jayson_Cohen]

It’s only recently that I have begun to immerse myself, so I am not experienced enough to make a really informed decision. I did ask John Gilman, who has the experience and palate necessary, and I hope he will chip in later. There are, however, plenty of people here who have been drinking and digging into the wines, who can make an informed choice.

Unless the answer is different than last time I discussed this topic with him, and he is now leaning Keller’s abts erde or g-max vineyard, I’m pretty sure his answer is Abtsberg. John?

I’m waiting for Lars or Martin to chime in. The source of the G-Max vineyard is unknown and probably changes from year to year. The last time it was announced it was Morstein. Tourists then started coming to the vineyard and cutting grapes off of the vines so they stopped revealing the source. My original response was Morstein as it seems to merit higher pricing than Abts Erde.

I’ll add Krettnacher Euchariusberg as I love the Falkenstein wines.

No doubt Großschock is a special portion of Euchariusberg.

[J_Slawney]

Either Schlossberg (between Assmannshausen and Rüdesheim in Rheingau) or Kirchenstuck (outside Forst in the Pflalz).

[Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m]

Longuicher Maximiner Herrenberg

[Martin_Zwick]

I would go for MORSTEIN


BTW guys, the estate Keller has never ever communicated to which vineyard the G-Max belongs. At the end of the day it is all speculation.

Fair to say the G-Max belongs to a plot with the best (!) limestone soil.

[Howard_Cooper]

And then there’s Saarburger Rausch. We were there just when they were picking the vineyards and when you walk around the roundabout between the bridge and the center of town, you can stick out your hand and taste the grapes without ever leaving the sidewalk. I think this is it.
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When you were at Saarburger Rausch did you taste at Zilliken?

[David_Bu3ker]

Longuicher Maximiner Herrenberg

Not a bad choice. 120+ year old ungrafted vines.

[Kirk.Grant]

Either Schlossberg (between Assmannshausen and Rüdesheim in Rheingau) or Kirchenstuck (outside Forst in the Pflalz).

I’m surprised it took two pages to get to Kirchenstuck. That’s certainly in my top 3.

I would choose Brunnenhäuschen & then I’d ask KPK to make wine with whatever plot I have.

[Martin_Zwick]

Either Schlossberg (between Assmannshausen and Rüdesheim in Rheingau) or Kirchenstuck (outside Forst in the Pflalz).

I’m surprised it took two pages to get to Kirchenstuck. That’s certainly in my top 3.

That‘s true. Kirchenstück is also in my Top 3

[Jayson_Cohen]

Maybe the fairer question would have been: pick one hectare with slate subsoil and one with limestone.

[J_a_y_H_a_c_k]

And then there’s Saarburger Rausch. We were there just when they were picking the vineyards and when you walk around the roundabout between the bridge and the center of town, you can stick out your hand and taste the grapes without ever leaving the sidewalk. I think this is it.
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When you were at Saarburger Rausch did you taste at Zilliken?

No! We were 2 blocks from their location and didn’t realize where they were. I found out a few days later.

[J_Slawney]

Either Schlossberg (between Assmannshausen and Rüdesheim in Rheingau) or Kirchenstuck (outside Forst in the Pflalz).

I’m surprised it took two pages to get to Kirchenstuck. That’s certainly in my top 3.

Hey, it is in my top 2. For the King of Bavaria in 1828 Kirschenstück scored the maximum number of points (65) in the soil survey and was rated the best vineyard (yes, #1) in Germany. With Schlossberg, I hike past that vineyard nearly every weekend. Given 1 hectare and all the time in the world, I wager I could make better wine on that steep slope of mineral sun exposure than the winemakers that already have plots there: Breuer, Leitz, Kessler… Serious untapped potential. As for the secret G-Max plot, I think KPK is doing wonders with that already…